Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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IceFire122

IceFire122
krisuus said:
When I tried the systematic approach yesterday, going through all obelisks in a certain order with a set of items, one run took about 10-15 minutes. I could swear that the first obelisk I had scanned was still off after I got back to the start.
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There has to be a way to reactivate the Obelisks w/o changing combinations.
Otherwise, keeping one item combination in the SRV, sticking in front of one obelisk and playing the logging game would yield quicker results, as at some point, the obelisk combination fits your hold key.
 

DustyArne

DustyArne
Maybe we need to activate all pillars with the relics still in it to activate some other device..

Or to enable some other set of opportunities for scanning the obelisks. .
 

Deinonychus2012

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Factabulous said:
Is the allocation of the credit reward to the mission more reliable than the messaging? I've been checking for that going up and it seems more reliable.
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I second this. Anytime I get a "mission critical message" alert but no message, I check my reward balance. If it went up, relogging gives me the new data. However, if I don't get a mission alert, I assume that the scan didn't complete properly and thus consider the results of that combo inconclusive.
 
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IceFire122

IceFire122
straha20 said:
I did bring this suspicion up many pages ago, and I can see the possible value in it...it is a high value mission for the players who are thinking in terms of credits. At least this way, there is no final cheat sheet possible. While the community can find the locations, each commander will have to put in time and effort and figure out their own combinations.
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I have no issue with the combination changes per se. Changing combinations for each player are a good idea. But changing combinations for each unlocking try is not a good idea, As it boils down the solution to RNG luck instead of thinking.

If each Obelisk can have 5*5+5=30 combinations, the chances for finding the right one in one try are 3,33%. That is of course, if it is completely random and not weighted.
 

Lazerus Artificial

Lazerus Artificial
To be honest, by now i dont think that the ship was thargoid. or it was and the guardians are thargoid.
the clues are just way too convenient, it would be too weird to introduce TWO new aliens at the same time

One part was red-skinned (UP)
One was green-skinned (UA)
They didnt use Rocket-Propelled drives, instead magnetics (US has an anknown propulsion tech)
They were basically Ecos, treehuggers, organic tech (US is organic)
They used gel capsules for transport (UA, UP and US all look like they have that)
They used biological weapons (UA "eats" our ships - a virus?)
3 Ark ships - 3 known crash sites
...
and i bet there are more similarities to come

i just dont know about the "visual language" part, maybe the beam?
 
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Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
Can someone test a hypothesis i have.

Orb - Technological Data (Epsilon)
Casket - Historical Data (Gamma)
Tablet - Language Data (Delta)
Urn - Biological Data (Alpha)
Totem - Cultural Data (Beta)

We don't seem to do get do over's once a data packet has been collected. If i scan a Server with a combination once and get a possitive result... doing it again just gets a negative response from the Mission giver, even though it was a possitive the first time.

I have in my data collection. the below two examples.

Casket/Urn
Server 2 - 8/21 (history)

Orb/Tablet
Server 2 - 7/20 (tecnologic)

If you do not have these Data segments already can you try server 2 with Orb and Casket and see if you get both data packets 8/21 (history) and 7/20 (tecnologic) together.

this way we can confirm if there is a correlation between the artifact and the server for specific data types.
 
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Jintosh

Jintosh
Vasco Sapien said:
Can someone test a hypothesis i have.

Orb - Technological Data (Epsilon)
Casket - Historical Data (Gamma)
Tablet - Language Data (Delta)
Urn - Biological Data (Alpha)
Totem - Cultural Data (Beta)

We don't seem to do get do over's once a data packet has been collected. If i scan a Server with a combination once and get a possitive result... doing it again just gets a negative response from the Mission giver, even though it was a possitive the first time.

I have in my data collection. the below two examples.

Casket/Urn
Server 2 - 8/21 (history)

Orb/Tablet
Server 2 - 7/20 (tecnologic)

If you do not have these Data segments already can you try server 2 with Orb and Casket and see if you get both data packets 8/21 (history) and 7/20 (tecnologic) together.

this way we can confirm if there is a correlation between the artifact and the server for specific data types.
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I have the same type of result for Urn (bio), Orb (tech) and Casket (hist), so I would think you're right for the other two
 

VeNoM56k

VeNoM56k
Ive seen obelisk's light up that are not on the map on the front page. Has anyone counted every single obelisk in the ruins? Perhaps they each light up at different times, and every single one needs to be scanned with different combos of items to complete the mission. For instance, I have noted 3 different obelisk's lighting up for me at the top center circle of the ruins, yet only one is numbered on the map. Perhaps they all have data.

Edit* after scanning the third active obelisk on the top center circle a fourth has become active a few minutes after. perhaps after you scan, it cycles to the next.

Edit 2* I got DCed from the game, logged back in and a 2 new obelisks are now active on the top center circle.
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Osla said:
http://i.imgur.com/HdCpmuC.png

I did notice when I was at the Ruins before, at the right time the orbiting moon lines up very well with the largest circular mound,
If you were to drive up the slope as you see on the right and stop about half way down the path before reaching the circular mounds centre,
the orbiting moon will slowly position directly above it, it caught my attention because the mound, the three metallic structures, and the moon at that time look the correct size to be a possible alignment.

I did wonder there could be something at the ruins that can only be done or seen at a certain time.
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A thought occurs, which may be rather stupid, but I don't suppose this moon is one of the Guardian ark ships? And following on from that, if this could be a ship then could Merope 5C also be a ship? That could explain perhaps why the UPs and UAs are so interested in Merope/5C.
 

Zieman

Zieman
CMDR Arguendo said:
Nice pic! Definetely worth some rep.

Seeing that image, I immediately start to wonder why there are more than one of each ancient object. Is there a reason for their layout, or is it completely random? Also, does it matter where you picked up the object (ie. would the orb in the "south" yield different results from using one of the orbs in the "north-west")?
If the latter question is applicable, we have a lot more than the 40-some possible combinations previously calculated.
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This is something I've been wondering too.
 

Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
Jintosh said:
I have the same type of result for Urn (bio), Orb (tech) and Casket (hist), so I would think you're right for the other two
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But i want to see if we can get both results at once.

If we have two Relics in our SRV and scan a server, we get one result. But what if we scan the right server with both correct related relics..

A history/Tech Server with History/Tech Relics.

Do we get two results.

Could be a way to shortcut the mission for other players if we can compile a list of relic pairs with the right server.
And maybe figure out a grander pattern.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
It would be really, really good if, when different obelisks light up, for someone who spots it to take a screenshot for proof :)

Reason being, I continually get halfway through the obelisks, get an adjunct server error and have to relog (usually not in the state the game crashed in... I'll be in a previous position with maybe no cargo in the SRV hold, but instead returned to my ship.

If there's a mechanic that relies on us *not* relogging, then that bug is breaking the mission for me.
 
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Lalna_Rocks

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What happened to the map of the ruins on the front page? Could someone send it to me i just need it so i can see where everything spawns. Also where does the totem spawn?
 

Owsla

Owsla
Vasco Sapien said:
Lost knowledge does not mean advanced knowledge.

There are plenty of legitimate archaeologists who would argue for the methods used to build the pyramids being perfectly placed given the technolgy known to be available at the time.

The problem is that no complete records or blue prints remain from that time to give complete quick capsule evidence of how they were built. What we know has been pieced together from centuries of study.

This vacuum of absolute fact derived from absolute evidence over time has obviously given room for wild speculation and urban legend to develope. Tall tails ranging from Atlantis to Extraterrestrials.

Many legitimate archaeologists would argue very strongly that we have a good idea how of they were built. And yes we could build the same structures today using modern technology, when you look at structures like the Hoover dam and the Channel Tunnel.

Its also easy to forget that the Ancient egyptians were not the only culture to build pyramids, many ancient cultures did and for one good reason.. It's the easiest and most energy efficient structure to construct given the building materials available at the time. Wide foot print, that gets smaller and lighter the higher it goes.

Mountains and hills are not cubes... Gravity forces them to become mounds. They naturally find equilibrium.

We are off topic.


So back to more pressing matters..

Aliens!!! in space!!

....in a game.....
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I did think this might go off topic once I mentioned it as a comment.

The most staggering thing about the Great Pyramid of Giza isn't the fact that it's just a huge pyramid made of stone,
it's the way it was precisely built on the outside AND the inside.
It's vastly different to the simpler step style pyramids in mexico
I can't find the documentary from uk tv, I'm looking for on youtube.

Basically one of the worlds leading architects of high rise buildings went in to the Great Pyramid,
at first he was being fairly normal about the structure, amazed, but fairly normal.. but when he saw the Grand Gallery in the center of the pyramid, his mind was blown.

One of the worlds leading experts on high rise construction, shook his head, he was completely lost for words, he didn't know how it could have been done.
The slightest miscalculation in that part of the pyramid would have brought the whole thing to the ground.

It's like building the Hoover Dam, but in such a structurally complex way, that it would be twice as difficult to build.

5000 years ago.
 
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Dergell

Dergell
I have a new theory!
Sorry if someone already had the same idea, but I haven't found anything.

I think we have to group up the obelisks. I think this is why no one could find a pattern and we said every instance has it's own combinations. I think that's wrong. Instead I think it's not important what Obelisk exactly you use. Compare my image (here) with the one from CMDR Straha (here). We got nearly exactly the same data, always with the same items in cargo but from different obelisks. But if you look closely you will see that my source obelisks are always directly next to the one of Straha. That leads me to the conclusion that we have to group the obelisks together.

Here's an example:
I have Historical Data 8 from obelisk 2 with the items casket + tablet. Straha has Historical Data 8 with the same items but from obelisk 1.
I have Historical Data 12 from obelisk 3 with the items casket + orb. Straha has Historical Data 12 with the same items but from obelisk 4.
When did we get the data? After we scanned the second obelisk of each group. While I had the casket and the tablet I first scanned obelisk 1 and then 2. After that I got the data and of course entered it in the obelisk 2 column. I believe Straha had the same objects but first scanned obelisk 2 and then obelisk 1. Then he got the data and entered it in the column of obelisk 1.

You see? The data doesn't come from one of the two obelisks, but from the second one if scanned right after another. We now have find the obelisk groups and scanning pattern. Which makes everything much more difficult.

Could that be possible or am I stupid?

Side note: The first scanned obelisk in each group got me the flashing message that immediately disappeared. Maybe that's a hint that we scanned an obelisk with the correct items, but need to find the next one in sequence to get the data.
 

The_Sprite

The_Sprite
Osla said:
I did think this might go off topic once I mentioned it as a comment.

The most staggering thing about the Great Pyramid of Giza isn't the fact that it's just a huge pyramid made of stone,
it's the way it was precisely built on the outside AND the inside.
It's vastly different to the simpler step style pyramids in mexico
I can't find the documentary from uk tv, I'm looking for on youtube.

Basically one of the worlds leading architects of high rise buildings went in to the Great Pyramid,
at first he was being fairly normal about the structure, amazed, but fairly normal.. but when he saw the Grand Gallery in the center of the pyramid, his mind was blown.

One of the worlds leading experts on high rise construction, shook his head, he was completely lost for words, he didn't know how it could have been done.
The slightest miscalculation in that part of the pyramid would have brought the whole thing to the ground.

It's like building the Hoover Dam, but in such a structurally complex way, that it would be twice and difficult to build.

5000 years ago.
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and its the only 8 Sided Pyramid in the world
 

Deinonychus2012

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I'm sitting at over 30 minutes since I scanned this obelisk and it has yet to reactivate. How long have other people had to wait?

Also, I've been watching the clusters of obelisks around numbers 1-4 on this map, yet haven't seen any new ones light up. Do only certain clusters contain new obelisks?

http://i.imgur.com/GXLOkpK.jpg
 
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