THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

Someone posted earlier that a type 1 Drive from back then would give the sidewinder a range of 7, a type 2 a range of 30 something, iirc.

Ah - sorry, i didn't read the first post correctly. Yes, the Type 1 had a range of 7 ly, but for every ship, in every direction.

Regarding the type2b: I don't think a Sidewinder would be able to jump 30 ly with one of those under normal circumstances, because:

These hyperdrive mechanisms were also bulky, requiring many tonnes of shipboard space to be consumed during installation. Various sizes (or classes) of drive were available, but ship size still limited their installation. Jump range was proportional to the size of the drive and inversely proportional to the mass of the ship. Hyperdrives ranged in size from the class 1 at 6 tonnes, to the enormous class 8 at 600 tonnes.

These type 2b hyperspace mechanisms did have one advantage over the previous types however, jump ranges were extendable by class of drive, far exceeding the 7 lightyear limit. Ships were able to travel dozens of lightyears in a single bound.

In rare cases it was noticed that these hyperdrive mechanisms were able to take advantage of strange undocumented wormholes in space. It has been reported that jumps of distances of over 655 lightyears were achieved by judicious plotting.

"dozens of lightyears" may count for the class 8 type 2b drive, but my guess would be, that a Sidewinder with a class 1 and 6 tonnes plus enormous amounts of fuel required for such a journey would not be able to jump much more than 15 ly

See the new section on the front page about Current Activities. These mysterious beacons the missions were unloading seem to have a similar activity to UA's and UP's found around the Pleides. And we were told that "They are all linked - The Rift, Conflux, Hawkings Gap and what's happening now in the Pleiades." (can someone remember where that was from? - can't find a link to it)

Still, i'm not convinced that these where UA's and UP's. The Obelisks, Urns and what not from the Ruins of the Guardians where also "Artifacts"
 
Still, i'm not convinced that these where UA's and UP's. The Obelisks, Urns and what not from the Ruins of the Guardians where also "Artifacts"

No, we just don't know. It may have been artifacts, but they havn't been reported as turning ships completely offline when activated, causing jump drive failures, hyperdictions and squawking some weird code, as these mysterious beacons have.



I'm still wading through the front page. Have now added to the timeline some earlier events regarding hyperdrive technology, previous Thargoid encounters and where the Dynasty Expedition fits in chronologically.
 
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Now, I would agree with you, except this is where things get murky with ED. Some things stick to "modern" known limitations and lore, and others don't, for "gameplay". Which is fine, of course, but which is it in this case? We would need to allow for both. I think it heavily depends on who did this part of the story - if it was Drew, I'd be willing to bet on real known physics accuracy, but if it were a Dev, I'd be going with instant message transfers.

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Drew heavily implies in the lore that we have FTL comms "In those days when faster-than-light communication didn’t exist, many of these potential settlers faced terrible risks alone, travelling thousands of light years into the void, not unlike the wagon trains that set out across continental US in the 18th and 19th centuries before them." - Source see Paragraph 4
 
Except we have the mention in one of the messages that they are deploying "artefacts" , so are they deploying UA or UP? And is that maybe some contribution to the destruction of the support ships -UA corrosion?

I have only ever carried a UA in my cargo hold, never even seen a UP yet :D Does a UP cause the same toxic damage as a UA?

Since the beginning ;), it's the system the CG started from. Once we've searched all ELWs within 200 LYs (possibly we already have), then we'll move out further.

Sorry man, i remember the CG well! But i never took part in it.. :( suppose i should of done now. Still getting to grips with the whole mystery, only been in it a week, but i will get there. I have always known about the mystery though, just never thought about taking part in it... until now, as it has me hooked!
 
Has anyone tried tirggering an ECM next to a beacon or a base?

This line makes me suspicious (why was it mentioned, what has come of it, nothing here is by coincidence);

"Some of the less outlandish theories include the suggestion that electronic countermeasure technology was reverse-engineered from captured Thargoid vessels."

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/57ada8969657baeb6e876c6c

I'm thinking not many explorers will carry an ECM as part of there loadout so it may not have been tested yet?

Fly Safe!
CMDR Jim Dangerous

Anybody tried this? Sorry for the reply to my own post, but it got left behind several pages back due the inexplicably long time awaiting moderation! :-(

I was in the rift in my totally unarmed T6-Transporter a few months ago, but been back in the bubble running some missions for the Dark Wheel. Given all the stories of hyperdictions and "lurking evil", I'm outfitting a fully armed and shielded Diamond Explorer for my next adventure in the rift (complete with ECM and a Wave Scanner - just in case they come in handy)! :)

Catch you out there in The Rift!
CMDR Jim Dangerous
 
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Anyboday tried this? Sorry for the reply to my own post, but it got left behind several pages back due the inexplicably long time awaiting moderation! :-(

I was in the rift in my totally unarmed T6-Transporter a few months ago, but been back in the bubble running some missions for the Dark Wheel. Given all the stories of hyperdictions and "lurking evil", I'm outfitting a fully armed and shielded Diamond Explorer for my next adventure in the rift (complete with ECM and a Wave Scanner - just in case they come in handy)! :)

Catch you out there in The Rift!
CMDR Jim Dangerous

ECM has been tried on Dynasty Beacons with no effect.
 
A thought has just occurred to me.. does anybody actually know what killed these expedition teams?

Some suspicious accidents and at least one suicide.
The rest are just kinda missing...

Absolutely NO axe-wielding penguins were involved.


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I'm not sure where the definitive list of Earth-likes is, but I've come across an untagged one in EAFOTS NX-T C3-0, at ~400LY from the bases. It has a nice little landable moon too, for those of you who enjoy that kind of thing.
 
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Some suspicious accidents and at least one suicide.
The rest are just kinda missing...

Absolutely NO axe-wielding penguins were involved.

[haha] [haha] *looks suspiciously at your avatar*

Seriously though... cant just be "The Thargoids" can it and be Something much worse?

That system might be worth checking out. Not in the Rift now though, heading back there soon.
 
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Some suspicious accidents and at least one suicide.
The rest are just kinda missing...

Absolutely NO axe-wielding penguins were involved.


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I'm not sure where the definitive list of Earth-likes is, but I've come across an untagged one in EAFOTS NX-T C3-0, at ~400LY from the bases. It has a nice little landable moon too, for those of you who enjoy that kind of thing.

how about axe's wielding penguins?
 
Ran into a couple of anomalies of worlds displayed in EDD and EDDN and probably EDSM too as atmosphereless Ammonia or Earth like now have atmospheres. I'm guessing it's something that got fixed in some recent update. However they'll never get fixed in EDD and EDDN automatically AFIK one has to go and manually correct them through ROSS. Just worth knowing ALW's and ELW's listed without atmosphere are most likely false.

Why i'm following up to you is, I think we're finally here,,,

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Instinct tells me there's enough for the murder board which they don't call it anymore having a -+bad word in it so the preference is crazy wall or board or professionally link analysis software but that leads directly to big data security contractors and sites that battled with my browser and security settings. So its either MI5/NSA level stuff or crappy Visio, Trello, and Onenote which don't seem good enough. What's a band of junior Ms Marples to do?

That image really belongs in the OP on the first page ...
 
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A thought has just occurred to me.. does anybody actually know what killed these expedition teams?

Along those same lines, why were only the ships destroyed and not the settlements and beacons?

Answer to settlements question:
Thargoid 1 : "Do you want to search all over that huge planet?"
Thargoids 2-1500 "PRAK NO! Let's buzz their "Bubble" and leave a dung mound on one of their moons!"
 
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I've seen some talk about how the tire tracks at the settlements seem to lead up to the "gates" where they appear to stop. I think the tracks lead both ways. To the gate and from the gate.

This is where you need to don your tinfoil headdress. LOTS of tinfoil.

Fingers have been pointing to Sirius Corporation. They weren't working alone. Faulcon deLacy is involved. The expedition appears to have departed from Reorte, home to Faulcon deLacy. The Dynasty Expedition fleet appears to have been comprised of Anaconda carriers with on-board Sidewinders. Both ships are of Faulcon deLacy manufacture.

The surface settlements are pretty big. Huge. Either they were manufactured in situ or everything had to be brought all the way to the locations... by ships already laden with Sidewinders and cargo holds full of beacons.

I'm pretty sure that most of you have either experienced for yourself or watched a video of a "flower ship" hyperdiction. Toward the end of the encounter the alien appears to fire some kind of beam that creates a rift in space. The ship enters the rift and disappears.

I'd like to propose, purely as conjecture, that the gates on the surface settlements might use a similar technology to what these flower ships are using and that the gates are interconnected. Vehicles could have traveled up to the gate at the Formidine Rift Alpha site, pass through hyperspace, and arrive driving away from the gate at the Formidine Rift Beta site. They were experimenting with new hyperspace technologies. Technologies that wouldn't require the vessel passing through hyperspace to actually carry it's own jumpdrive.

Technologies that woke something up?

I know, I know. That's a lot of conjecture with very little evidence but think about it:

Sirius Corporation is definitely in the hyperspace business. Metadrive comes up with some new hyperspace technology of their own and... Sirius shuts them down. Possibly even had Metadrive's chairman disposed of.

Evidence suggests that Raan Corsen made off with a series of so-called 'exodus documents'. During the audit of Metadrive a junior employee was removed from the audit team merely for mentioning that these documents were missing. Exodus, of course, is directly linked to the unregistered comms beacons in the Rift, Conflux and Gap.

Either Metadrive itself was directly involved (unlikely since they are referred to as a startup company) or they had obtained the Exodus Documents from Sirus Corporation through corporate espionage. Those documents, I believe, contained the results of the experimentation and Metadrive's "new" hyperspace technology is simply built on the results of these experiments.

Now for something I don't get:

Drew's lore document on hyperspace says that the frame shift drive was introduced in 3290 but the Galnet article that introduced us to Metadrive says that the London Treat was signed in 3278 FOLLOWING the introduction of the frame shift drive. Which is it? If Galnet is correct then it lends credo toward my theory since the results of research in 3270 could have been put into practice by 3278.

The Antares was lost in 3251 and used a hyperdrive that was, according to Galnet, a predecessor to the "modern fast hyperdrives". Federal Vice President Nigel Smeaton's death was linked to the Antares incident in this Galnet article: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/55ded1f39657ba672b5b8fda

I am growing more and more convinced that everything about these sites, the Dynasty Expedition and the Exodus Documents are linked to hyperspace technology.
 
The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero


Why giraffe? I know it is a constellation that is near cassiopeia, but in the myth regarding cassiopeia there is no giraffe, what makes me believe that because it is not in the myth would be a clue? In the edsm EAFOTS and the Rift enter the division of what would be the "giraffe" as I remember, would be this area which should be seen? Maybe, it is +/- 600ly to the left of the current beacons.

Maybe it's the madness of the space affecting me, I stay in the ship thinking a lot with BOB the bobhead that accompanies me in the trips
 
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I've seen some talk about how the tire tracks at the settlements seem to lead up to the "gates" where they appear to stop. I think the tracks lead both ways. To the gate and from the gate.

This is where you need to don your tinfoil headdress. LOTS of tinfoil.

Fingers have been pointing to Sirius Corporation. They weren't working alone. Faulcon deLacy is involved. The expedition appears to have departed from Reorte, home to Faulcon deLacy. The Dynasty Expedition fleet appears to have been comprised of Anaconda carriers with on-board Sidewinders. Both ships are of Faulcon deLacy manufacture.

The surface settlements are pretty big. Huge. Either they were manufactured in situ or everything had to be brought all the way to the locations... by ships already laden with Sidewinders and cargo holds full of beacons.

I'm pretty sure that most of you have either experienced for yourself or watched a video of a "flower ship" hyperdiction. Toward the end of the encounter the alien appears to fire some kind of beam that creates a rift in space. The ship enters the rift and disappears.

I'd like to propose, purely as conjecture, that the gates on the surface settlements might use a similar technology to what these flower ships are using and that the gates are interconnected. Vehicles could have traveled up to the gate at the Formidine Rift Alpha site, pass through hyperspace, and arrive driving away from the gate at the Formidine Rift Beta site. They were experimenting with new hyperspace technologies. Technologies that wouldn't require the vessel passing through hyperspace to actually carry it's own jumpdrive.

Technologies that woke something up?

I know, I know. That's a lot of conjecture with very little evidence but think about it:

Sirius Corporation is definitely in the hyperspace business. Metadrive comes up with some new hyperspace technology of their own and... Sirius shuts them down. Possibly even had Metadrive's chairman disposed of.

Evidence suggests that Raan Corsen made off with a series of so-called 'exodus documents'. During the audit of Metadrive a junior employee was removed from the audit team merely for mentioning that these documents were missing. Exodus, of course, is directly linked to the unregistered comms beacons in the Rift, Conflux and Gap.

Either Metadrive itself was directly involved (unlikely since they are referred to as a startup company) or they had obtained the Exodus Documents from Sirus Corporation through corporate espionage. Those documents, I believe, contained the results of the experimentation and Metadrive's "new" hyperspace technology is simply built on the results of these experiments.

Now for something I don't get:

Drew's lore document on hyperspace says that the frame shift drive was introduced in 3290 but the Galnet article that introduced us to Metadrive says that the London Treat was signed in 3278 FOLLOWING the introduction of the frame shift drive. Which is it? If Galnet is correct then it lends credo toward my theory since the results of research in 3270 could have been put into practice by 3278.

The Antares was lost in 3251 and used a hyperdrive that was, according to Galnet, a predecessor to the "modern fast hyperdrives". Federal Vice President Nigel Smeaton's death was linked to the Antares incident in this Galnet article: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/55ded1f39657ba672b5b8fda

I am growing more and more convinced that everything about these sites, the Dynasty Expedition and the Exodus Documents are linked to hyperspace technology.

I like this theory very much!
 
I've seen some talk about how the tire tracks at the settlements seem to lead up to the "gates" where they appear to stop. I think the tracks lead both ways. To the gate and from the gate.

This is where you need to don your tinfoil headdress. LOTS of tinfoil.

Fingers have been pointing to Sirius Corporation. They weren't working alone. Faulcon deLacy is involved. The expedition appears to have departed from Reorte, home to Faulcon deLacy. The Dynasty Expedition fleet appears to have been comprised of Anaconda carriers with on-board Sidewinders. Both ships are of Faulcon deLacy manufacture.

The surface settlements are pretty big. Huge. Either they were manufactured in situ or everything had to be brought all the way to the locations... by ships already laden with Sidewinders and cargo holds full of beacons.

I'm pretty sure that most of you have either experienced for yourself or watched a video of a "flower ship" hyperdiction. Toward the end of the encounter the alien appears to fire some kind of beam that creates a rift in space. The ship enters the rift and disappears.

I'd like to propose, purely as conjecture, that the gates on the surface settlements might use a similar technology to what these flower ships are using and that the gates are interconnected. Vehicles could have traveled up to the gate at the Formidine Rift Alpha site, pass through hyperspace, and arrive driving away from the gate at the Formidine Rift Beta site. They were experimenting with new hyperspace technologies. Technologies that wouldn't require the vessel passing through hyperspace to actually carry it's own jumpdrive.

Technologies that woke something up?

I know, I know. That's a lot of conjecture with very little evidence but think about it:

Sirius Corporation is definitely in the hyperspace business. Metadrive comes up with some new hyperspace technology of their own and... Sirius shuts them down. Possibly even had Metadrive's chairman disposed of.

Evidence suggests that Raan Corsen made off with a series of so-called 'exodus documents'. During the audit of Metadrive a junior employee was removed from the audit team merely for mentioning that these documents were missing. Exodus, of course, is directly linked to the unregistered comms beacons in the Rift, Conflux and Gap.

Either Metadrive itself was directly involved (unlikely since they are referred to as a startup company) or they had obtained the Exodus Documents from Sirus Corporation through corporate espionage. Those documents, I believe, contained the results of the experimentation and Metadrive's "new" hyperspace technology is simply built on the results of these experiments.

Now for something I don't get:

Drew's lore document on hyperspace says that the frame shift drive was introduced in 3290 but the Galnet article that introduced us to Metadrive says that the London Treat was signed in 3278 FOLLOWING the introduction of the frame shift drive. Which is it? If Galnet is correct then it lends credo toward my theory since the results of research in 3270 could have been put into practice by 3278.

The Antares was lost in 3251 and used a hyperdrive that was, according to Galnet, a predecessor to the "modern fast hyperdrives". Federal Vice President Nigel Smeaton's death was linked to the Antares incident in this Galnet article: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/55ded1f39657ba672b5b8fda

I am growing more and more convinced that everything about these sites, the Dynasty Expedition and the Exodus Documents are linked to hyperspace technology.

Very nice research. There is also the similarity of the Antares wreck with that of Starship One, which also suffered a complicated ermm "failure" of its experimental FSD. A lot of people investigating it seem to have fallen under a bus as well. Coincidentally, Starship One was replaced by a pair of Farraguts manufactured by...Core...Dyna...mics. Hmm...

Re. the Antares drive and it's subsequent adaptation for the modern drive:

The final safety report into the incident found there were insufficient safety precautions within the internal drive systems. This delayed the commercial introduction of these drives for several years, damaging the Sirius Corporation, and ultimately resulting in the fitting of many additional safety features to these new hyperdrives. It was later speculated that the deaths of those on the Highliner Antares effectively saved the lives of many more in the subsequent decades, as the number of ships that went missing was measurably reduced, and the new drives proved to be much more reliable than the earlier, slower drives they replaced.

Lastly, the logs from private data beacons point very strongly to an existing problem with FSD drives, that drive manufacturers aren't going to like being made public. And it seems to be associated with rather a lot of unhappy endings.
 
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