Theory but one that I personally share. I at least believe that it is possible that there are systems that are not on the map but might appear in the Nav panel once you get close enough to them. Simply because something is possible though does not mean that it actually exists. One of the things we looked for during the Cassiopeia Project was systems that might not appear on the Galaxy Map. We had zero luck.
So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)
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Theory but one that I personally share. I at least believe that it is possible that there are systems that are not on the map but might appear in the Nav panel once you get close enough to them. Simply because something is possible though does not mean that it actually exists. One of the things we looked for during the Cassiopeia Project was systems that might not appear on the Galaxy Map. We had zero luck.
Ah, so no one has found an actual example of this in game yet?
Still, it’s a rather interesting concept. Maybe I should take a second look at my map’s search areas, what might look like empty space to me on the galaxy map might actual have something there that only shows up on the ship’s nav panel. I’d never even considered that possibility before…
Masheikh Scytale
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Yep, since post #5712 from Jaiotu I am systematically trying to find such a system, one which would appear in the NavPanel but not in the GalMap. No luck neither. (H&S, Rift and beyooooooond .....)
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I think maybe once we find "It" in the Rift then that will be what provides the permit to Bovomit.
On one hand, at first it sounds like a silly notion, systems existing in the game which aren’t on the galaxy map. However, the more I contemplate it the more I really wonder if they ARE out there. “Dark” systems so to speak, maybe a system without a main star?
Take Drew’s clues about the FR mystery:
Drew Wagar said:
Truthfully, a “dark” system would fulfill all of these criteria. “Depends entirely on who goes looking” could mean that only commanders who are actively scanning the nav panel while searching would even see it. “All you need is wanderlust, patience and an ability to read between the lines” fits too, as you would certainly need patience to go out searching while constantly monitoring the nav panel, and reading between the lines could simply mean between the lines in the nav panel list.
Huh.
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Indeed, this would be a good in-game solution to "dark systems", although in the books they were starless systems that could be used as intermediary jump stops once they had been mapped.
However is there a practicable way to test this in-game? I guess you could step through the systems showing in the nav panel, selecting each in turn & seeing if that system is also highlighted in the galmap; however that sounds like a good way to get RSI of the wrist/thumb as well as being exceedingly tedious.
Masheikh Scytale
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Well, as I said I come doing so for some time and not so tedious in sectors where systems are quite sparse.
Masheikh Scytale
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That would need having Horizons ....
My prefered but unlikely theory is : You have to cross the Seven Veils before accessing the Underworld ... (Jump "there" then "there" 7 times in a specific sequence untill you reach.....) [wacko]
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excuse for my english I mean blow up ships of unknown origin in a POI in a system
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Masheikh Scytale
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Mine is even worse I bet ... [uhh]
Even if probably the "solution" itself won't directly reqiure horizons to be accessed, it can be that horizon will be required to discover it.
Drew already said that Horizon is not required but "helps", meaning that at least one CMDR must have it to progress the riddles.
You can see that dinasty beacons lead to planetary bases, so even if those planetary bases are not the end of the mistery, they'll probably be required to advance our researches.
Might probably be better to quit this "horizon not needed" attitude, it comes for very old posts and has not been confirmed recently. Also for me it's not fun metagame: "dev said i don't need horizon so i completly exclude everything on planets".
Masheikh Scytale
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IMHO, he clearly said one single CMDR can figure it out. And IIRC Braben said you only need a pen and a paper. But I might remeber wrongly...
Well, I would think that the dark system’s name (if they even exist) on the nav panel would be something obviously odd, something so different as to grab attention, maybe “UNKOWN SYSTEM” for example.
From a Stellar Cartography point of view, the system names on our galaxy map are assigned by humans, the names represent systems in the ships database given to stars which can be observed because they are points of light in the sky or because they have great mass which can be measured from far away. A dark system wouldn’t have any such name assigned to it because without the light nor large mass of a main star, Stellar Cartography wouldn’t even know it existed. The ship’s sensors detect systems around us in flight and then names them on the nav panel via pulling names from the database based on our position. Now, if the ship were to detect something for which it had no name for it’s positional data, how would it label such a system? I’d like to think the name would stand out as something very different than the mapped stars around it. If it’s just a normal system name then we’ll never find any possible dark systems, LOL.
Heck, for that matter dark systems might even actually SHOW on the gal map, but without a visible star there you’d probably hardly ever notice it unless you moused directly over it, or unless you plotted a route that just happened to use it. As if our gal maps just always had the filter for “dark systems” turned off without any way to turn it on, heh.
Of course, they might not exist at all either…..
Since I'm relatively new to the party, I appreciate reading thoughts on the clues discovered already. I've been on my way back to the bubble to sell my data and re-equip, but you all are making me want to turn around again. If it weren't for the fact that I know others have already searched...
The idea of looking for systems that show on the nav panel but not in the galactic map has not filled me with enthusiasm, both from the point of view of RSI and using the "but I wouldn't do that to the players if I were FD" argument, but if the system names did stand out, it wouldn't seem completely hopeless, especially in a sparse area.
Following the "what would I do" line of thinking, another way to create a sense of shock and awe might be to create systems marked as "normal" stars on the galactic map, but replace a G2 star with black hole, neutron star, or something worse when a ship actually jumps there. At least with that approach, you'd help ensure that a lucky/unlucky commander noticed it when they arrived. I don't know whether hiding a system with a false entry or no entry would be sneakier. Has this thought come up before?
The idea of looking for systems that show on the nav panel but not in the galactic map has not filled me with enthusiasm, both from the point of view of RSI and using the "but I wouldn't do that to the players if I were FD" argument, but if the system names did stand out, it wouldn't seem completely hopeless, especially in a sparse area.
Following the "what would I do" line of thinking, another way to create a sense of shock and awe might be to create systems marked as "normal" stars on the galactic map, but replace a G2 star with black hole, neutron star, or something worse when a ship actually jumps there. At least with that approach, you'd help ensure that a lucky/unlucky commander noticed it when they arrived. I don't know whether hiding a system with a false entry or no entry would be sneakier. Has this thought come up before?
These were my thoughts. You can't go through every entry in the nav panel and search for it in the galaxy map. It just wouldn't be possible to find.
But if there was a system in the nav panel with an unusual name that caught someone's eye, that would make it possible to find.
A nav panel lable of "unknown system" would be a good way to implement the mechanism of identifying of a dark system; however for this to work you are, I think, assuming that the nav panel is populated from ship sensor detections that are compared with the UC database. Do ship sensors detect out to 20ly? I don't think so, the max sensor module range I've bought was 5A and had only about 6km range. I think the nav panel is just populated by filtering the galmap database for systems within a 20ly range of current ship position and then presenting in range order.
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Masheikh Scytale
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Is it common/consistent to find System Defence Forces Vipers parked with the hatch open near a crashed smuggler's ship in the Rift ?
Do THEY have space legs ? [sour]
Do Thargs or whatever take human narcs ???
Do THEY have space legs ? [sour]
Do Thargs or whatever take human narcs ???
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One theory for finding such a dark systems...
Systems are usually named systematically, so if there is a blahblah system x11 a4-1, blahblah system x11 a4-3, blahblah system x11 a4-4, but not blahblah system x11 a4-2, this may be a sign to try and find a way to jump to it.
Unless said systems are dev-named. In which case they'd be easier to spot on the nav panel...
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