Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Nick Sticks

Nick Sticks
AlexAndTheDJ said:
I have a question; I'm not so smart so I cant even begin to work out an answer:

At Col 173 yadda yadda, Barnards loop and the stars line up as in the elite meet video showing ancient ruins. However, I was curious as to whether it's possible for another system a little further away from Barnards loop could potentially show the same alignment? If so, how would one go about working it out?

The reason I ask is I feel Barnards loop appears slightly too big in the skyline for it to match the elite meet video, but if you head further away from Barnards loop, you come across a permit locked sector (Regor sector) - and since Col 173 yadda yadda has come up blank so far, I did wonder whether a similar alignment could be possible.
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I doubt it.
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I've checked many systems surrounding COL 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47. Relative to Barnards Loop, I've been in front of that system and behind it and the stars just don't match as well as this system. Some come close but there's always something missing.
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For me, it's now a case of checking all the planets and moons to see if I can get the star and planet alignment right. It's going to be a tough long job, but I like it.
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Also, when at somewhere like 3A, the light pollution makes Barnards Loop appear smaller.
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AlexAndTheDJ

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Nick Sticks said:
I doubt it.
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I've checked many systems surrounding COL 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47. Relative to Barnards Loop, I've been in front of that system and behind it and the stars just don't match as well as this system. Some come close but there's always something missing.
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For me, it's now a case of checking all the planets and moons to see if I can get the star and planet alignment right. It's going to be a tough long job, but I like it.
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Would that method work though? With planet rotation and orbits, wouldnt the alignment of barnards loop and the stars in the elite meet video be time specific relative to the position of the planetary body?
 
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Nick Sticks

Nick Sticks
AlexAndTheDJ said:
Would that method work though? With planet rotation and orbits, wouldnt the alignment of barnards loop and the stars in the elite meet video be time specific relative to the position of the planetary body?
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The planets yes, not the stars.
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There does appear to be a planet, possibly ringed, with 4 moons. I'm not expecting them to be always there, but if they are that would be a good confirmation.
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Erid

Erid
AlexAndTheDJ said:
Would that method work though? With planet rotation and orbits, wouldnt the alignment of barnards loop and the stars in the elite meet video be time specific relative to the position of the planetary body?
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It can be previously recording video. How then you can get time specific position?
 

AlexAndTheDJ

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Nick Sticks said:
The planets yes, not the stars.
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There does appear to be a planet, possibly ringed, with 4 moons. I'm not expecting them to be always there, but if they are that would be a good confirmation.
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Ok - well, bear in mind the bright cluster to the right of Barnards Loop in the elite meet video are planets/moons - so don't expect those to align. Good luck CMDR o7

Erid said:
It can be previously recording video. How then you can get time specific position?
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Exactly my point
 
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Nick Sticks

Nick Sticks
AlexAndTheDJ said:
Ok - well, bear in mind the bright cluster to the right of Barnards Loop in the elite meet video are planets/moons - so don't expect those to align. Good luck CMDR o7



Exactly my point
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Someone earlier did have a cluster of planets appearing almost in the right area, but yes, those in the bottom right are going to move. The rest, I'm sure are stars or distant galaxies that won't be moving by much.
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This is the image I am using taken from the video. I've corrected it for parallax.
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Erid

Erid
Nick Sticks said:
Someone earlier did have a cluster of planets appearing almost in the right area, but yes, those in the bottom right are going to move. The rest, I'm sure are stars or distant galaxies that won't be moving by much.
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This is the image I am using taken from the video. I've corrected it for parallax.
http://i.imgur.com/5tU5XlN.jpg
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Wow.
But it looks like known ruins...
Maybe it's a "trial version" ruins?
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AlexAndTheDJ

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Erid said:
I point on the identical parts of ruins
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Well, the Alien shipwrecks are very similar to each other. It wouldnt surprise me if ruins were the same.

My biggest issue is that this video was shot prior to 2.2, meaning they would have to remove the ruins from the planet until re-introducing them in 2.2. This means they could feasibly have changed their mind on where they wanted to place them. . .
 

Ericlas

Ericlas
Nick Sticks said:
Someone earlier did have a cluster of planets appearing almost in the right area, but yes, those in the bottom right are going to move. The rest, I'm sure are stars or distant galaxies that won't be moving by much.
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This is the image I am using taken from the video. I've corrected it for parallax.
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Geez the glow...my eyes hurt...

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floc

floc
Erid said:
I point on the identical parts of ruins
If it was made by wind erosion or purposely on first ruins, then it don't must be in second ruins.
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the two images shows exactly the same item, ruined down by erosion (or whatever else...)
 

Nick Sticks

Nick Sticks
Erid said:
I point on the identical parts of ruins
If it was made by wind erosion or purposely on first ruins, then it don't must be in second ruins.
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Well, you would hope that if there are two ruins that they would be different, or at least have different erosion.
But we have the same Barnacles and alien ship crash layouts so we could at least expect the same in game assets to be used for another ruin site.
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AlexAndTheDJ

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AlexAndTheDJ said:
Would that method work though? With planet rotation and orbits, wouldnt the alignment of barnards loop and the stars in the elite meet video be time specific relative to the position of the planetary body?
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Just going back to this again:

Let's assume that the elite meet video was shot from Paris, France, Earth, instead of an ancient ruin. The sky shows Barnards loop and other stars in a specific position in the sky from Paris at that particular moment in time. But, 4 months later, would the same alignment, in the same position in the sky, be seen from Paris? Or would it be slightly different due to the planets orbit around the sun, and the planets own rotation? Perhaps further overhead? Or maybe not visible at all?

You see what i'm saying here? We may have the right system, but is lining up Barnards Loop in the sky to fit the video the correct way to go?
 

Nick Sticks

Nick Sticks
AlexAndTheDJ said:
Just going back to this again:

Let's assume that the elite meet video was shot from Paris, France, Earth, instead of an ancient ruin. The sky shows Barnards loop and other stars in a specific position in the sky from Paris at that particular moment in time. But, 4 months later, would the same alignment, in the same position in the sky, be seen from Paris? Or would it be slightly different due to the planets orbit around the sun, and the planets own rotation? Perhaps further overhead? Or maybe not visible at all?

You see what i'm saying here? We may have the right system, but is lining up Barnards Loop in the sky to fit the video the correct way to go?
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Yes, I do see what you are saying.
We use the orientation of Barnards Loop and the position of the stars to determine the system location.
After that, the planet where the ruins are supposed to be located will have moved from the original position of the video.
We just have to use Barnards Loop as a guide when on a planets surface.
If it looks right when we are on a planet then it's a possible, otherwise if it just looks wrong then there's less of a chance.
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Once you think you are a planet that looks about right it's a case of doing a lot of looking.
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Glastinghouse

Glastinghouse
AlexAndTheDJ said:
Well, the Alien shipwrecks are very similar to each other. It wouldnt surprise me if ruins were the same.
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There is not yet any connection between the crashed ships and the ruins. Hence an assumption as yours should be avoided.

I'm very sure that the ruins from the teaser and the actual ruins are the same. I'll upload a screenshot from the Synuefe ruins from the same angle etc. soon.

What sense would it make if both ruins would be exactly the same?



Nick Sticks said:
Well, you would hope that if there are two ruins that they would be different, or at least have different erosion.
But we have the same Barnacles and alien ship crash layouts so we could at least expect the same in game assets to be used for another ruin site.
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Barnacles and the crashed ships are organic (in this case) -> Humans are organic and they look almost exactly the same.
Ruins are not organic -> Buildings etc. are not organic but look similar, yet very different depending on era, region, materials and so on.
You see what I mean? I'm quite sure that FD puts a bit more effort in the game than just recycling assets.
 
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Nick Sticks

Nick Sticks
Glastinghouse said:
There is not yet any connection between the crashed ships and the ruins. Hence an assumption as yours should be avoided.

I'm very sure that the ruins from the teaser and the actual ruins are the same. I'll upload a screenshot from the Synuefe ruins from the same angle etc. soon.

What sense would it make if both ruins would be exactly the same?





Barnacles and the crashed ships are organic (in this case) -> Humans are organic and they look almost exactly the same.
Ruins are not organic -> Buildings etc. are not organic but look similar, yet very different depending on era, region, materials and so on.
You see what I mean? I'm quite sure that FD puts a bit more effort in the game than just recycling assets.
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I would agree with you but, are not the alien ship's crashed in exactly the same manner and position with the v shaped rubble?
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