Horizons Where are the CobraIV's? Nuked by 2.2?

I decided that I need to mine to get some Platinum, so I want to change ships to a CobraIV. But the stations that I have been to that eddb.io says has Cobra Mk. IV's don't have them. I have been to 4 of them now, Vancanson Orbital in Gacruc, Cook Orbital in Chipiapoos, Meredith City in FLT 926, and Bowersox Enterprise in Maljenni; the last of which had about 10 models but no Cobra IV. Now I'm going to keep looking, but is there something I missed in the update to 2.2? Did they remove them (the new ones) from the game? WTH?
 
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I decided that I need to mine to get some Platinum, so I want to change ships to a CobraIV. But the stations that I have been to that eddb.io says has CobraIV's don't have them. I have been to 4 of them now, Vancanson Orbital in Gacruc, Cook Orbital in Chipiapoos, Meredith City in FLT 926, and Bowersox Enterprise in Maljenni; the last of which had about 10 models but no CobraIV. Now I'm going to keep looking, but is there something I missed in the update to 2.2? Did they remove them (the new ones) from the game? WTH?

Are you definitely eligible for the ship? Cobra Mk.IV was for backers/early adopters only.
 
Yeah; I saw the ship for sale when I started playing but most did not recomend it at all - so i skipped it. Didn't know it should not be buyable for me, and now when I really want one for the collection and maybe set it up for passenger travel - it is taken away. A bit sad but I understand exclusivity [ugh]
 
Are you definitely eligible for the ship? Cobra Mk.IV was for backers/early adopters only.

Correct on exclusivity, incorrect on qualification to buy --> it was the reward for pre-order purchasers of Engineers who also already owned Horizons.

Initially the offer was anyone who owned Horizons, then later bought Engineers would get ability to buy Cobra Mk IV, but FD sleight of hand changed the promotion after the fact and made the qualification owned Horizons + bought Engineers before cutoff date xx.yy *(forgot what the date was but was period covering before and bit after engineers launch)

I can also confirm that if you petition FD, while CS will admit the promo was changed retroactively, they won't (at least not in my case) change their stance and allow/edit/add Cobra Mk IV purchase ability as per original promo before change.
 
Correct on exclusivity, incorrect on qualification to buy --> it was the reward for pre-order purchasers of Engineers who also already owned Horizons.

Initially the offer was anyone who owned Horizons, then later bought Engineers would get ability to buy Cobra Mk IV, but FD sleight of hand changed the promotion after the fact and made the qualification owned Horizons + bought Engineers before cutoff date xx.yy *(forgot what the date was but was period covering before and bit after engineers launch)

I can also confirm that if you petition FD, while CS will admit the promo was changed retroactively, they won't (at least not in my case) change their stance and allow/edit/add Cobra Mk IV purchase ability as per original promo before change.

Surely that's a contractual obligation? You made a purchase with the ship as a bonus as part of said offer?

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I didn't know this. I just confirmed it in looking at the ship wikis. Darn. o7 Mercury7.

You're welcome! o7

I was disappointed too.
 
Exactly as jacozilla states.

I had exactly the same spate of emails with Frontier over this debacle too, and also drew a blank on access to cobra iV.

It is now annoying again as I can see it making a great small passenger ship as well as the only really decent small mining ship (in terms of volume especially).

I wish they would come out and say if this will ever be available to the rest of us, or if they are going to release a ship that is small and of the same quantity of internals for those not lucky enough to buy its use in the poorly announced limited time slot it was given.
 
Surely that's a contractual obligation? You made a purchase with the ship as a bonus as part of said offer?

Am the first to say it wasn't exactly customer-service friendly. But nothing actually illegal in terms of contractual obligation because there was no completed transaction to the contracted terms.

Most Western jurisdictions rely on the basic elements of offer, terms of the offer, and remuneration (e.g. paid for what was offered). Key gap here is remuneration. I was told of offer X, with terms ABC, later changed to DEF. Due to thinking there was no end date of the offer (original terms), I did not purchase and held off - until too late when the terms changed to DEF (must buy before xx.yy date).

Companies are completely free to change promos and offer terms, anytime, any reason, so long as buyers who already accepted and closed the transaction with remuneration paid based on offer terms at point of purchase is honored.

This is why this sad customer service debacle did not turn into a greater stink - because take a look at the scenario:

1- initial promo offer terms and offered item -> previously own horizons + pre-order or purchase Engineers at anytime = ability to buy Cobra Mk IV

Customers who paid based on these terms received the promised offer, so no matter what later change to offer terms, there is no breach of contract - remuneration was paid and customers received exactly what was offered

2- New promo offer terms, changed from above to -> previously own horizons + pre-order or purchase Engineers before xx.yy date = ability to buy Cobra Mk IV

At the instant original offer terms were changed to this new one, all prior customers who'd already paid still qualified for the offered reward (Cobra Mk IV) because whether old terms or new terms, the change was done within the xx.yy period (e.g. the change was done before the end of that xx.yy date period). Hence there's no breach because the offer which remuneration was paid for still was provided (the Cobra Mk IV)

The gap - JohnF, me, and whatever number of others that -saw- the original promo and thought we had more time than we had, and to be fair - did not check back on that promo page and post to see the new change of terms, lost out on the opportunity because we let the new date xx.yy pass by (due to not knowing it had been changed).

But since we did not actually complete the transaction by providing remuneration, there is no breach of contract, there isn't even a contract per se - it's just a terms of offer which can be changed at any time for any reason. So I'm back to basically calling this more fairly as 'bad customer service move', but not complaining about actual legal wrong doing.

The public relations aspect is more simple - is it fair or reasonable to penalize players who in good faith viewed the initial promo post, including FAQ that explicitly outlined use case where purchase of Engineers could be done -at any time- as long as previously owned Horizons to qualify for the Cobra Mk IV, but missed viewing the new terms?

/shrug - it can honestly be argued either way. as in many other similar scenarios, bottom line is people vote with the dollars. For my part, I still like and play ED, but I've cut off all 'support payments' - e.g. previously I felt good about buying paint jobs, packs, etc as way of supporting FD as well as get some token of my support in non-game impact but cosmetic items. Now I never buy a single store item, never pre-order to give early funds, etc.
 
CMDR eligibility from Horizons/Engineers aside, I wish FD would just make the Cobra MKIV available for purchase in their store.

I've never been eligible to get the ship in game, but damn it, even if it's a bad ship, or a ship with limited use, I want it. I'm not a fan of hiding legitimately unique in game items such as ships in ED, or weapons in a FPS game or certain levels in an action game behind pre-orders or other marketing shenanigans. This goes for all development companies - not just FD. Go ahead and make the content, and give it away for "free" under special conditions - but make it available to everyone somehow after those conditions have passed. Perhaps not the best way, but a way that certainly works, is to let users buy that content.

It's not like the MKIV is a special paint - the ship is not just unique in its appearance but in its abilities as well (despite those abilities being lackluster, perhaps). As someone who enjoys flying other ships, even those that are seen as 'bad' or 'below average', I'd gladly throw my real money at the screen to pick one up. Sadly, I can't.
 
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@jacozilla: Yes - completely agree!

I thought you were saying that people **had bought** the update between the end of the *new* "buy by" date, and the release of the product BEFORE the terms were updated, and were not offered the Mk.IV as a result.

A mis-understanding on my part. :)
 
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I hate Exclusivity! But i will not cry about not being able to get a Cobra MK IV. I wish I could get one, but I never knew this game existed until August of this year and I jumped on the buy, but I believed that I was too late. Sucks. Really it does, but oh well, I will deal with it.

It would be nice to have several more ships though. I think it would be nice to get another cargo ship or two, a multirole fighter and another heavy fighter or two as well as a light recon/scout ship or light fighter. Maybe a weird ship called a RoQ that is slightly smaller than the Sidewinder but carries a level 4 shield and the ability to have a class 3 power plant. Essentially, the ability to make the ship able to jump 15+ LY, have 1500 shields and hold nice sensors, but with a single medium or single small hardpoint.
 
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Personally I am not a fan of exclusive ships either (and I HAVE a cobra IV). I suppose FD are between a rock and a hard place now as if they released it to all*some* (not me) horizons pre-oderers would moan.

IF they added it in the cash shop *some* players would cry "pay2win" despite the cobra mk IV not having any stand out features (not a bad all rounder tho)

and IF they keep it as it is now, some players feel cheated they cant get it.

in the past imo mistakes were made... i cant think of a fix now... *maybe* if they made it available to all, but gave the current owners a unique skin for it and a bobble head of the ship or something, that would keep everyone happy.

not sure if it is worth the dev time however. . in the future i hope all future "exclusive" items are limited to paint jobs, bobble heads and decals etc and all ships are available to all (with the correct expansion of course, i have no issue with equipment which is tied to an expansion pass)
 

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The provision of exclusive rewards, such as the Cobra Mk IV or special decals has always fallen badly with some groups who are excluded by the exclusiveness!

Witness recent threads on exclusive decals, Lavecon and other conventions exclusive skins, many threads about the Mk IV.

You either give them and accept that some people will be unhappy, or don't give them - but how do you then give out rewards?

The idea that everyone should have access to everything that ever was isn't one that is workable.
 
cosmetic stuff imo is a different beast to actual "game" stuff.

no one can accuse someone having a decal of being P2W - or if they do imo can be safely ignored..... but exclusive ships are a bad idea imo for 2 reasons.

1) it generates the worry (even if unfounded) of P2W
2) in a game which doesnt have *that* many ships, its time that was spent by the devs which will only get to be enjoyed by limited people.

but you are right some will always complain, but for the most part it would be a shame if FD did nothing for the community (damned if they do, damned if they dont).

its not a massive problem from my view either way... just giving my 2p.
 
The main issue I have is these ships are in my game. Other players have them in open and group. Npc have them in all play types.

But I cannot have them as I could not afford to spend real money in a very short time period that was not advertised as such.

As usual frontiers comments on this topic are silent. Why not make an anouncement one way or the other. And stick to it. That would at least put the subject to bed once and for all.
 
As usual frontiers comments on this topic are silent. Why not make an anouncement one way or the other. And stick to it. That would at least put the subject to bed once and for all.
They said that the MkIV is only for people who preordered/early bought Horizons. And they stick to it.
 
Correct on exclusivity, incorrect on qualification to buy --> it was the reward for pre-order purchasers of Engineers who also already owned Horizons.

Initially the offer was anyone who owned Horizons, then later bought Engineers would get ability to buy Cobra Mk IV, but FD sleight of hand changed the promotion after the fact and made the qualification owned Horizons + bought Engineers before cutoff date xx.yy *(forgot what the date was but was period covering before and bit after engineers launch)

I can also confirm that if you petition FD, while CS will admit the promo was changed retroactively, they won't (at least not in my case) change their stance and allow/edit/add Cobra Mk IV purchase ability as per original promo before change.

Not entirely accurate. The Cobra Mark IV is available to players who bought Horizons before a certain date I am unsure of, I believe it was around last December or February. I bought it in June and was extremely disappointed at the vague wording in the company literature. This feeling was somewhat offset by all the negative reviews and comments I keep reading about the ship.
 
It's not that great of a ship anyway. The 3 is actually better.

Actually I believe the two are designed for different purposes. The CobraIV is more fitting as an armed freighter, with strong defensive capabilities. The III is more of a fighter.
The CobraIV is ideal for a mining ship with defensive capabilities, as it has more hardpoints than a Type 6. A commander could take such an outfitted for mining CobraIV into a fight, whereas the Type 6 outfitted for mining needs to run from fights (no strong weapons). The CobraIII doesn't have the cargo space and number of cargo cells for ideal mining.


As for the rest of the issues about the exclusivity of the CobraIV, they promised this to the original adopters of the game, and I believe promises should be kept - I am a man of my word, I keep my promises.
 
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They said that the MkIV is only for people who preordered/early bought Horizons. And they stick to it.

Nope. Entirely incorrect.

The original and changed offers were:

1- Previously own Horizons (via any manner - preorder, reg purchase, etc) AND purchase Engineers at any time. Engineers could be purchased via pre-order or purchase. In addition to promo, FAQ page was setup specifically stating Engineers part could be bought -at any time- and players would get Cobra Mk IV long as they also previously owned Horizons.

2- Changed to new terms of --> Previously own Horizons and purchase Engineers before xx.yy date (the date covered period of pre-order and bit after launch).

So no, they didn't stick to the original.

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Not entirely accurate. The Cobra Mark IV is available to players who bought Horizons before a certain date I am unsure of, I believe it was around last December or February. I bought it in June and was extremely disappointed at the vague wording in the company literature. This feeling was somewhat offset by all the negative reviews and comments I keep reading about the ship.

read above. had nothing to do with purchase date of Horizons. Both original and changed terms merely needed prior ownership of Horizons, and then purchase of Engineers (at any time with original terms, changed to 'by xx.yy date' in new terms)
 
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