Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Windscreen Smudge]

The moon has been re-explored a number of times, however feel free if you have time to check again...you never know you may find something.

Has it? By whom? I haven't met anyone who has said that they've done a thorough search of 1 B A besides myself.

Show of hands, anyone? Who has searched the sister moon for ruins, let alone looked in the area that directly lines up in the view of the main circular formation of the current set of ruins as 1 B A sets over the horizon?

 

[Xonic]

Has it? By whom? I haven't met anyone who has said that they've done a thorough search of 1 B A besides myself.

Show of hands, anyone? Who has searched the sister moon for ruins, let alone looked in the area that directly lines up in the view of the main circular formation of the current set of ruins as 1 B A sets over the horizon?

I checked the same coordinates from the current ruins, but on the moon....nothing obviously...

 

[zorbaq]

Has it? By whom? I haven't met anyone who has said that they've done a thorough search of 1 B A besides myself.

Show of hands, anyone? Who has searched the sister moon for ruins, let alone looked in the area that directly lines up in the view of the main circular formation of the current set of ruins as 1 B A sets over the horizon?

I have.

 

[CMDR Kohen]

There are two more sites. And the key to find them has to be there and maybe not obvious now but it will be obvious when we know of it.

Yesterday i just grabbed my ship and started flying on the direction of he main ramp till i went around the planet and roughly back at the ruins... but i may have screwed up. No luck.

The shape of the site itself should be a key to find the rest. Remember how the guardians like to add information hidden in the glyphs. Maybe we should treat this site as a glyph itself.

I am almost sure that the other 2 sites are on this moon. Why put 1 museum in 3 diferent systems. Put the 3 museums on the same one.

Im sure they are aranged on a perfect triangle but im no mathematician, and its hard to locate ruins from orbit.

Anyone good with numbers? I have this idea. The 3 sites should construct an equilateral triangle (repeated a lot in the game) an equilateral triangle on a sphere big enough so that the angles are 90 degrees each... having he coordinates of one of said sites... wich would be the coordinates of the second and third. Using the main ramp of the first site as direction to find the second one.

Food for thougts. Thanks guys

 

[kizcat]

Has it? By whom? I haven't met anyone who has said that they've done a thorough search of 1 B A besides myself.

Show of hands, anyone? Who has searched the sister moon for ruins, let alone looked in the area that directly lines up in the view of the main circular formation of the current set of ruins as 1 B A sets over the horizon?

I had a vague look for about 2 hours back when the ruins were first found. Not since the patch though

 

[Clanga]

Has it? By whom? I haven't met anyone who has said that they've done a thorough search of 1 B A besides myself.

Show of hands, anyone? Who has searched the sister moon for ruins, let alone looked in the area that directly lines up in the view of the main circular formation of the current set of ruins as 1 B A sets over the horizon?

I searched a 20 degree strip of the moon's surface in a straight line ysterday. The line was more or less in-line with what one sees when they look through the "gunsight". I don't remember the coords that I started at quite that exactly, unfortunately.

 

[Kaltern]

Just a quick note to let you guys know the spreadsheet being used to gather obelisk / artefact combo data is now locked, as I'll be attempting to make some sense out of it!

Thank you so much for the immense effort put in to recording the data - there is a LOT there, and it will definitely help solve some of this mystery!

Don't forget, there are other sheets that need your help!

 

[Darkness Dreams]

Has it? By whom? I haven't met anyone who has said that they've done a thorough search of 1 B A besides myself.

Show of hands, anyone? Who has searched the sister moon for ruins, let alone looked in the area that directly lines up in the view of the main circular formation of the current set of ruins as 1 B A sets over the horizon?

Ive been on the Canon discord channel as people have siad they are of exploing it. Not everyone use the forums. You really think your the only person to go exploring it?

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There are two more sites. And the key to find them has to be there and maybe not obvious now but it will be obvious when we know of it.

Yesterday i just grabbed my ship and started flying on the durection of he main ramp till i went around the planet and roughly back at the ruins... but i may have screwed up. No luck.

The shape of the site itself should be a key to find the rest. Remember how the guardians like to add information hidden in the glyphs. Maybe we should treat this site as a glyph itself.

I am almost sure that the other 2 sites are on this moon. Why put 1 museum in 3 diferent systems. Put the 3 museums on the same one.

Im sure they are aranged on a perfect triangle but im no mathematician, and its hard to locate ruins from orbit.

Anyone good with numbers? I have his idea. The 3 sites should construct an equilateral triangle (repeated a lot in the game) an equilateral triangle on a sphere big enough so that the angles are 90 degrees each... having he coordinates of one of said sites... wich would be the coordinates of the second and third. Using the main ramp of the first site as direction to find the second one.

Food for thougts. Thanks guys

Just remember there is no evidence on how many sites there are yet. We have a hint with 3 Arks but in all fairness they may have had other ships and gone to other places.

 

[Factabulous]

tl;dr Attempted to find a path through site using data scans, hoping to light non-default obelisks in solo: failed

I was thinking that FD couldn't be expecting us to solve the site using the power of brute force and relogging: is there a way to work out which obelisk is the next, and what to scan it with?

Well, we have the map showing where each artefact doesn't say 'invalid', we know we get 1 or 2 pieces of data per scan, and we have a mapping for scans -> artefacts (from a few pages back) :
alpha => Bio => Urn
beta => Cultural => Totem
delta => Language => Tablet
epsilon => Technology => Orb
gamma => History => Casket

So I start at an obelisk, scan it and get one or two scans - I put the corresponding artefact(s) in my hold and head to the area corresponding to the first scan (e.g. delta gamma -> Tablet & Casket -> go to C). Choose a random active obelisk, scan that and repeat until I hit a wall. If FD have linked the scans then this could be a solution.

It certainly allowed a number of obelisks to be strung together, but completely failed to light up any new obelisks (which was my main hope). And I never managed to get to scan all the obelisks that were lit before hitting an invalid combination (maximum 11).

System definitely has some issues (apart from not working[big grin])
- there are no default obelisks for beta (totem) - I tried using a beta appearing to mean to 'scan a pillar and pick a new random start' (totem pole is like a pillar, yeh, random!)
- how do you start? I tried starting with just the item for the area, and also tried starting at a 'known good' default pillar
- nothing represents relic - when you start to try and fit relic it gets complicated, and what we are trying to decode is simple enough that we can do it without effort in open/PG.

Anyway - thought I'd share in case the hive-mind can think of a different way to use scans to get around. Now back to relogging in Mobius to see which H obelisks have different artefacts[wacky]

 

[Manuone]

I was just asking myself if the ruins were representing the two moons orbiting together . There are two circles and one smaller than the second . Could be the other moon .

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

I checked the same coordinates from the current ruins, but on the moon....nothing obviously...

Which is not within direct LoS of the current set of ruins, correct?

I have.

Great, so we have three. Any screenshots or coordinates of the area you covered? There's so much texture to the terrain that I dismissed large swathes of area out of hand because nothing looked flat enough compared to the original site, but if the screenshot is genuine FDev could have nestled it in a rough spot. I'll be covering my old area again and moving southeast.

It's all well and good to say we've searched an area, but it hasn't been searched unless we all know that we're talking about the same thing.

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Ive been on the Canon discord channel as people have siad they are of exploing it. Not everyone use the forums. You really think your the only person to go exploring it?

Nope. I said I'm the only one talking about it. Information has no value if it isn't shared. I don't care who searched it, if they don't communicate that it's been searched, how, and where, it's wasted effort on everyone's behalf.

VOIP doesn't record anything for posterity. If you're just blabbing what you do out over comms and not putting any of it on the forum, reddit, or in a google doc you're wasting your time.

 

[michael fra]

. CMD STARK JUNIOR

 

[CMDR Kohen]

Ive been on the Canon discord channel as people have siad they are of exploing it. Not everyone use the forums. You really think your the only person to go exploring it?

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Just remember there is no evidence on how many sites there are yet. We have a hint with 3 Arks but in all fairness they may have had other ships and gone to other places.

The site itself speaks of said arks. Its ilogical that the rest of the messages are hidden in said arks. Its much more logical if the other sites speak of the arks intead of being arks.

We know there are more sites... couse the enigma is made by people that wants US to discover those messages. Its not made by aliens hiding knoledge... is made by people, frontier, that wants us to solve it

Ruins are there. We should coordinate to find them.

 

[allocater]

Just found:

Bio11 urn+orb E17

That brings me to 5 special combos total:

Hist16 casket+relic G30
Hist13 casket+totem G33
Lang10 tablet+casket C48
Lang11 tablet+urn E30
Bio11 urn+orb E17

 

[Darkness Dreams]

Which is not within direct LoS of the current set of ruins, correct?



Great, so we have three. Any screenshots or coordinates of the area you covered? There's so much texture to the terrain that I dismissed large swathes of area out of hand because nothing looked flat enough compared to the original site, but if the screenshot is genuine FDev could have nestled it in a rough spot. I'll be covering my old area again and moving southeast.

It's all well and good to say we've searched an area, but it hasn't been searched unless we all know that we're talking about the same thing.

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Nope. I said I'm the only one talking about it. Information has no value if it isn't shared. I don't care who searched it, if they don't communicate that it's been searched, how, and where, it's wasted effort on everyone's behalf.

VOIP doesn't record anything for posterity. If you're just blabbing what you do out over comms and not putting any of it on the forum, reddit, or in a google doc you're wasting your time.

dude seriously there has been more than 3 people checking it If you think its worth another look go for it.

Personally looking at the posts in the Canonn group a fair few more than 3 have gone out and checked. Also i would "speculate" that all the ruins have been in the game since the guardians main launch and the moon has been checked repeatedly since then.

As there is only one moon there then i would suggest we are all taking about the same thing.

 

[Mengy]

Has it? By whom? I haven't met anyone who has said that they've done a thorough search of 1 B A besides myself.

I spent days searching the major features of the planet and scouring other areas, found lots of random POI's but nothing extraordinary.

 

[Darkness Dreams]

The site itself speaks of said arks. Its ilogical that the rest of the messages are hidden in said arks. Its much more logical if the other sites speak of the arks intead of being arks.

We know there are more sites... couse the enigma is made by people that wants US to discover those messages. Its not made by aliens hiding knoledge... is made by people, frontier, that wants us to solve it

Ruins are there. We should coordinate to find them.

Totally agree with you point, just saying that there is no proof yet how many yet people say "there are three"- show proof there are three then...oh wait no-one can.

the unfortunate thing about people making definitive statements is that it can send people off on a wild goose chase. Plus it then generates post where people will keep asking for proof and making the thread harder to read.

By all means speculate but unless there is undeniable proof of something then its still speculation.

also i didnt say they were hidden in the arks, clearly they are not as it said the networks started to be built after they landed.

So to speculate there would be at least 4 possible sites at a minimum:

home world
and 3 ark sites.

But possibly far more depending on how much the traveled.

However 3 more sites does make sense but its not in anyway definately 3 more.

 

[carlo_shepard]

I think that: the "streets" surrounding the obelisks are "power lines; that Relic, Urn, Casket, Orb, Totem, are "the electricity" and that the SRV is the "battery". If you put the relics in all the square spaces (in the "streets") and approaches the SRV, you could (maybe) "turn on" the obelisks. Has anyone tried it? I play in "Solo" and it takes me a long time, but I'm working. Sorry for my english.

 

[Lorgius]

been messing with the pick someone posted:

http://imgur.com/a/sX6LJ

Seems like something but not sure....

Just an idea [wacky]

http://i.imgur.com/iTBXuQN.png

I've seen things You people wouldn't believe...

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

dude seriously there has been more than 3 people checking it If you think its worth another look go for it.

Personally looking at the posts in the Canonn group a fair few more than 3 have gone out and checked. Also i would "speculate" that all the ruins have been in the game since the guardians main launch and the moon has been checked repeatedly since then.

As there is only one moon there then i would suggest we are all taking about the same thing.

That's great, you've made vague references to this information three times without providing it.

First we're to assume that it's somewhere out in the void, and it's our responsibility to immediately divine it's location and absorb it.

Secondly we're told that things happened over voice chat, and that those things were important but you're the only one who needed to hear them to determine they were important.

Now we're told there are posts in the canonn group. Apparently everyone is privy to where this group's forum is located.

You see what I mean about communicating yet? How many posts could you have saved yourself by dropping a link at the first mention of searching the other moon?