Sorry I dont agree with you. I know its hard to deal with.
I would be fine if these 3rd party site died.
I would be fine if these 3rd party site died.
#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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EDSM and EDD are hugely important tools that very much enhance my exploration experience. I've honestly been very confused about how lackadaisical Frontier has been about fostering a strong 3rd party tooling community. From the perspective of a company, 3rd party developers are literally free developers for your game. They bug test the API you provide them, they find flaws in the game ordinary play might not expose, and they provide tooling to enhance the game experience that the game developer doesn't have to dedicate people to themselves. Overall it seems like a win for everyone involved.
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And FDev won't be making anything so great job at making the game worse for everyone.
Due to lack of information and dialogue from FDev.
I do not use them personally and am getting along fine, so are you saying this isn't causing a disruption or distraction on an important weekend for Frontier and the game? - get your head outa there it's stinky!
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Arghh kind of torn here.
I think the devs of these sites do a great job that fills gaps in the game so, hats off to them, however...
I also think that the availability of all this information has helped foster this whole min/max philosophy in the game...
And blackmail always hurts the innocents more than anyone else...
Pretty torn but damn guys, way to impact the game at the wrong time.
I think the devs of these sites do a great job that fills gaps in the game so, hats off to them, however...
I also think that the availability of all this information has helped foster this whole min/max philosophy in the game...
And blackmail always hurts the innocents more than anyone else...
Pretty torn but damn guys, way to impact the game at the wrong time.
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I feel a disturbance in force... as if 1,000,000 Sat-Nav's were all unaccessible.....
While these 3rd Party 'add-ons' to the game make Elite as simple as all other games™ to placate the attention span of the modern gamer, and yes, they are very useful if you can't be bothered to do any research (as you had too in all previous versions of the game) at the end of the Day these 'mods' are 3rd Party no-one (to my knowledge) asked for them. Individuals have taken it upon themselves to 'hack' into a game and create something additional to the game.
While I do agree, in part, that the latest incarnation of Elite should have included some kind of limited trading oojamaflip, along with a gadget for planning your next build/ship etc etc. I don't think that we should be able to just scan the whole galaxy for the best trade routes. If you're honest with yourselves, all these trade calculators really are, are minor exploits so that you never make a loss while transporting goods.
To those of you that are now lost in the Galaxy, or now feel that the game is unplayable - Reach for your pen & paper. Now you too can emulate the original players of the game
While it is a shame that the support for 3rd party addons seems to fluctuate over time. It seems to be an issue that other 3rd party mod devs also have (World of tanks is a prime example. after each update the game is vanilla for several Days until they fix their code - but conversely that game is in my opinion far better while the mods are inactive).
What is required is for the FDevs to make a statement, one way or the other, and make their opinion clear as to whether they will support these 'tools' that a lot of the community appear to rely on.
I wouldn't be surprised of they are finally making/updating their own decent working trade companion which would ultimately make this whole conversation moot.
Sorry, but I don't condone strikes of any kind. Update your site's or don't. You have found people that now rely on you and have withdrawn your support (for your stated reasons). Does that make you better or worse than the FDevs that you are complaining about?
I ultimately always rely on my own info, and have my own working spreadsheet. In other words "I'm alright jack". do whatever you want I'll still keep playing
While I wish you luck, although I think you could have found a better way of trying to obtain your goals.
While these 3rd Party 'add-ons' to the game make Elite as simple as all other games™ to placate the attention span of the modern gamer, and yes, they are very useful if you can't be bothered to do any research (as you had too in all previous versions of the game) at the end of the Day these 'mods' are 3rd Party no-one (to my knowledge) asked for them. Individuals have taken it upon themselves to 'hack' into a game and create something additional to the game.
While I do agree, in part, that the latest incarnation of Elite should have included some kind of limited trading oojamaflip, along with a gadget for planning your next build/ship etc etc. I don't think that we should be able to just scan the whole galaxy for the best trade routes. If you're honest with yourselves, all these trade calculators really are, are minor exploits so that you never make a loss while transporting goods.
To those of you that are now lost in the Galaxy, or now feel that the game is unplayable - Reach for your pen & paper. Now you too can emulate the original players of the game
While it is a shame that the support for 3rd party addons seems to fluctuate over time. It seems to be an issue that other 3rd party mod devs also have (World of tanks is a prime example. after each update the game is vanilla for several Days until they fix their code - but conversely that game is in my opinion far better while the mods are inactive).
What is required is for the FDevs to make a statement, one way or the other, and make their opinion clear as to whether they will support these 'tools' that a lot of the community appear to rely on.
I wouldn't be surprised of they are finally making/updating their own decent working trade companion which would ultimately make this whole conversation moot.
Sorry, but I don't condone strikes of any kind. Update your site's or don't. You have found people that now rely on you and have withdrawn your support (for your stated reasons). Does that make you better or worse than the FDevs that you are complaining about?
I ultimately always rely on my own info, and have my own working spreadsheet. In other words "I'm alright jack". do whatever you want I'll still keep playing
While I wish you luck, although I think you could have found a better way of trying to obtain your goals.
I'll have a crack at answering your question from my own perspective, I didnt see it previously. It's a long thread and moving fast
I wouldnt put the API as top priority of course. Main game features are more important by a long shot. I'd just like to see some actual solid commitment to do SOMETHING about it in the near future.
The problem is we've had years of conversation asking for improvements and yet no action. I wasnt aware of the #support3rdparty plan but when I saw it I joined in. Mainly because I see the effect of the poorly implemented API first hand. I cant even use my own site as the API has broken for my characters so I cant test or improve it. The companion API is no longer supported so FDev arent going to fix it. If I could get the trade data from the journal that would be a work around but they've not supplied that info.
it must have hurt their feelings!
Of course the community is a pawn in this...but the community is more like rook than a pawn. The loud cacophony of half-truths, fake rage and impassioned debate is sure to steamroll right through Ed. Poor Ed.
And that is the point. As distasteful as it might be.
Also, forgive my ignorance, as I'm not participating due to many beers being consumed on my b-day, how does this impact the event?
I feel a disturbance in force... as if 1,000,000 Sat-Nav's were all unaccessible.....
While these 3rd Party 'add-ons' to the game make Elite as simple as all other games™ to placate the attention span of the modern gamer, and yes, they are very useful if you can't be bothered to do any research (as you had too in all previous versions of the game) at the end of the Day these 'mods' are 3rd Party no-one (to my knowledge) asked for them. Individuals have taken it upon themselves to 'hack' into a game and create something additional to the game.
While I do agree, in part, that the latest incarnation of Elite should have included some kind of limited trading oojamaflip, along with a gadget for planning your next build/ship etc etc. I don't think that we should be able to just scan the whole galaxy for the best trade routes. If you're honest with yourselves, all these trade calculators really are, are minor exploits so that you never make a loss while transporting goods.
To those of you that are now lost in the Galaxy, or now feel that the game is unplayable - Reach for your pen & paper. Now you too can emulate the original players of the game
While it is a shame that the support for 3rd party addons seems to fluctuate over time. It seems to be an issue that other 3rd party mod devs also have (World of tanks is a prime example. after each update the game is vanilla for several Days until they fix their code - but conversely that game is in my opinion far better while the mods are inactive).
What is required is for the FDevs to make a statement, one way or the other, and make their opinion clear as to whether they will support these 'tools' that a lot of the community appear to rely on.
I wouldn't be surprised of they are finally making/updating their own decent working trade companion which would ultimately make this whole conversation moot.
Sorry, but I don't condone strikes of any kind. Update your site's or don't. You have found people that now rely on you and have withdrawn your support (for your stated reasons). Does that make you better or worse than the FDevs that you are complaining about?
I ultimately always rely on my own info, and have my own working spreadsheet. In other words "I'm alright jack". do whatever you want I'll still keep playing
While I wish you luck, although I think you could have found a better way of trying to obtain your goals.
What this guy says! Exactly!
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Why?
Why did they do this in the first place? Did everyone set out to provide these tools because they expected money or a job at the end? I hope not, I always believed these were community toolsnot part of the game that if you want you can use if not well it doesnt matter much.
Why they did it to start with should have been as a player for the community. FDev have never passed much comment on these things and why would they? It is a community thing not vital and im sorry but I havent found them vital to the game aside from making it too easy and breaking the economy in trade.
It seems now with holding the community to ransom for a few days these 3rd party developers forgot why they did it. Not for themselves not for FDev but for the game and the community. Get over it and move on I hope FDev give them a galnet pat on the head and move on thats all that is deserved.
If they want more then ask the community for more. Thats who and why this started.
Why did they do this in the first place? Did everyone set out to provide these tools because they expected money or a job at the end? I hope not, I always believed these were community toolsnot part of the game that if you want you can use if not well it doesnt matter much.
Why they did it to start with should have been as a player for the community. FDev have never passed much comment on these things and why would they? It is a community thing not vital and im sorry but I havent found them vital to the game aside from making it too easy and breaking the economy in trade.
It seems now with holding the community to ransom for a few days these 3rd party developers forgot why they did it. Not for themselves not for FDev but for the game and the community. Get over it and move on I hope FDev give them a galnet pat on the head and move on thats all that is deserved.
If they want more then ask the community for more. Thats who and why this started.
Well, plenty of people will be upset if they go. They have cost many tens of thousands of pounds of peoples time to put in place.
To be fair, that's not really how I read it. What they want is a bit of notice for a breaking change, and timely feedback on bug reports so that they know if / when it might be fixed. The developers of these tools are working with a set of moving goalposts with no knowledge of when those goalposts will move or where they'll move to. I completely stand behind them on that.
Frontier do need to realise that a lot of people rely on these third-party tools, so it's in everyone's interest to formally support them. The action taken simply isn't the way to go about getting that support though.
This is not a zero sum thing. You can be sympathetic to something and understand why someone does something but still not agree with what they have done. The world is not black or white but a whole myriad of colours, which applies to feelings and opinions too. Open your eyes and see the colour
Many happy returns Monk!
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