Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[ShadowAviator]

I suppose it is composed of a denser gas (CO2) for one. How that yields a density higher by a factor of 9 is beyond me though. Any planetary physicists in the house?
And although it does not have a "mundane" iron core magnetosphere, it apparently has an induced magnetic field above the ionosphere caused by interaction with solar ions whizzing by (thanks Wikipedia
I did not know this.

Oh , I forgot to look in on my surface exploration! Well I ain't going back!

I believe the atmosphere is thick due to a runaway greenhouse gas effect.

Basically, as it gets hotter, gases stay as gases and also liquids turn to gases causing the atmosphere to get thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker. And so on.

 

[Mikkel]

I'm not good at Photoshop, I think it is the key:

http://imgur.com/lBdn6VU

http://imgur.com/PkutbuH

My suspicion was that the hexagon represents the orbital plane, the swash out the side represents the orbital direction, and the long projection from the large circle represents the axial tilt of the planet. Which can't be far off 94 degrees off the orbital plane. But all this is suspicion. So far there's no way to confirm this and turn it into something useful. Alas. I still have no idea what the chunks inside and outside the circles represent, nor the cogs coming off the center, nor the pyramids at 12 and 4 o'clock. Or if I'm even looking at the thing the right way up.

Just....one....more....crater.......

 

[Ibastavd]

4 hours of flying, I never want to see another crater again... good night all and good luck!

 

[Mr.Dee]

Pointed that out about 1000 pages ago. Leads to moon rise point. I went straight line all the way to the moon, found rocks.

I do not understand you.
Photo 2 from: IC 2391 Sector ZE-A d101-C3

 

[Bryan K]

I believe the atmosphere is thick due to a runaway greenhouse gas effect.

Basically, as it gets hotter, gases stay as gases and also liquids turn to gases causing the atmosphere to get thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker. And so on.

Resulting in a surface temperature hotter than Mercury and enough pressure to crush a submarine. Not exactly a lovely vacation spot. It'll be interesting to see if FDev makes it landable when we gain the ability to land on other types of planets. I'd rather not have my Anaconda crushed and melted at the same time.

 

[Thatchinho]

of course , im nuts sometime

Would you post them on here once you've got them? Would be good to have them on hand! Thanks in advance!

I have some marbles that someone seems to have lost in this thread. Not sure if they're mine or if they belong to someone else. That's how crazy this search has been.

Ha ha ha! I probably should have replied to T3RO's post about co-ords of the systems instead of that one, but this has worked out a lot funnier!

 

[morph113]

Resulting in a surface temperature hotter than Mercury and enough pressure to crush a submarine. Not exactly a lovely vacation spot. It'll be interesting to see if FDev makes it landable when we gain the ability to land on other types of planets. I'd rather not have my Anaconda crushed and melted at the same time.

Just checked. It's 90 earth atmospheres of pressure, which equals about 1km deep in the ocean. So I guess an Anaconda can withstand it. Plus we did send some probes to the surface and they survived and sent us back pictures. You should be good in the Anaconda

 

[Bryan K]

Just checked. It's 90 earth atmospheres of pressure, which equals about 1km deep in the ocean. So I guess an Anaconda can withstand it. Plus we did send some probes to the surface and they survived and sent us back pictures. You should be good in the Anaconda

The Venera series, sent up by the Soviets during the Cold War. We went over them in the planetary geology course I took a few years ago. I'm surprised there's never been a modern attempt to land there.

Every time I think about landing there, I keep thinking of that line from Futurama: "How many atmospheres of pressure can this ship withstand?" "Well, it's a space ship, so anywhere between zero and one."

 

[CMDR Vox-Lee]

I do not understand you.
Photo 2 from: IC 2391 Sector ZE-A d101-C3

Can you explain what you are indicating?

 

[Mikkel]

I believe the atmosphere is thick due to a runaway greenhouse gas effect.

Basically, as it gets hotter, gases stay as gases and also liquids turn to gases causing the atmosphere to get thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker. And so on.

I suppose at 9 bar you could get liquid CO2, but not at 400C though. So the process must have reached some sort of equilibrium. But I suppose, before the runaway greenhouse effect, with a thin atmosphere, there would be a greater day/night dT...allowing CO2 to condense out at night. Then slowly as more Joules got put in Venus jail, the temp. went up, the dT went down, and Bob's your auntie? Dunno.

 

[Rupert Pyros]

Sorry, i can't remember who posted this picture, but I found it quite interesting.
Beacon locations at the ruins (orange dots) looks almost simular to all four system locations. A triangle and one dot at some distance apart. Strange coincidence, isn't it?

Spoiler

P.S. Sorry for my english.

 

[Andy Young]

I just find this nice iron magma field at Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 12A (48.0785; -101.9445) (PC, Mobius PvE)
(at least something after hours and hours of looking for ruins)
http://imgur.com/a/zdV4t

 

[iamgingerbear]

Sorry, i can't remember who posted this picture, but I found it quite interesting.
Beacon locations at the ruins (orange dots) looks almost simular to all four system locations. A triangle and one dot at some distance apart. Strange coincidence, isn't it?

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/DUlkZmJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YSLv7b1.jpg

P.S. Sorry for my english.

Yeh i saw the same thing, i got someone at the ruins site to check if anything new came up on scan of the beacons but sadly I got nothing. Hopefuly someone else can come up with another idea as I'm busy searching.

 

[Justicar_Thorn]

Good news. Every system has at least one site. "I've detected a number of further Guardian sites... unable to divine (locate) precise locations...narrow the field to [ these systems]"

He's not saying look here he's saying these systems are part of the network.

Now. Math the proper planets.

 

[morph113]

Sorry, i can't remember who posted this picture, but I found it quite interesting.
Beacon locations at the ruins (orange dots) looks almost simular to all four system locations. A triangle and one dot at some distance apart. Strange coincidence, isn't it?

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/DUlkZmJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YSLv7b1.jpg

P.S. Sorry for my english.

Yes there have been overlays from the galaxy map and the ruins shortly after the galnet news with the systems was released. You can find them in these posts:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=5056744&viewfull=1#post5056744

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=5056537&viewfull=1#post5056537

 

[Bryan K]

Good news. Every system has at least one site. "I've detected a number of further Guardian sites... unable to divine (locate) precise locations...narrow the field to [ these systems]"

He's not saying look here he's saying these systems are part of the network.

Now. Math the proper planets.

Agreed. Dunno why some people are acting like there's only one new site.

 

[Thatchinho]

Fun fact: you don't necessarily need a magnetosphere to hold on to an atmosphere. Venus has no magnetosphere and its atmosphere is 90 times thicker than Earth's atmosphere.

We're pretty sure Mars lost its atmospheric water to space due to solar flares, but the fact that it still has an atmosphere suggests that there's more to it than just not having a magnetosphere.

Gravity would make sense, but then how does Venus have a thicker atmosphere with less gravity than Earth? The answer is we honestly don't know yet.

I suppose it is composed of a denser gas (CO2) for one. How that yields a density higher by a factor of 9 is beyond me though. Any planetary physicists in the house?
And although it does not have a "mundane" iron core magnetosphere, it apparently has an induced magnetic field above the ionosphere caused by interaction with solar ions whizzing by (thanks Wikipedia
I did not know this.

Oh , I forgot to look in on my surface exploration! Well I ain't going back!

I believe the atmosphere is thick due to a runaway greenhouse gas effect.

Basically, as it gets hotter, gases stay as gases and also liquids turn to gases causing the atmosphere to get thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker which causes it to trap more heat which makes it hotter which evaporates more liquids which make the atmosphere thicker. And so on.

Also, the lighter gases rise higher in the atmosphere and thus are stripped from the atmosphere by two factors - being blown away, and the high temperature resulting in high thermal velocities and thus a higher proportion randomly exceeding escape velocity.

All sums up in an atmosphere of heavier gases and thus a much denser atmosphere.

 

[Bryan K]

Also, the lighter gases rise higher in the atmosphere and thus are stripped from the atmosphere by two factors - being blown away, and the high temperature resulting in high thermal velocities and thus a higher proportion randomly exceeding escape velocity.

All sums up in an atmosphere of heavier gases and thus a much denser atmosphere.

I could write a research paper on this stuff. Maybe I should've gone to grad school after all...

 

[Justicar_Thorn]

Has anyone attempted to take a relic to it's corresponding system and experiment yet?

 

[ShadowAviator]

Also, the lighter gases rise higher in the atmosphere and thus are stripped from the atmosphere by two factors - being blown away, and the high temperature resulting in high thermal velocities and thus a higher proportion randomly exceeding escape velocity.

All sums up in an atmosphere of heavier gases and thus a much denser atmosphere.

That makes sense.