Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
Xenia_K said:
how far did U circumnav ZL on -30° lat ? currently im doing same (started at -30/-85 and currently beein -30/-150, so if U did a portion please let me know so i do not waste time in that strip :)
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im currently in Synuefe XO-P c22-17 on World D2 - Northern Hemisphere, Latitude 30 heading east.

Nothing so far.
 

MadDogMurdock

MadDogMurdock
Confirmed Lang 1 from A10 although I'm not sure which of the 2 obelisks there gave it to me.

For consistency with the numbering from Site 1 should the A-ring go from 1 to 20 though. They are all obelisk pairs.

Half of A2 also lit in Solo
 
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CMDR_Halceon

CMDR_Halceon
AdmlAdama said:
Alright. Finally got it working and it's very rough but should get somebody started.

Lunar Orbit and Parallel Orbit for Ruins
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Wow--I think you posted this while I was typing my question. If it hasn't been answered by tonight, I'll check it out myself! I was halfway done with a calculational tool that wasn't nearly so nice, but I suppose I should get back to work.
 

CMDR T3RO I KTULU

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Xenia_K said:
how far did U circumnav ZL on -30° lat ? currently im doing same (started at -30/-85 and currently beein -30/-150, so if U did a portion please let me know so i do not waste time in that strip :)
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i m following 30 lat not -30 . started at -30, 30 ------> -30, 60 ------> -30, 90 then -30, -30; -30, -60; -30, -90
 
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SpaceGoblin

SpaceGoblin
AdmlAdama said:
Then this is for you. The orbital path and offset works for both the first and second rise and set is something we've been discussing for awhile and it's nice to have that confirmed by the second site.

This tool calculates a parallel orbit where the ruins will fall on. There may be some slight variation due to readings, etc but should fall well within the distance where they can be seen/heard

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ies-Thread-9-The-Canonn?p=5086174#post5086174
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Yeah, it looks awesome!

Been trying to get my head around it for the last 10 mins - my brain is putty atm, been a long hard day and some fool stayed up half the night chasing moons :rolleyes:

Thanks for the heads up, I'll see if I can get to grips with it tonight.
 

Suteksio

Suteksio
For example, this would be the orbital path and estimated ruin locations for Synuefe XO-P C22-17 D 2

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Rabbit-HH

Rabbit-HH
I've just finished first step of my MAP-SET.

You'll find it here:

MAP-SET of Ruine Type II

I called this ruine type the TYPE II. After we've discovered the second ruine site and regocnized that it's exact the same as the first discovered site, i called this first type TYPE I.

The map-set is not finished jet, it's not colored jet and i will modificate it with the ongoing findings (combos, zones, eg. ...).

Numbering of the obelisk based on numbering from the first drawings i found with complete numbering of all obelisk here:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=5085191&viewfull=1#post5085191

/EDIT: I've just found 3 beacons, i don't know if there is a fourth. If so, please let me know. Thanks.
And i missed 1 object/artefact. The place was empty (in SOLO) as i discovered the site.
 
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AdmlAdama

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QorbeQ said:
Nicely done CMDR.

Any ideas on the correct displacement angle to put into my calculator (even if it changes per radius)? I can fiddle it to get a match for each site, but I'd like to predict rather than work backwards for future sites.

http://i.imgur.com/hYGAw0K.png
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This tool predicts and is for use in surveying new sites. I just used a known site as a working example. So on a new site enter the 2 lat/lon coordinates from the moon and the radius.

Here's what it does.

1. Use coordinate 1 and coordinate 2 to get a bearing.
2. Use this bearing and coordinate to generate a great circle arc
3. Taking the original bearing if it's greater than 180 then the orbit is moving in such a way that the ruin will be southward. Otherwise northward.
4. Get 44% of the radius. This will be the distance to use in km from each given point.
5. Continually add km in distance to this great circle from step 2 and get the new coordinate. That's a point on the sphere. Repeat this process for the for every x km in the diameter. This actually just gives us half the points.
6. For each new point get its bearing. rotate plus or minus 90 degree and then get a new coordinate from that bearing that is the offset distance we calculated in step 4. This new point is the point in our parallel orbit.

Repeats the above the antipodal which gives us the other half and also ensures our coordinates are ordered in such a way that they are seamless.

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SpaceGoblin said:
Yeah, it looks awesome!

Been trying to get my head around it for the last 10 mins - my brain is putty atm, been a long hard day and some fool stayed up half the night chasing moons :rolleyes:

Thanks for the heads up, I'll see if I can get to grips with it tonight.
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Mine is definitely putty. It wasn't until I visualized it on a map that I saw what I was doing wrong.

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CMDR_Halceon said:
Wow--I think you posted this while I was typing my question. If it hasn't been answered by tonight, I'll check it out myself! I was halfway done with a calculational tool that wasn't nearly so nice, but I suppose I should get back to work.
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Thanks. I've been doing this for days. At first I was focused on finding intersections of bodies. Didn't hit me at first that the ruins would be offset in order for them to line up.
 

QorbeQ

QorbeQ
AdmlAdama said:
This tool predicts and is for use in surveying new sites. I just used a known site as a working example. So on a new site enter the 2 lat/lon coordinates from the moon and the radius.

Here's what it does.

1. Use coordinate 1 and coordinate 2 to get a bearing.
2. Use this bearing and coordinate to generate a great circle arc
3. Taking the original bearing if it's greater than 180 then the orbit is moving in such a way that the ruin will be southward. Otherwise northward.
4. Get 44% of the radius. This will be the distance to use in km from each given point.
5. Continually add km in distance to this great circle from step 2 and get the new coordinate. That's a point on the sphere. Repeat this process for the for every x km in the diameter. This actually just gives us half the points.
6. For each new point get its bearing. rotate plus or minus 90 degree and then get a new coordinate from that bearing that is the offset distance we calculated in step 4. This new point is the point in our parallel orbit.

Repeats the above the antipodal which gives us the other half and also ensures our coordinates are ordered in such a way that they are seamless.

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Mine is definitely putty. It wasn't until I visualized it on a map that I saw what I was doing wrong.
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44% of the radius is always 26.1 degrees on the surface isnt it, irrespective of the planet's radius?
 

AdmlAdama

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Vasco Sapien said:
My thinking is this..

All sites found so far are at the same latitudes in both hemispheres. Each world with a ruin has a single close moon, has a temperature range of 220 to 300 kelvin and all have the same predominant mineral wealth.
Ive arrived at Lat: 30.00 or Lat: -30.00 and set my heading to 90 degree's due East and ran a 6km high sweep circumnavigating the body at these Latitudes.

If i had to choose a place to search i would choose these.

Lat: 30.00 or -30.00 / 90 degree's west and straight forward until dawn.

Synuefe XO-P c22-17
AB3
D2

Synuefe ZL-J d10-119
(Pending - heading there now for detailed scans, but two worlds are with a moon and the right make up)


ANCIENT RUINS SITE 3

IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 C3

Lat: 29.42 Northern hemisphere

ANCIEN T RUINS SITE 2

IC 2391 SECTOR GW-V B2-4 B 1

LAT: -29.10 Southern hemisphere


ANCIEN T RUINS SITE 1

Synuefe XR-H D11-102 Planet 1B

LAT: -31.7877 Southern hemisphere
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That's interesting. If true combined with the paths I'm able to generate you could focus on the tracks that fall within those given latitudes (I assume most will fall in for less extreme orbital inclinations)

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QorbeQ said:
44% of the radius is always 26.1 degrees on the surface isnt it, irrespective of the planet's radius?
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Indeed it is. It's a hacky way of getting the proper offset without restoring to full trig.
 

Victin

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I just did a circuit around the ruins and cleared out any resource nodes and also found a crash site with 8 escape pods. Unfortunately the ruins are no longer showing as a poi so it looks like we're out of luck there.
 

AdmlAdama

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Vasco Sapien said:
Synuefe XO-P C22-17 D 2 is technically not a moon as it's one of two worlds orbiting a barycenter and both are tidally locked.
how does this effect your model?
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I'm projecting a great circle based on the 2 locations. Assuming that only certain locations have persistent alignment with the moon/body it will still work as those areas will be I the orbital path.

If the orbit changes such that no coordinates are aligned with the rising/setting body then my model won't work. But the ruin site also couldn't be aligned and thus wouldn't be on that system.

This is based on the premise that the ruins are setup to align with the rising/setting moon/body. If that doesn't hold true then this won't work and this relationship is coincidental.

So far it doesn't seem that way but you never know.
 
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