Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Lands on current search location for a cuppa tea.
pulls over coms device.

Ram Tah, come in Ram Tah.

Are you SURE you cant get any more info from that data? Anything? The planet or moon in each system maybe? even that means an epic search, but at least its not days zig zag searching a barren rock.
There are a lot of us out here looking for you and for Science. but take another look for us, please? be a good chap and take another look.

Many thanks.

Cmdr Mcduff.
 
Then why not having Ram Tha give pointer to said usefull clues rather than hand out the solution of the enigma ?
What makes you think he didn't? The systems we have been given may be the clues we need to unlock the ruins puzzle, after all they have properties which we can now compare to the properties of the ruins in order to find some connection.

Oh wait, was there really an enigma ;) ?
Who knows, I prefer to think so tho.
 
Just noticed there is a typo in the Ram Tah Galnet article. Its says he has been "unable to devine their precise locations" I assume it's meant to say define. Not that it leads us any closer.
 
It'd be nice if FDev threw in some very rare alien POIs on the planets with the ruins. That way, atleast you know you're on the right planet, without giving away too much else.

The POIs could be as simple as a lone relic just sat on the floor, or a destroyed obelisk or something.
Although, that does raise the question of why doesn't the ruins show as a POI. Lol

On a totally different note;
I just spent a few hours on 2 different planets, chasing down graphical glitches. Lol
Stupid odd black things popping up randomly.
 
Does the alpha site lie on a bearing of 135 degrees, ie to get to that site on Synuefe XR-H D11-102 1 B can you follow a bearing of 135 degrees starting at latitude / longitude of 45 / 0

Basically does the indicator line on the sound image, which is clearly a sphere, tell us what bearing we should follow to locate the known ruins. Can we extrapolate from this that the new as yet unfound ruins might lie on the same great circle but at a different point on it.
 
So I decided to go back to the orignal ruins site, and when I got to the system, found that I now have lost all my system data!!!!!!!!

[url]http://i.imgur.com/vLbuhzl.png[/url]

This was a few pages ago now, but to answer: when frontier edit a body or a system with an update, they disappear off a commander astrogation database. This happened with me with a couple of the engineer bases shortly after they went live. I visited them all quickly, then when I returned later, I didn't have their planet in my nav panel, I had to re-honk.

So if the system is now 'virgin' to you, they have changed something. Maybe they have fixed some/all of the bugs there.....
 
I've only made one visit to the ancient ruins but noticed that the horizon intersected the center of Barnard's Loop when viewed from the ground on the site. Is this always the case, or was I just lucky? If it's static, it occurred to me that the concentric ring nature of the loop might somehow correspond to the rings of the ruins, and perhaps we're looking for another system where the loop also has a static position in the sky (or otherwise has some noteworthy appearance when viewed from the new ruins, a la Stonehenge). Can someone confirm if I'm just imagining things? I'm unable to play any time soon.
 
Just noticed there is a typo in the Ram Tah Galnet article. Its says he has been "unable to devine their precise locations" I assume it's meant to say define. Not that it leads us any closer.

It was "divine" not "devine".

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He just meant that the location was not specified and he hasn't been able to figure it out exactly given the information he has.
 
Here's a thought.... everyone seems focused on planets now, but how about space. As compared to brute force searching of planetary surfaces, perhaps clues will be found in space such as a beacon/USS? I found one USS in the third system listed, but it had no clues. Perhaps though, FD seeded space with the chance that simply flying around may yield something. However.....

I also look at it this way...., reading all the posts in this thread and the "complex" ideas/logic of finding answers.... it seems the effort is waaaayyyy over analyzed. FD devs/planners in all reality/honesty likely have not made this puzzle that complex. Their project team though talented in building this game, likely do not have the thought/creative forethought (not a dig on FD, but rather a pragmatic view) to promote/employ all these creative ideas in the puzzle found here. Its entertaining read, and actually adds life to the game play/lore, but I think that is all it is. The key to solving this puzzle is to look at the existing game mechanics and approach from that angle.

Right now, a Galnet message went out with 4 systems where likely ruins will be found. Next, given game mechanics, perhaps the next clue will come from a USS in space somewhere within these systems (perhaps many), that will provide further clues. Or perhaps as others noted, a CMDR returning full system scans to Ram may provide something in a new notification/clue. Given game mechanics, perhaps the ruins are not even spawned yet until further clues are discovered which will "unlock" the ruins.

All in all, given the history of this challenge and where we are now, frankly there has been no complex aspect of discovery/unlock based on data/experience speculated in this thread. The only thing that has original finding was discovery of first ruins, which as FD noted was "unexpected." My guess is there would have been some Galnet or other path for finding that first Ruin, but it was found by reviewing the trailer and creative deduction of the guy who found it. Given the ruins were in the trailer which was created based on existing gameplay, the Ruins were in the game following that release build.

All in all, I believe that the path to discovery is based on following/leveraging existing game mechanics. Challenge is figuring out those mechanics to move the puzzle to the next step (likely spawn of the ruins themselves).

And what better way to ensure that things proceed in a bit more "expected" way? First off, change the visibility to make it to where commanders have to be MUCH closer to see anything at all, make it low contrast so that it is difficult, even when they know exactly where to go and are very close. Then, simply not put the assets in game so as to completely avoid any "unexpected" discovery. It was clear the devs were surprised that their mystery was bungled up by the resourcefulness of their player base. The only way they can ensure that the story line, which is what this is, a story line, the only way they can ensure that it progresses in the way in which they have designed is to well, tell it as a story, and remove the choose your own adventure part. Provide the illusion of progress, while controlling it's flow.

Back when Ram's mission for ruins data popped up, I was following this very intently. I have read the literally hundreds of pages filled with ideas from hundreds of extremely smart and talented commanders, yet not one of these proposed hypotheses has led to any successful prediction or to any further refinement, or in short...scientific method based progress. Each idea, each take, each lightbulb has proven to be just as plausible, valid, and valuable as every other one.

The question has been posed...are we all just missing something? Given the number of highly intelligent scientific minds we have participating here...I am becoming increasingly of Occam's Razor, and finding it more and more plausible that the simplest answer is no. We aren't missing anything. There is simply nothing at this moment to find.
 
Just noticed there is a typo in the Ram Tah Galnet article. Its says he has been "unable to devine their precise locations" I assume it's meant to say define. Not that it leads us any closer.

Ram Tah's Voice to speech software makes a lot of spelling errors, maybe he has an odd accent? Like the Scottish attempting to use voice activated equipment. ;)
 
Does the alpha site lie on a bearing of 135 degrees, ie to get to that site on Synuefe XR-H D11-102 1 B can you follow a bearing of 135 degrees starting at latitude / longitude of 45 / 0

Basically does the indicator line on the sound image, which is clearly a sphere, tell us what bearing we should follow to locate the known ruins. Can we extrapolate from this that the new as yet unfound ruins might lie on the same great circle but at a different point on it.

The bearing is 256 degrees (it happens to be exactly the same bearing as the barnacles guarded by a Farragutt on Merope 5c)
 
I've only made one visit to the ancient ruins but noticed that the horizon intersected the center of Barnard's Loop when viewed from the ground on the site. Is this always the case, or was I just lucky? If it's static, it occurred to me that the concentric ring nature of the loop might somehow correspond to the rings of the ruins, and perhaps we're looking for another system where the loop also has a static position in the sky (or otherwise has some noteworthy appearance when viewed from the new ruins, a la Stonehenge). Can someone confirm if I'm just imagining things? I'm unable to play any time soon.

I don't think it's static. Worth a look though.
I've only been once. So it's hard to tell.
 
I spending the last two days saying.

If I where an alien.. What would I consider suitable?
Well first of all. I think the most important thing to pay attention to is the class of system star.
What type of planets does the system host.. Would they be good for mining and materials for a colony.

And how far from the star are the planets for safety security. Making it harder to find the colony.
I wouldn't be paying much attention to finding an identical planet. But a moon should be important.
 
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