Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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I tried a different approach to verify Mengy's measurements. I aimed my ship directly downward and hovered over various points of interest, recording the planetary coordinates of each one. I also double checked several of these measurements in my SRV and they were all a match within ~0.0002 degrees, so I think the technique is reliable.

http://i.imgur.com/1YnQBI1.jpg

Using those coordinates along with the radius of the planet, we can then calculate distances between points without having to worry about things like where the "center" of a parked ship is considered to be. So we start by dividing the planet's circumference by 360 to find the linear surface distance per degree:

Code:
radius = 1122 kilometers
circumference = PI * 2 * 1122 ~= 7049.7339 kilometers
arclength = 7049.7339 * 1000 / 360 ~= 19582.5942 meters per degree

Next, we can compute the "distance" in degrees between any two coordinate pairs and use the conversion factor above to translate that into the linear distance in meters. Technically we're working in spherical coordinates which would complicate such calculations, but since we're working over such a small area I think we can treat our coordinates as if they were cartesian. So let's try verifying the distance from the center (peak) of the north pyramid to the center of the large circle:

Code:
arc = ((-31.7804 - -31.7865)^2 + (-128.9001 - -128.9236)^2)^0.5 degrees
arc = (0.0061^2 + 0.0235^2)^0.5 degrees
arc = (0.00058946)^0.5 degrees
arc ~= 0.02427880 degrees
distance = 0.02427880 * 19582.5942 ~= 475.44 meters

Not what I expected. But maybe there's too much imprecision in our measurements; the planet radius is rounded to the nearest kilometer, and our coordinates are probably only accurate to ~0.0005 degrees. Just to be on the safe side, let's subtract 1km of radius and round our coordinates to 0.001 degree in such a way so as to minimize the calculated distance, in order to establish a lower bound:

Code:
radius = 1121 kilometers
circumference = PI * 2 * 1121 ~= 7043.4508 kilometers
arclength = 7043.4508 * 1000 / 360 ~= 19565.1409 meters per degree
arc = ((-31.781 - -31.786)^2 + (-128.901 - -128.923)^2)^0.5 degrees
arc = (0.005^2 + 0.022^2)^0.5 degrees
arc = (0.000509)^0.5 degrees
arc ~= 0.02256103 degrees
distance = 0.02256103 * 19565.1409 ~= 441.41 meters

Oh dear. Even allowing for a very wide margin of error, the shortest that distance could be according to this surveying method is almost 73 meters further than Mengy's measurement -- an error of almost 20%.

Of course it's possible that there's some additional confounding factor that invalidates the assumptions of this survey; the planet might not be perfectly spherical, or the published radius might be incorrect. But I think it's worth double checking, perhaps by having two commanders in SRVs try to repeating Mengy's measurements; SRVs being much smaller than ships might reduce one potential source of error.

This is awesome work!! We also did a similar survey of the site, but at different points.

And in spreadsheet form! You can view the distances on the first sheet, and the acquired points (all taken in an SRV or SLF) in the third.

Very similar results to boot, except we have a different spot by more than a small offset for the Landing Pad, while the rest are different by about .0003 degrees. You can check out the full trello ticket here.
 
This is awesome work!! We also did a similar survey of the site, but at different points.

And in spreadsheet form! You can view the distances on the first sheet, and the acquired points (all taken in an SRV or SLF) in the third.

Very similar results to boot, except we have a different spot by more than a small offset for the Landing Pad, while the rest are different by about .0003 degrees. You can check out the full trello ticket here.

after its all said and done do we have a destination at present or just more highly thought out theories that are so complex they kind of rule themselves out as valid, for every theory there must be a result and a testable and repeatable result

Even if u dont want to disclose does youre theory (not sure what a trello is) have a end destination / a searchable system / something concrete and applicable
 
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On 8C. Judging from the orientation of Barnards loop, if there's something here, I'd hazard it'll be in the Northern hemisphere, close to the pole. Thoughts?

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Col 173 sector KY-Q D5-47 8C *

What's special about 8C?
 
Is there a significant delay between the end and the recording starting over? Maybe the final segment is the start of the first.



It's very reminiscent of a postal barcode, though they tend to use 4 bar heights, rather than 3. The 3 we have, plus another short centered bar.

http://i.imgur.com/ACdUSYg.jpg

http://ultrastudio.org/upload/royalcbc-02201847.jpg



Good stuff :) I searched a bunch in google for similar style barcode but didnt come across that postal barcode. Seems interesting. I did wonder if we just have to map these bars to a similar set for a known encoding, rather than it just be a direct copy (add in the long thin bars and we do have 4 different ones, though the long thin ones seem a bit - separated? from the main set).

I've just come back and seen the almost hour long recording, grabbing it now. I'll apply the same spectrogram + image processing to the signal and post up ASAP. S'late for me now though, sleepytime. I wont be able to post up 'till 14+ hours from now. If anyone wants the spectrogram settings + algorithm I've used in audacity to filter it out + process the image in the meantime PM me, I'll send it in the morning.

interesting the sections aren't actually all the same length; i think I may have duplicated a piece of the 6th marked segment you posted up there, looking at the images split out like that the first part of the 6th segment looks repeated.

blegh, sleep or signal fiddling.. what do? ! :)

have fun CMDR's :)


..one last thing; I like the idea someone posted up earlier of it being similar to signals encoded on tape. (My day job is (was) indeirectly all about tape storage of data :) ) .. the more I look at it, the more I wonder about that angle of thinking. Maybe it's just because it's presented as a long thin strip, but.. hmm.. I might just spend tomorrow at work chasing down anyone who might know how data is encoded on tape in more detail and see what they think ;p
 
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This is awesome work!! We also did a similar survey of the site, but at different points.

And in spreadsheet form! You can view the distances on the first sheet, and the acquired points (all taken in an SRV or SLF) in the third.

Very similar results to boot, except we have a different spot by more than a small offset for the Landing Pad, while the rest are different by about .0003 degrees. You can check out the full trello ticket here.

Interesting work! I feel like Taleden's arclength conversions might be throwing his numbers off some but it's a great idea, I hadn't even thought of doing it that way. I can't figure out why his lengths are so far off though. The survey lengths in your spreadsheet are very close to mine, a few are only off by a couple of meters. Even though I was extra careful surveying the last time, I wonder if a few of my measurements (although more accurate than before) might still have been off slightly? Most notably, the following:

Large Pad to Small Pad = 820m (I measured 823m)
Large Pad to Inner Pyramid = 408m (I measured 417m)
North Pyramid to Inner Pyramid = 673m (I have 681m)
North Pyramid to Small Pad = 1171m (I have 1181m)

However, your measurement from the Large Pad to the North Pyramid is only 365m, which is 3m short of the distance to Sol. When you measured from and to the Large Pad, did you use the circular center, or the intersection of the three structures on the pad like I did?

Awesome Trello board by the way, great work!
 
I've been looking at those triangular markings on the Obelisks - and the prevalence of triangles in the site.

Could there be a code tucked away - as in a Sierpinski or Pascal triangle code?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle#/media/File:Multigrade_operator_AND.svg

pascal.gif


or
pascals_triangle_with_even_numbers_shaded-svg.png


That might give us a clue to some co-ordinates?

Shorn
 
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I'm going on a hunch, but if anyone is nearby Asterope, could you check out a system called "Atlas". I'm 400 lys out so it's going to take me a few sessions to get out there.
 
Good stuff :) I searched a bunch in google for similar style barcode but didnt come across that postal barcode. Seems interesting. I did wonder if we just have to map these bars to a similar set for a known encoding, rather than it just be a direct copy (add in the long thin bars and we do have 4 different ones, though the long thin ones seem a bit - separated? from the main set).

I've just come back and seen the almost hour long recording, grabbing it now. I'll apply the same spectrogram + image processing to the signal and post up ASAP. S'late for me now though, sleepytime. I wont be able to post up 'till 14+ hours from now. If anyone wants the spectrogram settings + algorithm I've used in audacity to filter it out + process the image in the meantime PM me, I'll send it in the morning.

interesting the sections aren't actually all the same length; i think I may have duplicated a piece of the 6th marked segment you posted up there, looking at the images split out like that the first part of the 6th segment looks repeated.

blegh, sleep or signal fiddling.. what do? ! :)

have fun CMDR's :)


..one last thing; I like the idea someone posted up earlier of it being similar to signals encoded on tape. (My day job is (was) indeirectly all about tape storage of data :) ) .. the more I look at it, the more I wonder about that angle of thinking. Maybe it's just because it's presented as a long thin strip, but.. hmm.. I might just spend tomorrow at work chasing down anyone who might know how data is encoded on tape in more detail and see what they think ;p

Yeppers. Once a year when we got all the sensitive stuff back from the Iron Mountain vault we had to degauss all the tapes before we destroyed them. We had to run them through the analyzer after the degaussing and see if we could see magnetic arrangements on the tape. If we did we had to hit em again with the magnet, until every thing was non uniform. We had a hammer mill to kill the tapes after.

Its amazing the length you have to go do for disaster recovery and media destruction. But I can say it was pretty fun throw those things into the mill.

That or maybe some old school fortran punch cards. But I doubt it. Would be too obscure.

Magnetic data on tapes look similar now as they did back when it was created. You still get more storage from a magnetic tape than you do any other media bluray included. Its tiny by comparison to the new high density tape.
 
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Is there a significant delay between the end and the recording starting over? Maybe the final segment is the start of the first.



It's very reminiscent of a postal barcode, though they tend to use 4 bar heights, rather than 3. The 3 we have, plus another short centered bar.

http://i.imgur.com/ACdUSYg.jpg

http://ultrastudio.org/upload/royalcbc-02201847.jpg

The closest tool i found to try and work this out is an IMB barcode. Similar to the above but in the US:
http://bobcodes.weebly.com/imb.html

This is the string i used of the image you posted. Its larger (83) needs to be 65 to be valid though
afdfafffaddfaafaadafffdadafaddfadfdaadadddafddadfafadfafdaddadafdafadfdfaafafdadadf

Creates this image:
LZA2R22.png


Not sure if we need to put the small middle spaces durring pauses between bars? Tried a few but it didn't work. Maybe someone else here will have better luck.
 
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a thought here all the listening posts were all within a system or nearby systems that were affected by unknown artifacts prior to 2.2 ( pic tok, vatari, rhea, velli and a few other locations) i wonder if this is a consideration, perhaps we should test others. Check systems that are now repaired and perhaps still under UA shutdown. Its a bit of a long shot, but so far seems accurate including the one in the sol system and lave
 
are we still selling unknown artifacts in cannons home system ?

as according to galnet apparently systems can be shut down for a second time, it would be interesting to see if that aids the storyline, barring that i can resort to hidden locations out of the public sphere.
 
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