This was in open or solo play? And how much data you have now? I stuck on 13, not that I tried hard...
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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This was in open or solo play? And how much data you have now? I stuck on 13, not that I tried hard...
More findings:
E31 Tablet + Totem = no failure message. Tablet + Orb = No failure message
E 25 Urn + Tablet = success Bio 10
E 10 Tablet + Totewm = failure. Orb + Tablet = no failure message
E 35 Urn + Tablet = no failure message
Looks like Urn is just the end 6 obelisks. Looks like the tablet area extends to E31.
E31 Tablet + Totem = no failure message. Tablet + Orb = No failure message
E 25 Urn + Tablet = success Bio 10
E 10 Tablet + Totewm = failure. Orb + Tablet = no failure message
E 35 Urn + Tablet = no failure message
Looks like Urn is just the end 6 obelisks. Looks like the tablet area extends to E31.
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around each obelisk there are plates that form paths. The plates have different types of shapes. I think originally the artifacts (Tablet, Orb, etc.) were there. We know that is not entirely true that combinations of one or two artifacts can decode obelisks. Exactly is only part of the truth. The full truth is that before to decode the obelisks we have to activate them, and to do this we need that around the obelisks there are more than two artifacts. I think the number and types of artifacts can be evidenced by the shapes of the plates at the base of the obelisks. Theoretically, we may also activate the obelisks playing in "Solo", but we should have the exact number of artifacts at the base of each obelisk (to activate it) and then the right pair in the SRV (to decode it). I want to check if the number of shapes present in the tiles around the obelisks coincides with the types (and numbers) of artifact.
Odd, I didn't see it before, even on maps that marked the walls, that's an orbital line, I have absolutely no idea why, but we're being told a specific location(at a given time?) of the moon.
Certainly wouldn't dismiss it.
Needs more observation then.
Ahh, you second post on the subject - FONTSIZE POLICE!
lol
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This is all confirmed so far from my scans. Looks like the tablet zone extends down to 31 and 32. Orb is also looking correct for E12.
Certainly wouldn't dismiss it.
Needs more observation then.
Ahh, you second post on the subject - FONTSIZE POLICE!
We just need some data to confirm it or to throw it out of the window.
Well what I noticed is that when my friend got disconnected and logged back in, All obelisks previously scanned refreshed for me, And maybe more appeared.
We should team up on this one. I am also interesed in patterns and included them into my obelisk data sheet. Here is link for mine https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bLswiqR3BEPqtGpmw7AT__hor7c5B-daOyUV1cUP9EQ
But I am not seeing a lot of consistency in the results. I have been keeping track of the packages I was getting for successful entries since the beginning and for instance I obtained Beta + Beta for Bio 9 (no Alpha at all) or Gamma (only one package) for Cult 7.
Yes, this is most likely the reason why being in open or PG allows access to different obelisks because even if you need to relog, there is always someone in the instance to keep things active. If you are in solo, obviously there is no one else to do that for you. That would support the idea that a sequence of scans can activate a new obelisk and the nature of resetting them in Solo (by relogging) doesn't allow it.
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Are we sure that the data fragments we get on scan are related to the corresponding "success" data at all in the first place? I don't think we have a real confirmation for that hypothesis.
They may equally be just random data you get on scan, no matter what items you have in your hold or what you should have in your hold.
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We need MUCH more data for that it seems.
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Has anyone checked out 2 D and 2 D A in the system? Very similar formation to 1 B and 1 B A. I'm there now, so I'm going to check the same coordinates as the current ruins.
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Didn't find anything at the same coords, any idea if there's another set I could try?
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Didn't find anything at the same coords, any idea if there's another set I could try?
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I had a look at your spreadsheet and it seems to me that you are going to have a lot of items on your "pattern" column. The patterns do randomize every time you relog and are different for every player. What my spreadsheet tries to find out is if the obelisks and the patterns received are tied together somehow by never reloging or crashing or leaving the instance (that way the obelisks should not get randomized).
Nice, also have new data, updated the map:
Here is what I do: (in Mobius PVE private group)
-spent the entire day in E-cluster
-scan every E obelisks I see online with the correct base item
-relog
-after relog I see random new ones active
-scan all E obelisks with correct base item again
-relog
-new ones
-repeat
It's a good way to get new candidates for mapping-testing.
also found:
Lang9 tablet+tablet E28
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Is there a limit for data per day?
The theory that the greek letter = a specific set of data only makes sense if the scan result is actually an instruction of what to scan next, which only makes sense in the terms making this an incredible hard puzzle to crack. (ie it's a GAME thing and not a logical set of data put into a sensible set of obelisk for explorers to find ).
As stated by multiple cmdrs different instances give difference letters for scanning the same obelisk, I did a test in Solo:
Ix= instance number.
I1 G18 C+U = D and D
I2 G18 C+U = A
I3 G18 C+U = E
It's completely random what letters you get, maybe if you've figured out:
Alpha = Biological Data
Beta = Cultural Data
Delta = Language Data
and the scan gives you Alpha then you need to scan an Biological Data obelisk next, assuming you know where all the Biological obelisks are and what combo is required to unlock, to know that you have to have scanned all the obelisks with all combos and already got the 13 that is possible in solo. The big problem for me is it's impossible to repeat, since you only get a positive data scan once( if you are lucky and it doesn't lag to point of appearing on the next scan of a different obelisk!! ), if you reset and repeat you get nothing to say if it's correct or not ( if the base item is wrong you might get a fail message, depending on lag ). So unless you document in a spreadsheet everything you do it's impossible - but worse you have to know in advance that you need to log externally everything you do, because the game is not going to help you at all with collecting that data! ( you get messages that contain nothing that can be related back what cargo you had or what obelisk you scanned or what greek letters you got! ).
As stated by multiple cmdrs different instances give difference letters for scanning the same obelisk, I did a test in Solo:
Ix= instance number.
I1 G18 C+U = D and D
I2 G18 C+U = A
I3 G18 C+U = E
It's completely random what letters you get, maybe if you've figured out:
Alpha = Biological Data
Beta = Cultural Data
Delta = Language Data
and the scan gives you Alpha then you need to scan an Biological Data obelisk next, assuming you know where all the Biological obelisks are and what combo is required to unlock, to know that you have to have scanned all the obelisks with all combos and already got the 13 that is possible in solo. The big problem for me is it's impossible to repeat, since you only get a positive data scan once( if you are lucky and it doesn't lag to point of appearing on the next scan of a different obelisk!! ), if you reset and repeat you get nothing to say if it's correct or not ( if the base item is wrong you might get a fail message, depending on lag ). So unless you document in a spreadsheet everything you do it's impossible - but worse you have to know in advance that you need to log externally everything you do, because the game is not going to help you at all with collecting that data! ( you get messages that contain nothing that can be related back what cargo you had or what obelisk you scanned or what greek letters you got! ).
Well, I never said that one sheet should replace another, merely suggested a cooperation and data exchange.
Secondly, the "never relogging/crashing/changing instance" part seems to be virtually impossible, especially in regard to crashes - me and everyone in my instance have been crashing constantly around and hour ago, so if there is indeed a randomization on each relog/instance change, and not just some systematic pattern change depending on something, then I think it is pretty much pointless and virtually impossible to categorize patterns.
For me the biggest problem of this entire event is that we do not know what works as intended and what is bugged, making all attempts on collection and categorization of data feel like a waste of time,because we imply have no idea what works as intended and where FD screwed up. A difference in obelisk behavior in Solo and Open speaks a ton about that....
Can I suggest that we have a group focus to get one area completely mapped. We're nearly there with the Avenues at E.
Please post your results. Including failures, no failure messages and successes.
Please post your results. Including failures, no failure messages and successes.
Nope.
My point is that alpha to epsilon data is CLEARLY RNG PER COMMANDER PER INSTANCE. So every successful combination is made of 3 different sets. a) the cultural data itself, b) Data Pattern a to e, c) data pattern a to e
got it?
I may be one of the lucky ones, but I have not been crashing all that often... I think the last couple of days I have been at the site, scanning obelisks, I have crashed a total of 5 times. (+ quite a few times because my graphics drivers were outdated but that has nothing to do with the problem at hand
), so it definitely is not unthinkable - for example, the 5 sets of data I collected were collected without a single crash... obviously, I had to relog after each set was obtained to reset the obelisks but other than that, no unexpected obelisk resets happened. However, it does seem rather weird that Solo and PG/Open behave differently. So perhaps my table's weakness currently is that it does not allow people to collect data from instances with more than 1 person. However, if scanning order is an important variable, then that would mess with the data we would receive, which is the reason I wanted to limit it to only "single player".
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