General / Off-Topic Are we brexiting?
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We will see what shape the country is in after another 18 months of this chaos.
Europe may be magnanimous, but they really shouldn't be.
Watching the stock and currency markets will be interesting.
Yep.
The markets will be interesting, but the political effects of Brexit have become apparent in other ways during the past week. Boris Johnson has flown to the USA to patch things up after the President accused the British of spying on him. The UK is now so deperate for a deal with the USA it will fly over to kiss the backside of the man who has accused them of a crime during a mindless 5AM tweet from his toilet seat.
So much for the national pride of Brexiteers.
In other news, one of the sources of the NHS crisis has become painfully apparent. These numbers are absolutely shocking. It is beyond belief that this is being allowed to happen, and is testament to the dangers of ignoring experts.
We will see what shape the country is in after another 18 months of this chaos.
Don't even go there. Hopefully I'll still have a job and my tax-paying friends won't have been deported.
They won't be, not in their interests. Ditto the ~50bn "bill" for programs that we have already signed up to. If we tell them to get stuffed any trade negotiations may prove... interesting.
We are so screwed.
One pal of ours is already emigrating back to her country of origin with her family.
They might be magnanimous if the UK has a change of heart and asks to be allowed back in. Of course there will be concessions (rebate will go, the UK will have to sign up to Schengen, and of course it will have to take its fair share of refugees) but the EU would have the UK back.
March 29th, an ominous date. It is the aniversary of the Battle of Towton, the bloodiest and most violent battle ever in England.
It was caused by an incompetant and weak ruler (Henry the 6th) who allowed the powerful and ambitious around him to become more powerful than he, so he basically became a puppet of their demands. When the battle came Henry's army was vastly outnumbered (although Henry didn't actually show up for it) and got bogged down in vicious hand to hand fighting that lasted hours, resulting in the deaths of thousands of men who followed Henry.
There was even a guy called Lord Dacre who fought for Henry and took an arrow in the neck.
Odd how these things happen isn't it?
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Interesting thing about Article 50 triggering is...
We have 2 years to complete the process.
It's taken nearly a year for the UK gov's to get ready (if indeed they are ready) to trigger A50. (The fact that they are doing it 1 day before Tm's arbitrary deadline probably means they are not ready but they would rather go ahead anyway than delay).
According to the news, only after A50 is triggered will the EU call a summit of leaders 4-8 weeks later, and then discussing "giving the rules of engagement" to their negotiators. So it will take 2 months (8.3% of the entire time available) before they are ready to even set a date for the first negotiation sessions.
As I keep saying, the reason the UK gov't is talking about exiting with no deal is because it's pretty much inevitable, since it's highly unlikely they can get this all done in 2 years, and also unlikely the EU will agree to an extension which will require agreement of all 27 countries.
EU seems comfortable with this also, since they are obviously not in any hurry.
We have 2 years to complete the process.
It's taken nearly a year for the UK gov's to get ready (if indeed they are ready) to trigger A50. (The fact that they are doing it 1 day before Tm's arbitrary deadline probably means they are not ready but they would rather go ahead anyway than delay).
According to the news, only after A50 is triggered will the EU call a summit of leaders 4-8 weeks later, and then discussing "giving the rules of engagement" to their negotiators. So it will take 2 months (8.3% of the entire time available) before they are ready to even set a date for the first negotiation sessions.
As I keep saying, the reason the UK gov't is talking about exiting with no deal is because it's pretty much inevitable, since it's highly unlikely they can get this all done in 2 years, and also unlikely the EU will agree to an extension which will require agreement of all 27 countries.
EU seems comfortable with this also, since they are obviously not in any hurry.
Maybe the first stage of change and a long term high-level roadmap can be established before the end of the 2 year period? Is there anything stopping further time being allotted as part of the negotiations to establishing a final exit deal though? No-one has done this before so sticking to some deadline with no proper measure of if it's enough or not is kinda stupid don't you think...
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Many commenters argued for Theresa May to get a transitional deal while negotiations on EU-UK relations were thrashed out. The hard Brexit lunatics (Daily Mail, Express, David Davis) argued against it as they felt it would lead to a situation where the UK remained within the EU indefinitely on a "we'll do it later" sort of relationship.
It is perfectly possible to extend that deadline by years, even a decade or two, but it will depend upon the goodwill of the Europeans allowing the UK to do so. The man who would make such a request is the champion diplomat Boris Johnson.
On transitional deal:
[video=youtube;PJGIIAkbTsk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJGIIAkbTsk[/video]
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Yep, enter soft brexit....I can't see how it could work any other way, I just hope the current stance with hard brexit is just part of the negotiations process....I can hope right
yup. I suspect the hard brexit stance is a negotiating tactic. Play hardball, and then soften. If you soften up front you then cannot take a hardline approach if you need to later
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Yep, enter soft brexit....I can't see how it could work any other way, I just hope the current stance with hard brexit is just part of the negotiations process....I can hope right
I haven't seen anything to suggest this. Boris, Davis and May would have to be world class actors. I think it's far more likely that they are exactly what they seem to be. Harliners and buffoons, who think attitude and a stiff upper lip trumps reason and reality.
It really is the end of the month
yeah the EU can't be a fascist superstate run by Germany with an iron fist as well as being a toothless talking shop incapable of agreeing anything!
Granted there are many challenges facing the EU.
I saw an interesting quote to the effect that the EU will always be facing big crises' because that's it's function - to deal with stuff that is bigger than than the ability of individual countries to deal with. If the crisis was small, it would be dealt with before it got to EU level.
Saying that the EU is always in crisis as a negative would be like saying firemen are arsonists because they are always near fires.
Yay, brexit for my birthday. Lol
What positive outcome do you expect to receive?
Maybe for his birthday he is expecting to become more independent and have more control over his own life. There will be new challenges ahead yes, but with his new confidence and maturity he will embrace the challenge and move forward with his life, rather than being shackled to his old one
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Maybe for his birthday he is expecting to become more independent and have more control over his own life. There will be new challenges ahead yes, but with his new confidence and maturity he will embrace the challenge and move forward with his life, rather than being shackled to his old one
In what way will a private UK citizen "become more independent" or "have more control" from Brexit?
I didn't ask for slogans, but asked him about what concrete, tangible benefit does he expects to receive.
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What particular EU laws are you looking forward to not having to deal with?
There will be new challenges ahead yes, but with his new confidence and maturity he will embrace the challenge and move forward with his life, rather than being shackled to his old one
The challenge ahead is to figure out why, after the UK is insulted and accused of spying by Donald Trump, the UK spends taxpayers money flying over someone to apologise for being insulted.
When bullies threw you on the ground and put their foot on you, did you apologise for scuffing their shoes? Well you do now.
Because we need that trade, and he knows it....we probably wont get anything of worth from it though 'cause he's Trump...
Better putting effort elsewhere around the globe to be fair, what happened to new deals with the Nordic block, or how about focusing more on India, China etc
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