Agreed one hundred percent![up] I never play the grinding style, I do my own thing When I want to, How I want to and Where I want to.
Not saying that there isn't some ironing to do in most areas of the game
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Agreed one hundred percent![up] I never play the grinding style, I do my own thing When I want to, How I want to and Where I want to.
Not saying that there isn't some ironing to do in most areas of the game
No kinetic damage?
What damage do they do then, if any?
If you think something is wrong just report it.
That will help the game and all of us.
The devs take that serious and will look into it.
They do not deserve this kind of childish sarcasm.
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All thermal. It's in the patch notes and I have to admit I thought it was a step too far myself.
The description of incendiary rounds used to be (haven't checked it since 2.2 arrived) 'Modified ammo system capable of delivering superheated rounds, increasing damage and converting a large portion to thermal.' (emphasis added) A 'large portion' is not 'all', I think most of us would recognise it as meaning 'most'.
From the patch notes: (again, emphasis added)
- Slight reduction to the effectiveness of Incendiary rounds for Multicannons:
- Remove the hidden 20% kinetic damage that was left over
- Reduce the fire rate penalty from -10% to -5%
- Net effect is that the DPS has gone down by 4% vs shields and 15% vs hull (if unmodified), leaving the weapon strong but a slightly clearer tradeoff.
Personally, I don't consider 15% and 'slight' as belonging in the same sentence. VAT used to be 15% when I was a kid, I don't recall anyone saying it only made things slightly more expensive...
For all the guys talking about tone just to put a few things out there:
1) This is a developer run forum, they have no obligations to put anything up for us to use.
2) They don't stifle criticism like other big AAA developers that delete anything negative, looking at you Ubisoft.
3) They never promised to act on any feedback. Technically you bought the game and get updates as and when the Devs decide, end of story. The fact they listen, make changes etc based on our comments and ideas is great. Sure it's a good business practice to listen to customers but other big game developers don't and still do ok.
4) The developers get paid to develop a game not take veiled or direct insults or attitude from players. Only the community managers technically get paid for that but then again as above they are not obliged to care if they don't wish to.
5) Lots of Devs come on the forums at either ungodly hours when updating servers etc (I've seen devs posting at 11pm local time), or they come on in their free time at home because they love the game and the community. Again why should they spend their time when someone can't at least be courteous.
That having been said this post OP is really not that bad. England pretty much lives in a state of sarcasm so it kinda fits and I doubt offence would be taken, but there are threads where every 2nd word is blanked by the swear filter and it takes a PHD in cryptography to work out what the OP is complaining about.
In any case my comment would be that they are more effective than useless, it's a fairly substantial nerf but they were fairly overpowered compared with other weapon mods. If you follow the META expect it to be nerfed. Anything that sticks its nose out at the top is looking to be prodded by the developers at some point or another.
1) This is a developer run forum, they have no obligations to put anything up for us to use.
2) They don't stifle criticism like other big AAA developers that delete anything negative, looking at you Ubisoft.
3) They never promised to act on any feedback. Technically you bought the game and get updates as and when the Devs decide, end of story. The fact they listen, make changes etc based on our comments and ideas is great. Sure it's a good business practice to listen to customers but other big game developers don't and still do ok.
4) The developers get paid to develop a game not take veiled or direct insults or attitude from players. Only the community managers technically get paid for that but then again as above they are not obliged to care if they don't wish to.
5) Lots of Devs come on the forums at either ungodly hours when updating servers etc (I've seen devs posting at 11pm local time), or they come on in their free time at home because they love the game and the community. Again why should they spend their time when someone can't at least be courteous.
That having been said this post OP is really not that bad. England pretty much lives in a state of sarcasm so it kinda fits and I doubt offence would be taken, but there are threads where every 2nd word is blanked by the swear filter and it takes a PHD in cryptography to work out what the OP is complaining about.
In any case my comment would be that they are more effective than useless, it's a fairly substantial nerf but they were fairly overpowered compared with other weapon mods. If you follow the META expect it to be nerfed. Anything that sticks its nose out at the top is looking to be prodded by the developers at some point or another.
I think we don't as much have a problem with the sarcasm as we do with the whole non-constructiveness of the post.
Multicannons are still great. My triple MC Courier is as fun to fly as she was in 2.1 so I really don't see the point.
Multicannons are still great. My triple MC Courier is as fun to fly as she was in 2.1 so I really don't see the point.
Incorrect. Taking a childish tone is what's childish. Not tolerating childish tones promotes maturity and patience, rather than promoting yet more childishness, so in fact it's not childish in the slightest.
Keep in mind that most cases of "childish tone" are also in fact invalid and based upon all sorts of highly mistaken & mis/uninformed kneejerk reactions....
If he does not know who Sandro is, I doubt that he has the background for any informed discussion.
And ignoring rants is the only way to handle them. Not to mention that once again, there is neither any real information included in the OP, nor any evidence (of course).
Nice Red Herring.
I don't need to know the particular person at FDev whom you speak of. Why? Because it is completely irrelevant to the behavior discussed. I don't need to know who your childhood hero was, either. I also don't need to know what High School the CEO's son goes to.
If a valid bug is found in software, but the developer refuses to fix it because the tone of the bug report wasn't respectful enough, it's the developer who is being petulant. Why? Because bugs don't just impact the person who files the report. So refusing to fix it because of "tone" of one affected customer in spite of all the other customers affected is wrong. "I would have fixed that bug for you guys, but the person who reported it was a meanie." That isn't a professional attitude, or a responsible one. I'd also wonder where the pride was to make their product the best it could be, if bruised feelings were enough to stall improvement.
Cool the arrogance next time.
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The problem is, that OP didn't report anything. He just wrote an offensive post aimed at devs.
In this case it may not matter. My comment is on the matter in general of refusing to fix legitimate, identifiable bugs because of the tone of the person reporting it. I'm surprised anyone would defend such behavior.
Even justified complaint can be made in civilized manner. Should be made in civilized manner, in fact. Otherwise we're back in stone age in no time.
Sure. Can be, should be, but does that give rise to justifying complete inaction when they aren't? Despite the obvious fact that other customers are obviously affected as well?
Customers who may not do "forums," or "bug reports" or any other extra activity other than using your product as you intended them to use it don't deserve to suffer because someone willing to file a bug report didn't meet some arbitrary requirement of civil discourse.
Prioritize polite and clear bug reports, but don't refuse to fix things entirely. That's not a defensible position, regardless of profession.
The real question here is: did you ever file a bug report?
I am probably biased in this matter and I see I won't convince you.
I run a small business, where politeness is key. If I get a rude customer, then no matter how reasonable their demand is, they are shown the door without service. That's how I see it.
Every person has a right to refuse unpleasant social interaction. It is even in the law. It doesn't matter in which social or business relationship the two subjects are.
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He's the lead designer (I believe) FYI, really cool guy, takes the time to go on livestreams and get into discussions with the community. See my post before about why he really doesn't have to give a rats if he doesn't want to. But he does and that makes him awesome.
Ok let me put it to you this way, if the bug is serious enough other people will report it that it doesn't matter if the Developers don't bother with the posts that have every other word swear filtered, again similar point they don't get paid to deal with those people.
This is not a bug. This is a change deliberately made in 2.2 therefore this is a request to revert the change. Yes developers should listen to feedback but its rare anything gets changed due to a single piece of feedback anyway. The Devs cannot be everywhere and read everything otherwise they'd never actually spend time developing anything as we users post comments on here, reddit, youtube etc around the clock. Ergo their time is limited and therefore: why should they spend his time on ones that cannot at least have the common decency of being polite? It really is not that difficult especially when we are asking for something. As I mentioned before, the Devs could ignore us or even try to keep us quiet, they do not have to listen.
Edit: On the bugreporting thing thats different really. The bugs do get read, usually not by Sandro but by QA and as they have a format and its rare for offensive/sweary/foul posts to be made there. On the suggestions and discussion it's very different and as above I don't see why they shouldn't be able to ignore rude people.
We are fairly off topic now. OP's post was sarcastic, it wasn't even that bad but I guess here we are...
Finally please post some examples of an offensive post or rant that has valid points backed up by evidence, suggestions for improvement and the community at large. They don't generally exist. The detailed posts with reasoned arguments and suggestions for improvements tend to exist a fair bit more often.
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Your comments simply do not add anything to the issue or discussion. I recommend that you should probably write less, read more and generally get informed about the community here. Not knowing even one of the lead developers that posts on the forum all the time is ample evidence of that. Case closed.
You should learn what a logical fallacy is and stop basing your entire "case" on one. It's laughable that you think knowing who someone's name is matters in any way, shape or form to the point I've argued.
But it does matter. In a same way the how you talk to people matters more than what you're saying and not the other way around.
No, it does not matter.
How does the name of a particular developer have anything to do with whether a known, valid bug report should be ignored based on tone?
It doesn't. His name, personality, marital status...none of that matters - at all. You and Ellegon should both read up on logical fallacies.