Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Based_Belial said:
I don't know if this is frowned uon here or possible, BUT has anyone thought of data mining?
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If by "data mining" you mean dipping into the game files for information then that is a breach of your EULA with Frontier and will likely get you banned from the game. It is definitely against the rules of this thread and will get you reported to Frontier by any of the guys who are trying here to apply scientific method to solve the game puzzles and share their theories/methods/results, since file dipping is viewed as cheating. The moderators will quickly delete any posts that appear to be based on file dipping.

"Screen scraping" I am not so sure about since that is applying OCR to record data which is displayed on the screen, e.g. recording a time sequence of screen coordinates which are made visible to the player but which could be fed into a surface mapping tool.



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666Savior said:
Three questions

1: does anyone have the link to the site with the obelisk face patterns on it
2: Does anyone have the link to the images of the relic tower sides
3: Are all the space trees localized to one planet in each system they've been found in?

My mother is in on this, she managed to figure out all the puzzles in the entire MYST series, so maybe she can solve this. Trying to gather a baseline of all the data we have at our disposal
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Mothers are special people, with mystical powers, who then turn into grandmothers with even more mystical powers!

Edit: @RIZAL perhaps the front page should start of with LZ's set of rules for using this thread, there are newcomers now invovled who have not benefitied from the council's wisdom
And where has he got to?

Edit: by "rules" they are more of guidance really (think Pirates of the Caribbean and rules of parley:) )
 
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Thisdale

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leprotravel said:
IC 2391 Sector GW-V b2-4 D 4 A FTW! [alien] WARNING! -- Extremely low english skilz --
http://i.imgur.com/1JgM8i0.jpg
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That's not bad!

We have to rememer that by what we knowl; the Guardians used mostly Visual Elements to communicate and like Geometry. It's interesting that different site configuration can represent different type of information/knowledge. It's also impossible represent a system visually because it moves all the time (sun, planets, moons...); so a visual representation of their content and/or meaning is more appropriate/logical.
 

xXxSatelliteNetxXx

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o7 CMDR's After 4 day's of painful extensive unsure searching.

I have pulled the plug on my efforts and returned to the bubble, I cannot continue to fly around aimlessly hoping i am on the right planet, or even system, the boredom became so intense i started to carelessly slam my ship into the surface.

Good Luck, Maybe ill return once i regain some sanity.
 

Moekul

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Crackpot

So, jumping to the hyperdictions topic for a moment, per new Galnet. If Ricardo Bentonio (pictured below) is pretty sure the alien ships are Thargoids ... should we be considering what else they might be?

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My baseless pet theory is that we've run into Guardian AI's left over after destroying the Guardians themselves. We'll just have to see how the story progresses.
 
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Thisdale

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Something else that has been bothering me a bit. This Alien Alpha site can't be near their home planet or system. They were explorers and we seem to know now that their sites were deep space communication and information gathering installation of some kind. so it stands to reason that they would be rather far, far away. Knowing this;

1. This alpha site is one of many that should link together to communicate. I wonder if there's a way to activate it somehow? (that we haven't figured out?).
2. If it's a communication system, there must be an alignment component we haven't seen (it needs to line up at some time with another planet somewhere to transmit. I mean whatever it is (radio waves, lasers, spit...) it needs to go in a straight line towards the next comm station. It can't go in a circle or around stuff.
3. This image (my amazing mspaint skills) shows the site, and a "nearby nebula"... which is in the darkhorse/trapesium sector; which is unaccessible as of now... which is interesting. The similarities are there (coincidence?) and since that area is locked (for future expansions? 2017's update?) perhaps this is where we're headed. Also to note, that from the Alien's Alpha site, we can clearly see that nebula in the sky. It's pretty damn big and obvious. So like our Aztecs and Mayans and such, who built their piramids aligned with what they saw in the sky... stretch?

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nrage

nrage
madwax said:
Trust me its not that far. Every time I go down on lat/log (sounds roud) I spend a good 10->15min going back and forth over the area, If I get a long pause on entering the glide I'll spend even more time.

On the subject of 1deg = xkm I've seen people write stuff like that but were dealing with Lat/Log not a fixed grid system so it's mearly next to useless. You can say on average, 1deg of lat = ( [pie] * planet diameter )/360 and that at the equator 1deg of long = 1deg of lat (on average). But you are ignoring the distance between lines of long. decrease the high or lower you go and real heights at a lat/log. Don't get me wronge it's usefull and rant over ;)

madwax....
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You mean something like this..

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ERY-(Part-4)?p=5068224&viewfull=1#post5068224
 

Ronineter

Ronineter
could someone please confirm if the North pole is actually our (0,0) coordinate on planets? I need to know for a theory about how the layout of the ruins could tell use the precise location off the sites.

im suspecting they calculated their zero reference with the bodies the supposed planets orbit around. and that why the one were searching for are on tidally locked planets.
 
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Jorki Rasalas said:
If by "data mining" you mean dipping into the game files for information then that is a breach of your EULA with Frontier and will likely get you banned from the game. It is definitely against the rules of this thread and will get you reported to Frontier by any of the guys who are trying here to apply scientific method to solve the game puzzles and share their theories/methods/results, since file dipping is viewed as cheating. The moderators will quickly delete any posts that appear to be based on file dipping.

"Screen scraping" I am not so sure about since that is applying OCR to record data which is displayed on thes creen, e.g. recording a time sequence of screen coordinates which are made visible to the player but which could be fed into a surface mapping tool.

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Mothers are special people, with mystical powers, who then turn into grandmothers with even more mystical powers!

Edit: @RIZAL perhaps the front page should start of with LZ's set of rules for using this thread, there are newcomers now invovled who have not benefitied from the council's wisdom
And where has he got to?
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Thank you for explaining it to me a fourth time, though I understood the first. It was just a question. Y'all need to unplug more. You know, get a little R&R?
 

TFW Primus

TFW Primus
Jorki Rasalas said:
Apologies for bumping my own post, but I have tried to compare the photo of the internal view of a relic posted by Cmdr megacrafter above with the one that Cmdr Thatchinho Iposted the pther day & which I found I had saved on my ipad. I believe the internal glyphs are different between the two, but comparison is a bit tricky with the different lighting and view angles, & I can't see how to reduce cyan level on my ipad.

So would really welcome more hires pix of the internal views of ALL the relics, preferably with the same orientation, to explore this hypothesis.
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Do you know if anyone has tried to analyse the light pulses coming from the ancient artifacts?
 

CMDR Vox-Lee

CMDR Vox-Lee
Like this guys videos.
[video=youtube;nRZYNDwrNwQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRZYNDwrNwQ[/video]

Makes a good point and mentions you guys :D
 
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MoSs

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Ronineter said:
could someone please confirm if the North pole is actually our (0,0) coordinate on planets? I need to know for a theory about how the layout of the ruins could tell use the precise location off the sites.

im suspecting they calculated their zero reference with the bodies the supposed planets orbit around. and that why the one were searching for are on tidally locked planets.
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No, North pole would be 90,[anything] and south -90,[anything], 0,0 is "start" dead center of the equator

And remember cause I've seen lots of people confusing coordinates, Lat goes from -90 to 90, Long goes from -180 to 180.

Cause i have seen someone posting a coordinate with Lat 160 which doesn't exist...
 
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Clanga

Clanga
Scaarab said:
Even better anyone made a spectograph of the sound the relic towers emit with the relics inside? If I remember correctly they were distinctively different. But I have no tools and I was preoccupied with the relic combos and now im 500 ly away.... Pretty plox?
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The circled things are interesting when listened to at half speed, otherwise the spectrogram really just gives a sine wave (which *may* be important!)
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rashkaindaspace

rashkaindaspace
Thisdale said:
That's not bad!

We have to rememer that by what we knowl; the Guardians used mostly Visual Elements to communicate and like Geometry. It's interesting that different site configuration can represent different type of information/knowledge. It's also impossible represent a system visually because it moves all the time (sun, planets, moons...); so a visual representation of their content and/or meaning is more appropriate/logical.
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I agree with you. Btw Ram's words ("divine their precise locations") prove it. He's a tough engineer with vast computing resources. If he can not accurately calculate something, then we can't do it too. Moreover, we haven't special tools for this (I mean in-game mechanics). I'm sure that D 4 A is second planet with ruins by 99%. Despite the fact that this planet is not like the first one. But who said that it should?
 
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