Do you care about preventing combat logging?

Do you care about preventing combat logging?

  • Yes

    Votes: 174 26.5%

  • No

    Votes: 483 73.5%
  • Total voters
    657
  • Poll closed .

Sandmann

Sandmann
Yes, it's another poll, coz we all love polls, right? The title says it all.

Yes, combat logging is against the rules - no argument. This is not a thread about changing that. I'm just wondering how many players actually give a damn about it, or who have their game negativley impacted by it. Or even if it doesn't impact your game directly but you still feel strongly that it should be enforced more than it already is (or isn't).

Personally it doesn't impact me and I really don't get why it bothers people. If I were interested in PvP I'd consider combat logging to be a win anyway. Your mileage may differ, of course.

So... who cares? Stand up and be counted.

Clarifications:
- Combat logging IS cheating - there is a rule that says so. That is not disputed.
- Logging out through the menus is legal as has been stated clearly by the devs.
- Combat logging is probably very difficult if not impossible to prevent entirely. This is not a call to enforce i,t NOR is it a call to abandon it. I'm simply curious as to if you CARE about combat logging.
 
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Riverside

Riverside
Okay so the question as stated is about preventing it. Since it's impossible for Fdev to code against pulling the plug I interpret that as "encouraging players to stay & be entertained rather than logging off".

So yes, I play in Open & would absolutely be in favour of a more hospitable environment where players are less likely to want to log off by any method.

My personal proposal is a simple Blacklist (just like the existing friends list) where you simply have the option to no longer be affected by an individual player if you don't want to. Nothing complex, just stop complaining (as a community) and get behind the idea of not having your session spoiled by that combat logger or ganker.
 

Sandmann

Sandmann
For those who feel it IS an impotant issue I'd also be interested in hearing about WHY it's so offensive to you? That's not mandatory of course, just for my own curiosity. :)
 

WALLAC3

W
Yeah man... I've never done it in PvP, and only once when I was starting out (like a year+ ago) in PvE and like a dumbass almost died without being able to afford the rebuy on my ship (didn't know about the 5M loan at the time).

But while I think it's messed up when some douchy bully finds himself outmatched after interdicting somebody not even looking for combat and then combat logs (which has happened to me before), I don't really care if somebody does it to them. If there was a legit PVP bounty hunting system in the game, I would absolutely want this to get fixed, especially so players with bounties couldn't combat log. To me, that's the most important use case; if you prey on other players, you should absolutely never be able to combat log yourself. If making it so it's impossible for anyone to do that is what needs to happen to make it work, fine, but I just think we would need a much better bounty hunting system to be in place then too in order to better police gankers.
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
to be honest with the UK Internet being as crap as it is lots of legit players would get banned for poor service by isps so this being magically fixed is hyperbole.

if people KEEP DISCONNECTING in combat then that would be a black mark and something worth investigating.
 
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Flavourless

Flavourless
Logging via the menu is never cheating, even though some players don't like it. (Confirmed by lead developer)
Logging by other methods is cheating but from all the discussions the last 2 years is impossible to stop.

It is not high priority on my long list of things that I wish would be fixed.
 

EISENHORN01

EISENHORN01
Fix the issue not the cause, ask why are players doing this and instead of banning them fix the root causes.

I think we need a poll on starting a whole new forum where all you can talk about is how pvp has been ruined all pvpers are the greatest and everyone else is a no good combat logging care bear would free up half the space in this forum
 

Steve_T

Steve_T
=71st=RuSh said:
For players that can have all day in front of a PC or XBOX, combat logging is a shame. For the casual player that only have two or three hours after work to earn a few mills to buy a new ship, or to explore, or anything, combat logging is a must!
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No. You play in Solo.

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Novo Mundus said:
No, it's cheating.
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Sandmann said:
Yes, it is... but only because there is a rule that says so. If there were no such rule, would you still be as offended by it?
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Yes, I would still find it offensive. It's morally wrong.
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
EISENHORN01 said:
Fix the issue not the cause, ask why are players doing this and instead of banning them fix the root causes.

I think we need a poll on starting a whole new forum where all you can talk about is how pvp has been ruined all pvpers are the greatest and everyone else is a no good combat logging care bear would free up half the space in this forum
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more totalitarian police would be better who go after murderers. Bring back Clean>>Offender>>Fugitive>>Enemy of the state, stop the wanted for 20Cr kill on sight. Murderers should be instant Fugitives but ding a ship it should be Offender till the bounty gets over 6000Cr
 

Cmdr Esteban

Cmdr Esteban
I play mostly PvE, Solo and Mobius, and only occasionally Open where I may or may not encounter PvP situations.

Nevertheless, I had to vote 'yes'. Logging is immersion-breaking and more importantly, well, it's just not cricket.

At the end of the day, the combat logger is really cheating him/herself, because they're easily evading risk and challenge. And without risk and challenge the game would be boring. It's quite simple.
 
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Arindor

Arindor
Combat logging doesn't bother me TBH. If FD forced me to play open I wouldn't attack another player, combat logging wouldn't affect me. Even if the shoe was on the other foot, then I would make use of the 15s log out timer, because that's what it's there for (easy said I suppose). :)

As an aside, open sucks IMO and, even if PvE was implemented, instance connection and lag would be the other reason for me to avoid open. When everything pauses for several minutes it breaks my immersion. :)
 
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Kosmicwolf

K
EdzUp said:
more totalitarian police would be better who go after murderers. Bring back Clean>>Offender>>Fugitive>>Enemy of the state, stop the wanted for 20Cr kill on sight. Murderers should be instant Fugitives but ding a ship it should be Offender till the bounty gets over 6000Cr
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And then they will Combat Log too. So maybe better fix that first.
 

Sandmann

Sandmann
WALLAC3 said:
If there was a legit PVP bounty hunting system in the game, I would absolutely want this to get fixed, especially so players with bounties couldn't combat log. To me, that's the most important use case;.
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This relates to WHY I don't understand the upset about it - the game doesn't offer much of a reward for player killing other than occasional fairly small bounties which are nowhere near enough to "live on", and many PvP kills aren't even on people who have bounties, so the only real reason for it is the personal satisfaction of a victory over another person. Surely having them flee is as much of a victory as having their space pixels scattered? Maybe I'm missing something.

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Steve_T said:
Yes, I would still find it offensive. It's morally wrong.
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I accept that you dislike it, but WHY? Why is it morally wrong for a player to avoid the rebuy screen? Other than the potential bounty, what have they taken from you?
 
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Lucius-Darcia

Lucius-Darcia
I don't like it but since i have no idea how to solve this problem without punishing real disconnected players, i don't care about a solution.
If someone combat logs at me, i have won :) it doesn't matter in which ship he/she fly after our meeting or how much credits he/she has left
 
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