Sort out the loot table, having to put up with the random nature of engineers is bad enough but when it take 10hrs to find just 3 materials (Please dont tell me i am doing it wrong I am not) There is something wrong to the core.
Engineers Engineer Grind
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I'm sorry, but why are you posting it here, again?
You are clearly talking to Frontier. You made it clear you don't want to hear an advice and won't accept help of community, so please spare us your fuming and go try your luck here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/76-Suggestions-amp-Feedback
You are clearly talking to Frontier. You made it clear you don't want to hear an advice and won't accept help of community, so please spare us your fuming and go try your luck here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/76-Suggestions-amp-Feedback
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Don't focus on the materials. Step back breath find something you like to do and try and move that passion into finding mats. Example: If you like to fight. Fight in anarchy systems. They will drop some mats. Or run missions in anarchy systems, they give mats.
If your an explorer, search for really distant systems that are colonized and do stuff there. Just don't focus.
What are you looking for? Maybe I can help you change your perspective.
If your an explorer, search for really distant systems that are colonized and do stuff there. Just don't focus.
What are you looking for? Maybe I can help you change your perspective.
Then don't grind. Don't make this game not fun. I have barely done a thing with engineers. Why? because I don't see that I absolutely need to. Until engaging with engineers becomes required, I am generally going to leave them alone. Go do what you like to do. Maybe outfit an Asp X to go to Beagle Point. Maybe outfit a ship for bounty hunting. Maybe go do CGs. Whatever you do, make the choice to make it fun.
So what if I absolutely loathe dropping into random USSs and surface base assault? How will I get any firmware reliably without begging RNGesus to spawn a mission with the material I need? How will I ever get materials I want when the only way to get them is to do something I don't want to do and find soul draining?
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If you absolutely loathe doing something, then don't do it and accept the fact that you won't be able to get the specific reward.
If you absolutely loathe clothing stores and trying out new T-shirts, then you simply won't be able to get a T-shirt. What's hard to understand?
Nobody forces you into getting specialized firmware and you can play the rest of the game without it.
So I guess I should never voice my dissatisfaction? And you can't compare a want to a need.
In a big way, I kinda get what the O/P is saying. The way they have mission payouts stacked up, the only real VIABLE way to make ANY cash is from passenger missions.
I understand why they made some changes to payout scale for everything else, and that the changes to basic data delivery missions MAY possibly be unintentional. . . but I really ENJOYED making a living doing long and short range mission hauling. I don't HAVE to make 100m/hour [not that it's not fun on that odd occasion], but it's gone SO far in the other direction I feel myself FORCED into passenger missions if I want to make any cash. I tried that, managed to get caught by the "not wanted but secretive = instant death while scanned" bug, which cost me about 120 million credits [engineered cutter, converted semi combat/cargo hauler] Spend all that time trying to level up those NPCs which then died as well... And then you feel the only way to even ATTEMPT to rebuild that lost credit pool is to do. . MORE PASSENGER MISSIONS! You get to the point where you feel kinda stuck, because with other trading no longer remotely financially lucrative, you either feel obligated to stick with passenger missions [which now leave a bad taste in your mouth and have you paranoid about who to pick up] or you take your PvP engineered ship and go camp has rez or CZ [great for awhile, but it does get boring after awhile, not to mention tiring]
To make a TL/DR, it's like they've removed any viable financial alternative to passenger missions, and it really messes with the overall balance of the game (from my perspective as a trader).
I understand why they made some changes to payout scale for everything else, and that the changes to basic data delivery missions MAY possibly be unintentional. . . but I really ENJOYED making a living doing long and short range mission hauling. I don't HAVE to make 100m/hour [not that it's not fun on that odd occasion], but it's gone SO far in the other direction I feel myself FORCED into passenger missions if I want to make any cash. I tried that, managed to get caught by the "not wanted but secretive = instant death while scanned" bug, which cost me about 120 million credits [engineered cutter, converted semi combat/cargo hauler] Spend all that time trying to level up those NPCs which then died as well... And then you feel the only way to even ATTEMPT to rebuild that lost credit pool is to do. . MORE PASSENGER MISSIONS! You get to the point where you feel kinda stuck, because with other trading no longer remotely financially lucrative, you either feel obligated to stick with passenger missions [which now leave a bad taste in your mouth and have you paranoid about who to pick up] or you take your PvP engineered ship and go camp has rez or CZ [great for awhile, but it does get boring after awhile, not to mention tiring]
To make a TL/DR, it's like they've removed any viable financial alternative to passenger missions, and it really messes with the overall balance of the game (from my perspective as a trader).
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Voice what you want. Internet doesn't mind.
Yes, I can't compare a want and a need. That's exactly my point. You WANT better thrusters. (or whatever) But you don't NEED them to be successful and enjoy the game.
So if you don't want to work for them, just don't.
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What Chris said...
The point of needing to search for parts for the Engineers is to make you work for them. Until 2.2, you could find certain commodities as mission rewards in certain systems, so you would go there for a while until you got the parts you needed. 2.2 is more uncertain for now.
One general rule of advice is don't go looking exclusively for engineer parts - you will go insane. Do other things and just keep checking to see if you have anything you need, then go.
The point of needing to search for parts for the Engineers is to make you work for them. Until 2.2, you could find certain commodities as mission rewards in certain systems, so you would go there for a while until you got the parts you needed. 2.2 is more uncertain for now.
One general rule of advice is don't go looking exclusively for engineer parts - you will go insane. Do other things and just keep checking to see if you have anything you need, then go.
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Blowing up isn't fun or successful. You pretty much do need the thrusters and/or other defensive mods if you play in Open and go where other people are.
Enigineers today are so nerfed its laughable how easy it is to get stuff! blueprints have been made dead simple and the things you need are super easy to get!
Yet people are still complaining?! Seriouslly how casual can you be?
Yet people are still complaining?! Seriouslly how casual can you be?
I think their reasoning is that they paid for the game, so they want everything freely accessible, because the gameplay feels like work to them.
Then they should have bought a movie instead of a video game.
Do you have a particular compulsion to be rude and unhelpful?
The gameplay feels like work in many instance to me as well. Perhaps there's something to actually be addressed here, including your superior and demeaning attitude.
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I think you should go back and re-read the OP. We are specifically forbidden to be constructive and helpful. So we're talking smack in otherwise pointless thread
I preferred the game before 2.1, because I enjoyed the freedom to fly any given max-specced ship on any given day, experimenting with new PvP tactics on a daily basis.
Sadly without a permanent 'Fish Beta' that was rendered impossible by 2.1. The time requirements are too high.
I personally thought the rank and credit time-walls to achieving the above pre-2.0 were of about the right height. I can't say the same for the RNGineers.
Of course some will say I have no 'right' to fly any max-specced ship but that's just forum morality.
The fact is that prior to 2.1 I had the ability to do just that. I miss it.
I also miss the many valued PvP friends and rivals lost to the game because of the 2.1 grind.
Sadly without a permanent 'Fish Beta' that was rendered impossible by 2.1. The time requirements are too high.
I personally thought the rank and credit time-walls to achieving the above pre-2.0 were of about the right height. I can't say the same for the RNGineers.
Of course some will say I have no 'right' to fly any max-specced ship but that's just forum morality.
The fact is that prior to 2.1 I had the ability to do just that. I miss it.
I also miss the many valued PvP friends and rivals lost to the game because of the 2.1 grind.
