Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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I believe the Unknown Probes are Oresian with the latest Hyperdictions and are related to those alien vessels (the reddish and murky brown colours are consistent with one another) - this may explain why no one is being Hyperdicted when carrying an Unknown Probe, even if they are also carrying an Unknown Artefact. This could be a huge hint.

aaah that's not true,
my encounter happened when i had ONLY an UP in my hold :S

since that i grabbed 2 additional UA's and since 60 jumps no further happening
 
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Artefact is blue not green.

Ship has two sides, maybe the crash site we're looking at the back.

I'll settle for turquoise - but they are defo not blue, lol.

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aaah that's not true,
my encounter happened when i had ONLY an UP in my hold :S

since that i grabbed 2 additional UA's and since 60 jumps no further happening

Have you told the guys who run the thread yet and provided screen shots or video of it? At the moment it says no one has successfully been Hyperdicted carrying a UP yet :(
 
I agree, the centre of the crashed ships compared to these ships are different:

Crash Site Example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NY12XLDqC2U/maxresdefault.jpg

First Contact Example:

http://i.imgur.com/bRquJWl.jpg

These are both clearly different... (and I'm sure if we all analyze the 8 wings hard enough, we will see subtle differences in shape and colour).

I think these are both Thargoid (as a race, but one (I think) is Klaxian, and the other is Oresian - these will be Ethnically different (Caucasian, Asian; for a more 'human' example).

This also raises another possibility;

If the Crash Sites are Klaxian, then they must be related somehow to the Unknown Artefacts. After all, one Crash Site has 3 or 4 Unknown Artefacts scattered around (right next to) the crashed alien ship...

So I propose this hypothesis;

Klaxian technology is related to the Unknown Artefacts.

Oresian technology is related to the Unknown Probes.

This could be vice-versa, of course, but considering the Unknown Artefacts are scattered around the subtly different looking (and only green-glowing) crashed alien ship, and not probes, it must mean we are dealing with two ethnically different types of Thargoids.

Both the Unknown Probes and the new alien ship encounter disable us in exactly the same way - they power down our ships (or at least disable our cockpits, because shields are never lost nor need to reboot - this in itself means disabling our means of control is more of a way of pacifying us just for the short term - it is not an aggressive act, albeit, even if we see it that way).

Both the Artefacts and Probes look very different;

Probe:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...n_Probe.png/revision/latest?cb=20160819052516

Artefact:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net...act_001.png/revision/latest?cb=20150504171012

Pay close attention to the colouring! Now compare the colours of the probes to that of the Crash Sites and then the one being seen during the Hyperdiction!

I believe the Unknown Probes are Oresian with the latest Hyperdictions and are related to those alien vessels (the reddish and murky brown colours are consistent with one another) - this may explain why no one is being Hyperdicted when carrying an Unknown Probe, even if they are also carrying an Unknown Artefact. This could be a huge hint.

Now look at the Unknown Artefact - then check out the colours and glows of green on both the Artefact and that of the alien wreckage...

They match.

The Barnacles? I also think they are related to the Unknown Probes and the living ships Hyperdicting everyone - they specifically HEAL space stations with Meta-Alloys that they produce, and may in fact be something the Oresians use to protect themselves against the Klaxians... who could be returning, and the "good" aliens know they are coming...

The evidence indicates that the crash ships and encounter ships are the same - the difference you're seeing in the two images is just because you're looking at the 'top' in the shot from the encounter whereas what you're looking at in the shot from the crash is the 'bottom'.

Covered this and loads more here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=4978405&viewfull=1#post4978405
 
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I agree, the centre of the crashed ships compared to these ships are different:

Crash Site Example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NY12XLDqC2U/maxresdefault.jpg

First Contact Example:

http://i.imgur.com/bRquJWl.jpg

These are both clearly different... (and I'm sure if we all analyze the 8 wings hard enough, we will see subtle differences in shape and colour).

I think these are both Thargoid (as a race, but one (I think) is Klaxian, and the other is Oresian - these will be Ethnically different (Caucasian, Asian; for a more 'human' example).

This also raises another possibility;

If the Crash Sites are Klaxian, then they must be related somehow to the Unknown Artefacts. After all, one Crash Site has 3 or 4 Unknown Artefacts scattered around (right next to) the crashed alien ship...

So I propose this hypothesis;

Klaxian technology is related to the Unknown Artefacts.

Oresian technology is related to the Unknown Probes.

This could be vice-versa, of course, but considering the Unknown Artefacts are scattered around the subtly different looking (and only green-glowing) crashed alien ship, and not probes, it must mean we are dealing with two ethnically different types of Thargoids.

Both the Unknown Probes and the new alien ship encounter disable us in exactly the same way - they power down our ships (or at least disable our cockpits, because shields are never lost nor need to reboot - this in itself means disabling our means of control is more of a way of pacifying us just for the short term - it is not an aggressive act, albeit, even if we see it that way).

Both the Artefacts and Probes look very different;

Probe:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...n_Probe.png/revision/latest?cb=20160819052516

Artefact:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net...act_001.png/revision/latest?cb=20150504171012

Pay close attention to the colouring! Now compare the colours of the probes to that of the Crash Sites and then the one being seen during the Hyperdiction!

I believe the Unknown Probes are Oresian with the latest Hyperdictions and are related to those alien vessels (the reddish and murky brown colours are consistent with one another) - this may explain why no one is being Hyperdicted when carrying an Unknown Probe, even if they are also carrying an Unknown Artefact. This could be a huge hint.

Now look at the Unknown Artefact - then check out the colours and glows of green on both the Artefact and that of the alien wreckage...

They match.

The Barnacles? I also think they are related to the Unknown Probes and the living ships Hyperdicting everyone - they specifically HEAL space stations with Meta-Alloys that they produce, and may in fact be something the Oresians use to protect themselves against the Klaxians... who could be returning, and the "good" aliens know they are coming...

the cockpit is the top part of the ship. the crashsite only shows the bottom
 
The evidence indicates that the crash ships and encounter ships are the same - the difference you're seeing in the two images is just because you're looking at the 'top' in the shot from the encounter whereas what you're looking at in the shot from the crash is the 'bottom'.

Covered this and loads more here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=4978405&viewfull=1#post4978405

I honestly think the colours and glows of the two ships are too different for them to be the same.

Remember, from what little Canon evidence we have on the Thargoids, there are several different types of Thargoids - but they are not the same, and the same can be said for their ships (would seem logical).

In the videos, the beam of energy it "shoots" us with (I've had it happen to me) are also yellowish in colour - not anything green like what we'd expect after Braben's interview last year when the first sight of an alien ship in space showed us smouldering wrecks with green plasma fires everywhere (especially on the Cobra in the background).

The ships we are seeing Hyperdicting people have hints of red, brown, and yellow (the laz0r) - all of these colours are missing at the Crash Sites, except one: green. Lots and lots of green, just like the UAs.

Good work in your post btw :)
 
Looking at the Galnet Article posted yesterday this bit stood out for me

""Even today, hyperspace remains poorly understood. Many pilots have reported glimpsing inexplicable lights, and even structures, within the witch-space tunnels. It may be centuries before all of its mysteries are unravelled.""

A clue to something upcoming?
 
I agree, the centre of the crashed ships compared to these ships are different:

Crash Site Example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NY12XLDqC2U/maxresdefault.jpg

First Contact Example:

http://i.imgur.com/bRquJWl.jpg

These are both clearly different... (and I'm sure if we all analyze the 8 wings hard enough, we will see subtle differences in shape and colour).

I think these are both Thargoid (as a race, but one (I think) is Klaxian, and the other is Oresian - these will be Ethnically different (Caucasian, Asian; for a more 'human' example).

This also raises another possibility;

If the Crash Sites are Klaxian, then they must be related somehow to the Unknown Artefacts. After all, one Crash Site has 3 or 4 Unknown Artefacts scattered around (right next to) the crashed alien ship...

So I propose this hypothesis;

Klaxian technology is related to the Unknown Artefacts.

Oresian technology is related to the Unknown Probes.

This could be vice-versa, of course, but considering the Unknown Artefacts are scattered around the subtly different looking (and only green-glowing) crashed alien ship, and not probes, it must mean we are dealing with two ethnically different types of Thargoids.

Both the Unknown Probes and the new alien ship encounter disable us in exactly the same way - they power down our ships (or at least disable our cockpits, because shields are never lost nor need to reboot - this in itself means disabling our means of control is more of a way of pacifying us just for the short term - it is not an aggressive act, albeit, even if we see it that way).

Both the Artefacts and Probes look very different;

Probe:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...n_Probe.png/revision/latest?cb=20160819052516

Artefact:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net...act_001.png/revision/latest?cb=20150504171012

Pay close attention to the colouring! Now compare the colours of the probes to that of the Crash Sites and then the one being seen during the Hyperdiction!

I believe the Unknown Probes are Oresian with the latest Hyperdictions and are related to those alien vessels (the reddish and murky brown colours are consistent with one another) - this may explain why no one is being Hyperdicted when carrying an Unknown Probe, even if they are also carrying an Unknown Artefact. This could be a huge hint.

Now look at the Unknown Artefact - then check out the colours and glows of green on both the Artefact and that of the alien wreckage...

They match.

The Barnacles? I also think they are related to the Unknown Probes and the living ships Hyperdicting everyone - they specifically HEAL space stations with Meta-Alloys that they produce, and may in fact be something the Oresians use to protect themselves against the Klaxians... who could be returning, and the "good" aliens know they are coming...

Is it possible that on 1st screenshot is an alien butt and 2nd is his face? I'm pretty sure that's the way it is.
 
So another observation I made re watching the videos. Taking in the theory that there might be two sides of thargoids and this thing is only here to remove the enemy thargoids "artifacts", those yellow things are some sort of tentacle that can bend space and time to its will. It has the ability to remove UA's from your ship without physical bounds and additionally when it leaves and opens its wormhole it uses them again, but if you watch closely it's almost as if it's using them to stretch and bend space to its will. Almost like how we would use our hands to dig a hole in the ground, its using these tentacles to open a portal to witch space and potentially a different dimension.
 
So another observation I made re watching the videos. Taking in the theory that there might be two sides of thargoids and this thing is only here to remove the enemy thargoids "artifacts", those yellow things are some sort of tentacle that can bend space and time to its will. It has the ability to remove UA's from your ship without physical bounds and additionally when it leaves and opens its wormhole it uses them again, but if you watch closely it's almost as if it's using them to stretch and bend space to its will. Almost like how we would use our hands to dig a hole in the ground, its using these tentacles to open a portal to witch space and potentially a different dimension.

but they dont take the UAs away? They are still in your hold after the encounter.
 
but they dont take the UAs away? They are still in your hold after the encounter.

Ya, one thing about the encounter i find interesting when the "Scan" is happening the star-field starts moving like you ship is going in reverse. I am not sure what to make of this, but the possibilities are unsettling.
 
Hi all still trying to catch up so i dont know if this has been spotted.
i have been going through the interdiction vids that are up all of them i think and one had something ive not seen in the others could be the angle of the shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYmbwx7n6Ys
Go to 1 min 53-54 secs just before the jump bubble opens up it looks like the "thargoid" ship fires something straight ahead.
is this how it jumps fires a missile that open a bubble and then passes through it.
Gonna go back and see if it is in any other vids

It's in a few but more obvious in some- think it might be the "tendrils" that are apparent when it scans a ship but side on so not lit by the yellow light. Some form of ray perhaps?
 
These are not thargoids! Or at least the kind were used to. I think there Oresians from Drews lore page "Thargoids are divided into more than one group. We know of the Oresians and the Klaxians." I dont remember where I read it but i heard the Oresians are Red. BUT! The one in the trailer is green. the one we have seen is red. and it makes sense that its not shot at us because according to Drews lore... "There was also another race mentioned in “The Dark Wheel”, known as the Oresrians. These were portrayed as a peaceful offset of the Thargoids, but very similar in overall appearance, albeit with a warning to Commanders to “Check the thorax markings and the shape of the fourth joint on each hind leg before jumping to conclusions.” so... these are friendly they gotta be

EDIT: ADD ON TO THAT! UNKNOWN ARTIFACT IS THREAT LEVEL FOUR! UNKNOWN PROBE (Which is also red) IS THREAT LEVEL 2

I concur that these are not Thargoids. Thargoids would have attacked and destroyed on sight. From the little evidence we have so far (reports of repaired canopies, fuel topped up, UAs (which are corrosive/toxic) taken, shots in the back not returned, no hostile act at all despite relative invulnerability to human weapons so they could have easily destroyed the interdicted ship at each & every occasion leaving no witnesses-which would have been the obvious thing to do if they were hostile scouts) these are friendly aliens. Moreover they sing and repair damage done by UAs, so I think it is becoming evident what these aliens are. They are the Guardians (the title of version 2.2) that repaired Jaques after his misjump and rescued Halsey. She referred to them as the architects of creation, so I wonder if they have some link to the history of human development.
 
I think the jury is still out on this one. Multiple documented cases where there were items missing from cargo holds after the encounter.

I have been hyperdicted twice and neither time did anything get taken from my hold. I still have the same 3 in my hold from both encounters. They are still there. In fact everything else that I had is still there as well.

So I am wondering if its a glitch on the games fault or someone who is over excited reading too far into it. I was not able to get interdicted again today otherwise I would have had a third example of them not taking anything.

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I concur that these are not Thargoids. Thargoids would have attacked and destroyed on sight. From the little evidence we have so far (reports of repaired canopies, fuel topped up, UAs (which are corrosive/toxic) taken, shots in the back not returned, no hostile act at all despite relative invulnerability to human weapons so they could have easily destroyed the interdicted ship at each & every occasion leaving no witnesses-which would have been the obvious thing to do if they were hostile scouts) these are friendly aliens. Moreover they sing and repair damage done by UAs, so I think it is becoming evident what these aliens are. They are the Guardians (the title of version 2.2) that repaired Jaques after his misjump and rescued Halsey. She referred to them as the architects of creation, so I wonder if they have some link to the history of human development.

Thargoids are not humans. Revenge may not be part of their thought pattern. Who knows how time works in witchspace. It could have been millennia for them between their last perceived encounter with humans. Who knows. They are thargoids of some kind either the klaxians or the oresians. Either way an 8 sided organic ship without visual means of propulsion fits these things to a T.
 
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