Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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I'm not convinced about a single-site being the key. According to Riz's data there are 34 discrete data pieces in the current site, out of 101; which seems to hint at 3 sites.

Well, if their are other ruins then we are all in trouble, because we have no information whatsoever about any other ruin locations, and searching the galaxy by brute force alone isn't anything approaching practical.

I know Michael said it won't be easy to solve, but it has to be possible.
 
Do we know that for sure?
The distortion effect around their drives
could be electromagnetic interference,
so strong it affects and "bends" light.
Yes we do.

Thargoids are known all female.

"Guardians" described as being two-gendered much like us.

Still unclear at all why they're "Guardians" and not just "the ruins aliens" as there's zero whatsoever to suggest any kind of guarding behaviour or nature or anything about them so far which is rather sloppy plotwise.
 
Is there a 'Muppet Guide To Unlocking The Ruins?' thread anywhere?

I'm basically running around like a loon scanning random stuff until something happens. Which isn't particularly useful. Lol
 
Hey guys, I was wondering - for the active obelisk scanning, what is the cooldown time before you can scan again? I've scanned all of them and am back at my first obelisk, and it's been about an hour now. Should I relog? I've heard that relogging will re-randomize all the obelisk scans again so I want to avoid that, but I don't want to wait for hours on end for the thing to become scannable again :p what in general are the rules for this thing as well? I heard about it from a friend and have been following the spreadsheets on the front page and have only made about 5 combinations (all of them already discovered). Playing in solo to minimize lag.

Thanks :)

Waited over an hour in solo, decided to just relog - anyone have timer numbers? :p
 
I'm not convinced about a single-site being the key. According to Riz's data there are 34 discrete data pieces in the current site, out of 101; which seems to hint at 3 sites.
These numbers almost line up with the hex-like light pattern. There are 36 triangles in three different shapes for a total of 108 . These could correspond to active stones. Each large group an artifact site. Since some of the stones are broken it lowers the actual count. And this is represented by the light pattern never lighting some of the triangles. Also might hint on how to get more stones to light up. Two correct combinations may unlock a third, like a pyramid logic structure
 
Notice:
The obelisk has 3 states, not two.
0 - No message when scanning it, just data.
1 - Something can be discovered, but it's not the right combination. You get the message from Ram Tah. Plus data. No Bonus.
2 - You decoded a message. And 1 mill bonus. This Obelisk may return to state 0 or 1 when the message has been collected.

Just sayin'.
I'm taking notes of all the states.
 
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Thargoids were known to use some sort of drive like our FSDs but can operate at every low speeds. so its a gravity drive of sorts.

So the drives work like a "black hole" would, using gravity?
AFAIK black holes can bend light.

Electromagnetic interference bending light to such a degree as to blur almost the entire ship? Bit of a stretch there...
Maybe i am wrong here, and it is rather the gravitational drive
interference.
It is a theory however, it can either be proven or disproven.
 
These numbers almost line up with the hex-like light pattern. There are 36 triangles in three different shapes for a total of 108 . These could correspond to active stones. Each large group an artifact site. Since some of the stones are broken it lowers the actual count. And this is represented by the light pattern never lighting some of the triangles. Also might hint on how to get more stones to light up. Two correct combinations may unlock a third, like a pyramid logic structure

Do the Guardians have a "favorite number"? They like geometric shapes, we know that from the decoded lore, and all their groupings of obelisks suggest they really like Triangles. My theory is that there's more bases that form an equilateral triangle on the planet, or another sort of triangle of star systems in space. If we had a "favorite number" of the culture, then we could use that as a distance parameter of sorts.
 
New theory:
Adjudication server disconnects reset the instance preventing the progression of the obelisks. another player will generally prevent the reset...
 
Bringing this over from the discord. Thanks to Floc, Kaltern, Zenith, and Kal for getting this up to date. And its already being useful as someone was able to report an obelisk that was not one of the original active and give us History 16. Obelisk G8 with Relic + Casket. Needs confirming though.

As we have started to exhaust the "active 15" obelisks at the site. We have decided to move to a new map and spreadsheet that represents every obelisk on site. This way, when new obelisks become active (as they have been in open/pg) we have a way to track them as well. This new map also reflects Zenith's findings that certain groups seem to interact with a specific key artifact.

http://imgur.com/a/27jPg

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...pHDY0ZMl-JtG51tr8-syePTIs/edit#gid=1300441654

Been waiting for someone to do a numbered map with every obelisk on it. Figured someone else would upload one over night. Check A, Obelisk 6, with Orb and Casket Believe that obelisk was the one that gave me Tech 9. Would mark on the spreadsheet, but can't.
 
So the drives work like a "black hole" would, using gravity?
AFAIK black holes can bend light.


Maybe i am wrong here, and it is rather the gravitational drive
interference.
It is a theory however, it can either be proven or disproven.

Nope not a theory (from Drews lore page) "They had no obvious drive outlets as still required on human vessels, leading to speculation that Thargoids had mastered inertialess drive technology, otherwise known as the ‘spacedrive’. It appears that Thargoid technology was significantly more advanced than ours."
 
This is very interesting.

And it makes the "Totem" quite relevant. I would suggest that the "Totem" has something to do with the "Towers" (As they are both "Towers")

Here is an excerpt from this page: read:http://wonderopolis.org/wonder/what-is-a-totem-pole

"Totem poles are sculptures carved from large trees, such as the Western Red Cedar. In North America, totem poles are part of the cultures of many indigenous peoples of Alaska, British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest. Totem poles serve many purposes beyond their beauty, and their meanings are as varied as the cultures that make them.
Some totem poles represent stories or important events. On these poles, each figure on the totem represents part of a story. These totems are used as a way to record the history and legends of the tribes.
Figures on a totem pole are not gods to be worshipped. Instead, they represent traits and characteristics each clan or story embodies.
There are many other types of totem poles. Genealogy poles are erected in front of a family's home to represent the owner's clan or social status. Memorial poles are carved in honor of a deceased clan member. Mortuary poles are also raised in honor of the dead and include a small compartment for the ashes of the deceased.
Another interesting type of totem pole is the shame pole. Shame poles are carved to embarrass and ridicule someone who has done something wrong."

What interests me here is the idea of "Various stories"

Perhaps we can somehow use the "Totem" in conjunction with the "Towers" to activate other "Stories" (Obelisks)? Rather like moving on to the next data set...

What do you guys think?

Gyp.

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To add to this from the front page:

It seems:
Orb - Technological Data (Epsilon)
Casket - Historical Data (Gamma)
Tablet - Language Data (Delta)
Urn - Biological Data (Alpha)

Totem - Cultural Data (Beta)
Cultural Data contains every aspect of a Culture - Technological, Historical, Language and Biological data.

EDIT 2: Possible Clue:

"This data contains details regarding the rise of new technologies. It appears that the development of these technologies varied between clans, creating inequality and, ultimately, conflict. Initially, that conflict was resolved through personal combat between individual champions, but as clans started using numbers to overwhelm their opponents, the practice of warfare began to spread. This led to a surge in weapons development, with biological warfare quickly established as the weapon of choice. An arms race began, focused on the development of biological agents and various counter measures. It saddens me to discover this as I had hoped the Guardians would prove to be more advanced. A little naive I know as conflict is a common element of many species throught the galaxy. Wheather for resources, land or power over others. We all seem to share this shame."

Or another way of looking at it:

"This data contains details regarding the rise of new technologies. It appears that the development of these technologies varied between clans, creating inequality and, ultimately, conflict. Initially, that conflict was resolved through personal combat between individual champions, but as clans started using numbers to overwhelm their opponents, the practice of warfare began to spread. This led to a surge in weapons development, with biological warfare quickly established as the weapon of choice. An arms race began, focused on the development of biological agents and various counter measures. It saddens me to discover this as I had hoped the Guardians would prove to be more advanced. A little naive I know as conflict is a common element of many species throught the galaxy. Wheather for resources, land or power over others. We all seem to share this shame."

Biological+Shame = Urn+Totem

REPOSTING DUE TO CRAZY THREAD SPEED.
View source for more info.
 
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Well, if their are other ruins then we are all in trouble, because we have no information whatsoever about any other ruin locations, and searching the galaxy by brute force alone isn't anything approaching practical.

I know Michael said it won't be easy to solve, but it has to be possible.

Do you remember the 2.0trailer? We tried to search for the system that possibly held those shiny green thingies that might have been obelisks.
Using the same method as this one was found we got pretty close to the exact system but never really found it.
(Yes it was well documented in one of the prev threads.)
Let alone find the ruins on the body itself.
I still consider that region a strong guess and if I'll get the opportunity to fly I'll try to look around.
I can share some systems we checked out earlier if someone's interested
 
Nope not a theory (from Drews lore page) "They had no obvious drive outlets as still required on human vessels, leading to speculation that Thargoids had mastered inertialess drive technology, otherwise known as the ‘spacedrive’. It appears that Thargoid technology was significantly more advanced than ours."

Thanks a lot,
so i can put that idea on the "disproven side".

What about "low temperature diamonds"?
I have yet to find out why they are a thing in some systems
(ferried by NPCs) and in some not.
Might they tie into the whole alien story arc somehow?
 
Do the Guardians have a "favorite number"? They like geometric shapes, we know that from the decoded lore, and all their groupings of obelisks suggest they really like Triangles. My theory is that there's more bases that form an equilateral triangle on the planet, or another sort of triangle of star systems in space. If we had a "favorite number" of the culture, then we could use that as a distance parameter of sorts.

Yes. 3. The UA grip was in 3 pairs. The UP communicated in binary triplets and almost everything in the rune has some tessalation based on triangles. Three seems very significant in both architecture and data communication
 
Notice:
The obelisk has 3 states, not two.
0 - No message when scanning it, just data.
1 - Something can be discovered, but it's not the right combination. You get the message from Ram Tah. Plus data. No Bonus.
2 - You decoded a message. And 1 mill bonus. This Obelisk may return to state 0 or 1 when the message has been collected.

Just sayin'.
I'm taking notes of all the states.

A bit like mastermind board game really
 
Yes. 3. The UA grip was in 3 pairs. The UP communicated in binary triplets and almost everything in the rune has some tessalation based on triangles. Three seems very significant in both architecture and data communication

But two "3"s mirrored and put together become an "8",
a symbol for infinity and an everlasting cycle.
 
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