Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Shockbot]

Status Update:

Yesterday I checked the "Synuefe XO-P c22-17" - System, Planet "Synuefe XO-P c22-17 D 2" and his Moon D3. Apart from that every area on this 2 Planets looks from above like a Ruin or other interesting stuff ^^ I can´t find anything.

Very interesting landscapes but nothing more.

I dropped my Fighter set speed and flew over the landscape in the Spectator mode to see all around like a drone it is really effective when it comes to planetscanning

 

[Non Grata]

From the new newsletter, the existing galnet update, but:

"Following his recent appeal for data from the Synuefe ruins, engineer Ram Tah has discovered several new Guardian sites. Although he has not been able to divine their precise locations, he has narrowed the field to three specific systems."

 

[CMDR Cylixx]

I wouldn't include the known system, just the 4 new ones. I reckon the large circular structure represents the site we know about. The beacons for a triangle and then there is one much further away, which just happens to be on the small circular structure which I reckon represents the planet we're all looking for. So, I think we ought to look for indications in the ruins which suggest which planet (in the system it is), and further indications for where on the planet (something we can turn into lat/long values).

I reckon the reason Ram Tah got the systems he did, is because each was encoded in the beacon/relic that it represents.

No point including the planet you're on, in the map to the other planets

They don't line up is the problem, I was pointing out that the systems that "align" with the relics includes the system with the first ruins, putting a hole is the theory unless the distant system turns out to be a dud.

From the new newsletter, the existing galnet update, but:

"Following his recent appeal for data from the Synuefe ruins, engineer Ram Tah has discovered several new Guardian sites. Although he has not been able to divine their precise locations, he has narrowed the field to three specific systems."

Say what now???

 

[Deinonychus2012]

scanned the star and it says its a TTS
galaxy map, you lied to me!

You might have just experienced the new jump mechanic where you will be dropped at a secondary star in a system (rather than being teleported through it) if that star lies within your path to the main star. This was implemented to prevent the infrequent occurrence of dropping out of hyperspace within the exclusion zone of close binary stars, but could theoretically (and almost implausibly) be used to arrive at distant secondary stars if you arrive from a specific angle from a specific system.

Or it could simply be that the TTS is the primary, and the M is the secondary.

 

[Cmdr Shijima]

From the new newsletter, the existing galnet update, but:

"Following his recent appeal for data from the Synuefe ruins, engineer Ram Tah has discovered several new Guardian sites. Although he has not been able to divine their precise locations, he has narrowed the field to three specific systems."

Possibly a typo, but I did always feel that Synuefe ZL-J D10-119 didn't fit the picture somehow...

 

[Lazarus Kerman]

They don't line up is the problem, I was pointing out that the systems that "align" with the relics includes the system with the first ruins, putting a hole is the theory unless the distant system turns out to be a dud.

I believe the ram tah message implied not all of these systems would contain guardian sites? so a dud is very likely, and that distant one does seem to be the odd one out.

 

[Darth Ender]

How'd anyone's dead body get found in the COL 70 sector when it requires an unknown permit to access? Why can't FD canonize what these permits are and how they work and who controls them. Because if this Wreaken construction company has access, then it's not unknown is it?

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

Ok, whacky theory time.

Using he image of the ruins we all know and love, which I've misplaced.

Let's assume the circles are planets.

The largest circle indicates a planet with 2 rings, but just 1 moon. Maybe. Lol
(It's hard when you misplace the image)
.......
Found an image. Lol

Does that fit any of the known systems?

Second part of my theory, that's probably been thought of.
The odd angular perimeter wall, could indicate these planets orbit each other.
And it's not a moon.
Binary planets? Do we have a pair of binary planets, one with a ring?
Ring may not be important.

No idea.

Now. How do you draw mountains as a kid?
Triangles!
2 triangles, are south, and south east of the main circle.
Maybe we're looking for a pair of mountain ranges on the larger of the planet. Then head north-ish. Lol

No idea on the distance.

Just a whacky theory.

 

[Ozric]

How'd anyone's dead body get found in the COL 70 sector when it requires an unknown permit to access? Why can't FD canonize what these permits are and how they work and who controls them. Because if this Wreaken construction company has access, then it's not unknown is it?

Do you have it confirmed that every Col 70 sector system is permit locked? There's a lot of them

Also to be fair Unknown Permit, means there's no viable way of attaining the permit. Wreaken are not a faction and so you couldn't gain access through being their Ally.

 

[OBYOZ]

Ruins

Hi all,
My 2p's worth is that there are 22 relics at the site and 22 planets in 2391 b2-4, the ruins might refer to that system.
Was going to check it out in more detail but i need to grind Ram Tah with 50 classified data scans, can anyone help and tell me the best way?
Thanks

 

[lecorsobreton]

Another whacky theory:

I was watching an episode of Tintin on netflix yesterday (secret of the unicorn). That bit about superimposing 3 pieces of paper gave me an idea:

If multiples sites have been found, how about creating a "stacked map"?

Now where's that tinfoil hat again?

 

[Thatchinho]

Done a little digging and oh what a surprise... They're linked to Sirius Corp.



(this article is from INARA, but it's from Timmy. There are other references to it.)

Intriguing indeed! The plot thickens...

 

[Abil Midena]

I wouldn't include the known system, just the 4 new ones. I reckon the large circular structure represents the site we know about. The beacons for a triangle and then there is one much further away, which just happens to be on the small circular structure which I reckon represents the planet we're all looking for. So, I think we ought to look for indications in the ruins which suggest which planet (in the system it is), and further indications for where on the planet (something we can turn into lat/long values).

I reckon the reason Ram Tah got the systems he did, is because each was encoded in the beacon/relic that it represents.

No point including the planet you're on, in the map to the other planets

I agree with most of that. I think each site is a map that contains info on the system/planet it's on, for reference to help decode other obelisk. Then the other structure is info about the 'second' site for you to find/decode. When you get to the 'second' site in another system, it will have info on it, for reference, and info on a 'third' site so you can find that. And so on, until you get to the site that leads back to the original site. Each site will also yield artifacts/info to use at the original site to decode the larger mystery of the guardians.

Unfortunately, I've been back to the first site looking over relic B and obelisk group F for info on the next site, which I think is in the ZL system due to the relic tower layout and gal map overlay. I just can't find anything to tell me which planet or lat/long. None of the obelisks have markings, other than the ones that light up. All of the relic towers have the same symbols (large/small triangles). I just don't see anything to use. The only thing I see at group F is the lighted obelisk and the repeating triangles that light up. They repeat about every 4 sec. I saw others had shown it's like 96 times repeating,but I think that is being a little overkill.

If the triangles repeat, and represent pascals' triangles (mentioned before also), then they are giving us numbers that I think are the lat/long for the site on a planet in the ZL system. I just don't know how to narrow down the numbers/layout to get a lat/long. Here's a vid I took. If you stop it at about 2 sec, 6 sec, 10 sec, and 14 sec, you can clearly see, for example the right group of triangles second from top is the same pattern every time. The bottom left group is also easy to see as the same every 4 sec. I just don't know what to do with the numbers I get...add them? mult? sub? Who knows.

Spoiler

[video=youtube;4N-I4kpt7H8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N-I4kpt7H8[/video]

 

[Non Grata]

Also to be fair Unknown Permit, means there's no viable way of attaining the permit. Wreaken are not a faction and so you couldn't gain access through being their Ally.

I think they are actually a faction, based in Ega.

 

[xXxSatelliteNetxXx]

Good Morning!>
4 Days straight of trying to solve this, i apparently attempted to solve the puzzle in my dreams last night. and it's amazing when you remember the dream in vivid detail, I have some new ideas to put to the test today.

On the other side of the spectrum i am really also getting tired of not being sure if im even on the right planet half the time, almost ready to throw in the towel, But first i will try these new ideas.

I still strongly believe that two circles at the ruins represent a Planet and it's orbital body (satellite / moon)
and the lines connecting can be the orbital path OR potentially our entry points on the planets.
I am thinking we should be checking the landable moons of these planets.

If the small circles on the big circles represent Poles, (N / S) and the horizontal lines can be good indicators as to landing (W/E) if there is a way to identify West or East.

For example, the small circle on the bottom left of the ruins has a smaller inner circle which is offset Slightly, lets pretend that's a titled axis, so the (North) pole is off center a little, and i will be using the Left (west) and right (East) line as a potenial (Waypoint) to check out. on the moons

Maybe some of you geniuses can refine my idea.
thanks

 

[subhouse07]

Done a little digging and oh what a surprise... They're linked to Sirius Corp.



(this article is from INARA, but it's from Timmy. There are other references to it.)

(Timmy here. Forgot all about that Inara page, I gotta keep that updated!)
To follow up on that: Didn't find anything in Tiliala, but they did have some tourist beacons. Mostly just detailing the history of a big conflict in system, can't remember the details. I think the key is Wreakon's partnership with Sirius. Wreakon-Sirius-Col 70-Exodus-The Rift...I'd venture to say they are all linked. I'd throw in the barnacles too but I'm still not too sure what their purpose is.

 

[Ozric]

I think they are actually a faction, based in Ega.

Then I stand corrected... said the man in the orthopaedic shoes.

Slightly odd they're only in one system, well as far as I can see anyway, in that case I'll change my answer to they don't own the permit

 

[Arguendo]

Just a little friendly advice that may keep the noise level down a bit in this thread (I don't think I've done one for #9 yet):

1. Don't report a POI, Shipwreck, Downed Satellite, etc the minute you find it. Do some research on your own first. Mostly that means, log out and then back in again, to check if it is persistant (just make sure you scan it and everything before doing this). If it is not persistant, it is not significant. It's randomly generated, just like 99.99% of all POIs.
And the same goes for graphics glitches. Is it still there after you have logged out and back in? If not, it's a glitch. Please ignore it, and help us ignore it as well by not reporting it here. And remember; the Ruins do not produce a POI, so the chances of one being significant to the ruins search are infinitesimally small!

2. Please don't just throw random ideas around like they were disposable napkins. Atleast make a bit of an effort yourself first. It is not helpful to see three sentences of brainstorming, which ends with "What do you think?". Atleast do some controls by yourself. Is there something that doesn't fit my theory? Are there blatant things that disproves it? Have I gone as far as I can on my own with this theory? The community is here to help, but it's not here to do the work for you!
Which leads me to...

3. Do not ask if someone has done one thing or the other (that includes anything with a UA/UP/Ancient Relic/etc, or searched somewhere you find interesting). Do it yourself! If you haven't seen it here, either you are too lazy to read the thread (especially the FP^TM), or it hasn't been done. Either way, the onus is on you to do something about it, and not hand work over to others. If you are way out in the boonies somewhere and can't do it yourself, then atleast add a Theory to why you think doing something, or searching somewhere is important. And "Has anyone brought Ancient Relics while searching in Synuefe X-Y-Z?" is not a Theory! If you have in-game friends, ask them if they can help you out. From #2; The community is here to help, but it's not here to do the work for you!

4. If you really have a Theory, please present it as clear and concise as you possibly can. Pictures are nice for illustration, but they are worthless if you don't describe your thinking. Nobody can help you with a theory if you haven't explained it thoroughly. That only generates more questions than answers, and adds to the noise in this thread. It is moving faster than the speed of all coloured lights combined already, don't make it go fast enough to make time travel a reality.

5. And never, ever, say "I found something, it's cool, I may tell you later"! Even if you have found something, keep it to yourself it you aren't willing to share. It's borderline trolling and will put you on ignore-lists faster than this thread is moving, and it just adds noise. You're not here to be part of a community, so don't bother the community with it at all. Be better than that, and share when you feel ready.

6. And the voices in your head are still real, but unfortunately you are also still the only one that can hear them.

/rant

 

[Non Grata]

Then I stand corrected... said the man in the orthopaedic shoes.

Slightly odd they're only in one system, well as far as I can see anyway, in that case I'll change my answer to they don't own the permit

I have considered getting allied with them in the hope that they'll then hand out a special mission or permit. Can't face the potential disappointment though!

 

[danteuk]

Text here hasn't changed and still lists four system.
https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/58872def9657ba9230f89d99

Also Micheal Brooks did not say only getting 13 was correct what he actually said is
"The behaviour for solo sounds correct, but the open situation sounds like it's revealing more than it should. We'll look into it, but I don't think you're missing anything that should be able to...
open is showing more than it should. You can still get the scans elsewhere. "

I still believe there should be a way to get 15 scans from the first ruins site as there are 15 obelisks active, it makes no sense at all to have an active obelisk that can be scanned but have it return no data.