It was used as a form of oppression and to 'label' the different sections of society.So is "the car".
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General / Off-Topic Identity checks in polling stations ? The project does not please to the British
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That's a good one. Too bad I can't rep you.
Well, since we're running out of fuel globally, it might be time to go back to a german-french cooperation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_bicycle
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So was the car. And the star. And the color yellow. And nowadays the iPhone and ... is there anything not used for that?
If we want to talk "labels" .. during my time in the English North, I usually told people in casual conversation I was dutch (when they noticed my weird accent but couldn't quite pin where it's from).
Telling them I was german usually ended any conversation abruptly.
Hm.
And in regards to the topic at hand .. what's so ideological about the concept of having a document that allows you to easiely identify youself upon request without giving everyone else (including the state) the means to identify you without your knowledge?
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Forget about voter fraud, until we move to a PR system of voting the government is decided by about 20,000* votes only anyway.
No government will implement it because it is not in their interest.
I can kind of see why I am losing the will to vote.
*don't know the actual figure but it is a lot less than you imagine.
No government will implement it because it is not in their interest.
I can kind of see why I am losing the will to vote.
*don't know the actual figure but it is a lot less than you imagine.
She's our prime minister's hand picked "consultant" who entered politics for one term to push through this State Capture agenda. She's in many ways like gender flipped a clone of the PM. A prolific but mediocre business person juggling millions (tens of millions) hidden behind complex financial instruments. They both think that the state can be manged like a company now that they managed to win an election. Good luck to the US btw, this is what they can expect, only on a more grand scale.
A free ID card ? (as in other countries)
Yeah. That free ID card we have as Brits...
...lol.
A free ID card ? (as in other countries)
I think that when identification is a requirement for fundamental services in a country then something like an ID card should be very cheap at the least, but preferably be free (paid for out of taxes).
Well I'm British and I couldn't give a flying pancake about this, but then in the 29 years I've been able to vote I have voted all of once, dont do politics all as bad as each other, so no im not upset. Adding to that, I now live in Sweden and dont really care who is currently running the country into the ground be it Labour or the Tories. But I do understand why the British public would be upset over this, we dont all read the Daily Mail.
Yup, and that is the problem. If we want to vote and don't own a home etc. you are required to fork out a minimum £60 or whatever it is now for a provisional driving license. While I don't condone filthy sponges, that can be over a week's living funds for someone legitimately on benefits.
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With the logo "Made in Great Britain"
Only if we can paint targets on the foreheads of all Americans...
Since the Brexit, you can say it
Fat chance! I'll be six feet under before we've actually left the EU
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Only if we can paint targets on the foreheads of all Americans...
Ah it is the famous special relationship between the UK and the USA ?
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...that one!
For the most part, it's a scathing relationship based on love and snide mockery
I love them really, but if we're getting bar codes...
Fat chance! I'll be six feet under before we've actually left the EU
Why ? You have a cancer and are condemned in the 2 years which come ?
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Why ? You have a cancer and are condemned in the 2 years which come ?
2 years once triggered. And right now we are less triggered than Nugget Farage at a hate rally.
*chuckles* poor Edgar. No nest, too many chicks on the go, wants his opinion heard...
let's look at this logically.
voter ID of any kind is only of use in preventing in person voter fraud i.e. turning up and pretending to be somebody else who is entitled to vote.
First you need to know the name and address of a person registered to vote at a given polling station.
Then you need to walk in, say you are that person and vote.
You then need to repeat this for every single vote you are going to steal.
This will require either a lot of disguises or a lot of different people (increasing your chance of being caught).
And after all your efforts, you might have stolen a dozen votes in one poling station or maybe 1 vote in a dozen polling stations.
Should any of the real people turn up to vote, your scam is exposed.
Should a polling worker recognise you, your scam is exposed.
In person voter fraud is a very inefficient way to rig an election and it is the only thing that ID will prevent. even then, the use of a utility bill (easily obtained) means the "ID" is pretty much worthless.
Things like postal vote fraud, inaccurate electoral rolls, voter intimidation and the integrity of the staff and system (ballot stuffing, missing boxes, etc) are far more important than in person voter fraud.
But ID requirements do prevent people who are entitled to vote voting.
How do you vote if you are a poor 19 year old kid, never travelled abroad (no passport), can't afford a car (no driving licence) lives with mum (no utility bills)?
You could provide a free voter ID card, but how is that different from registering on the electoral roll?
The problem is very small, and the proposed solution will have side effects out of proportion to the problem it solves.
voter ID of any kind is only of use in preventing in person voter fraud i.e. turning up and pretending to be somebody else who is entitled to vote.
First you need to know the name and address of a person registered to vote at a given polling station.
Then you need to walk in, say you are that person and vote.
You then need to repeat this for every single vote you are going to steal.
This will require either a lot of disguises or a lot of different people (increasing your chance of being caught).
And after all your efforts, you might have stolen a dozen votes in one poling station or maybe 1 vote in a dozen polling stations.
Should any of the real people turn up to vote, your scam is exposed.
Should a polling worker recognise you, your scam is exposed.
In person voter fraud is a very inefficient way to rig an election and it is the only thing that ID will prevent. even then, the use of a utility bill (easily obtained) means the "ID" is pretty much worthless.
Things like postal vote fraud, inaccurate electoral rolls, voter intimidation and the integrity of the staff and system (ballot stuffing, missing boxes, etc) are far more important than in person voter fraud.
But ID requirements do prevent people who are entitled to vote voting.
How do you vote if you are a poor 19 year old kid, never travelled abroad (no passport), can't afford a car (no driving licence) lives with mum (no utility bills)?
You could provide a free voter ID card, but how is that different from registering on the electoral roll?
The problem is very small, and the proposed solution will have side effects out of proportion to the problem it solves.
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Ao a piece of paper mailed to you is sufficient proof? In the same way that utility bills at easy to steal so would this be.
Go to any block of flats, and go through the piles of post left in the lobby to get utility bills and polling cards.
As I said, inperson voting fraud is very rare because it is so inefficient. ID requirements are a sledgehammer to crack a nut, a sledgehammer that conveniently helps the conservatives.
The security of our voting system is important but things like postal fraud, religious or community leaders coercing voters etc are far more pressing issues.