concern about flight stick (x55) in elite

Zallibik · Jun 28, 2014

So I bought a Saitek x55 for elite dangerous and its under full warranty so before I assume something is wrong I thought id ask you guys who know a bit more about stuff

tested it in Microsoft flight and when I'm not touching the stick my plane still descends (although the stick is central) even if I tilt the plane slightly upwards before letting go. Will this be a problem in elite dangerous ? I'm really hoping nothing is wrong with the controller.

I can't test it in elite until standard beta.

thank you.

Nomadski · Jun 28, 2014

Change the deadzone.

Zallibik · Jun 28, 2014

I did calibrate it yeah, and thanks ill give the dead zone a try.

jgm · Jun 28, 2014

Yeah a small* deadzone on all axes is a good thing to put in for Elite. It removes a lot of the drift that you see otherwise, and it makes no real difference to the responsiveness.

*By small I mean 1-2 widths of the bar away from 0.

Zallibik · Jun 28, 2014

jgm said:
Yeah a small* deadzone on all axes is a good thing to put in for Elite. It removes a lot of the drift that you see otherwise, and it makes no real difference to the responsiveness.

*By small I mean 1-2 widths of the bar away from 0.

so there is nothing wrong with my controller ?

and thank you.

jgm · Jun 28, 2014

Zallibik said:
so there is nothing wrong with my controller ?

and thank you.

Well I certainly can't promise, but given that it's an analogue controller it's not totally unexpected that there is some drift. I would try to use it with Elite as soon as possible, though, to be sure that it works as expected.

Zallibik · Jun 28, 2014

ok thanks

and yeah it is only very very slight drift. I was just a little concerned that it was not flying straight once I let go of the stick.

technome · Jun 28, 2014

jgm said:
Yeah a small* deadzone on all axes is a good thing to put in for Elite. It removes a lot of the drift that you see otherwise, and it makes no real difference to the responsiveness.

*By small I mean 1-2 widths of the bar away from 0.

My X-55 needs a very small deadzone like this on both the pitch and roll axes. I put one on yaw too, just to be on the safe side.

Zallibik · Jun 28, 2014

technome said:
My X-55 needs a very small deadzone like this on both the pitch and roll axes. I put one on yaw too, just to be on the safe side.

that is a relief to hear, yeah I set a small deadzone "50" and it has solved the problem I think, will know for sure on the 29th

I genuinely appreciate the help thanks.

Non Grata · Jun 28, 2014

I don't know if MS Flight models trim, but if it does it might not be the stick at all. If the effect changes (or even reverses) with speed then it's the game not the stick.

Bootsock · Jun 28, 2014

Try a softer spring which should have been supplied with it.

Alternatively, there's probably something in the mega X55 thread for you....

searlecom · Jun 28, 2014

Don't forget you need to set your trim on a flight sim, so may not be your stick

trekman · Jun 28, 2014

I don't know where you bought yours from but I have heard that some of them that came from the USA do suffer from mechanical problems. I have also heard on this very forum that people are having great success with them so maybe you are just one of the unlucky ones that have a defective one. If the deadzone adjustments dont work and its still under warranty then send it back for repair or a replacement.

OldSalt · Jun 28, 2014

In MS flight if your X55 is deflecting from centre when you let it go you should see the yoke/stick move forward. If it doesn't most likely you aren't trimmed properly.

Also make sure you haven't assigned another axis to pitch in your controls.

Dogmeat · Jun 28, 2014

Install the HUD software, filename "X55_Rhino_7_0_33_91_x64_Software.exe" and let it calibrate the stick. Then check if the axes are properly centred, and set a deadzone accordingly.

My stick is very accurate: only 3% deadzone (30/1000) is plenty for me. If you're still getting creep in Flightsim then it must be your trim, as pointed out above (the rotaries on the throttle base are IDEAL for setting trim!)

Zallibik · Jun 29, 2014

Thanks a lot guys, I believe the trim was making a difference in MS flight, as it does change when I increase and decrease speed, I also did set a very small dead zone which seems to have removed the problems...

also recalibrated using the official software ofc.

I appreciate all the fast replys, thanks again.

Adept · Jun 29, 2014

jgm said:
Yeah a small* deadzone on all axes is a good thing to put in for Elite. It removes a lot of the drift that you see otherwise, and it makes no real difference to the responsiveness.

*By small I mean 1-2 widths of the bar away from 0.

Not to sound like an elitist d*ick, but it's really unfortunate if a brand new stick requires deadzone

if it's possible with the stick software to put in a s-shaped response curve that would eliminate the need for that, then so much better.

Deadzones are bad

technome · Jun 29, 2014

Adept said:
Not to sound like an elitist d*ick, but it's really unfortunate if a brand new stick requires deadzone if it's possible with the stick software to put in a s-shaped response curve that would eliminate the need for that, then so much better.

An S-shaped response curve would minimise the need for a deadzone, but it wouldn't eliminate it unless it was a really extreme curve.

Deadzones are bad

I disagree. That's only your opinion. My preference is to set a narrow "corridor" of movement where I know that I'm getting a pure pitching movement with absolutely zero roll and, more importantly, another that gives a pure roll with no pitching.

Galantir · Jun 29, 2014

Zallibik said:
So I bought a Saitek x55 for elite dangerous and its under full warranty so before I assume something is wrong I thought id ask you guys who know a bit more about stuff

tested it in Microsoft flight and when I'm not touching the stick my plane still descends (although the stick is central) even if I tilt the plane slightly upwards before letting go. Will this be a problem in elite dangerous ? I'm really hoping nothing is wrong with the controller.

I can't test it in elite until standard beta.

thank you.

I hope you are an experienced flight simulator player and take into account that planes need to be trimmed. I highly doub this is your stick and more likely due to a not trimmed out aircraft. In lfight simulator there's not a single aircraft that will fly straight without being trimmed.

Zallibik · Jun 29, 2014

Adept said:
Not to sound like an elitist d*ick, but it's really unfortunate if a brand new stick requires deadzone if it's possible with the stick software to put in a s-shaped response curve that would eliminate the need for that, then so much better.

Deadzones are bad

yeah it might not actually need a dead zone now iv played with the trims but im only interested in using it for elite not ms flight, and yeah you can add curves with the software no problem, also the deadzone could jus be a 1% deadzone if you wanted so small you wouldn't actually notice it.