You seem to misunderstand. FD did not commit to the 3PDs because they owe them anything, they did it because their *customers* made it clear that they were very likely to step away from this game (and very likely would have long ago) if these sites didn't exist. FD knows this, they're not blind or stupid. At the end of the day, for them, it's about money. That's not cynicism, that' reality. For the 3PD's, however, what they do is *purely* a labour of love, and thus they have no incentive or reason to promise anything to anyone. Do they want people to enjoy their sites and thus the game? OF COURSE, otherwise these tools wouldn't exist. Do they have any responsibility to promise these sites will live forever? Sorry, 'fraid not.
#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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You seem to misunderstand. FD did not commit to the 3PDs because they owe them anything, they did it because their *customers* made it clear that they were very likely to step away from this game (and very likely would have long ago) if these sites didn't exist. FD knows this, they're not blind or stupid. At the end of the day, for them, it's about money. That's not cynicism, that' reality. For the 3PD's, however, what they do is *purely* a labour of love, and thus they have no incentive or reason to promise anything to anyone. Do they want people to enjoy their sites and thus the game? OF COURSE, otherwise these tools wouldn't exist. Do they have any responsibility to promise these sites will live forever? Sorry, 'fraid not.
Extortionists are, as extortionist do. - Mrs. Gump
Badgers are as badgers do!
.. well, it made about as much sense as yours in this context..
Well said.
I say we sticky Ed's response, Genar's response to Ed and Nerwan's post here to the first page, close the thread and call it a day
There really is nothing more left to say.
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I, for one, welcome out 3rd party overlords.
Seriously though, 3PDs fill an important gap in games like this it behooves FD greatly to work with them as the tools provided in game (more like a toothpick than a shovel) do not adequately fill the needs of the player base. I am glad a line of communication has opened up and now the delivery is up to FD to implement. I trade on the side and can't think of doing it without EDDB or Thrudd's site.
Seriously though, 3PDs fill an important gap in games like this it behooves FD greatly to work with them as the tools provided in game (more like a toothpick than a shovel) do not adequately fill the needs of the player base. I am glad a line of communication has opened up and now the delivery is up to FD to implement. I trade on the side and can't think of doing it without EDDB or Thrudd's site.
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Nobody 'used' my voice for anything. I made a decision to use my own voice. I suspect the other people who commented did the same.
I mean you do realise that you're basically suggesting anyone who expressed support is a mindless automaton who was acting out a Pavlovian response, right? Pretty insulting that.
I know! That's what bugs me, the assumption from some that there is something nefarious behind any given action on people's parts in this game. While I have no doubt there are shadowy conspiracies and Star Chamber style justice dealt out in the RP game world, it's pretty safe to say that this doesn't exist from those intent on making, playing, or supporting it. Mistakes can happen, and different choices could have been made by people on any given issue, but that's not the same as scheming and plotting for malicious self interest.
Honestly I think it reveals more about those who make such claims than any of the devs (1st or 3rd party) involved.
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Your customers reacted to the threat of the loss of resources, not because you made a valid point. The point, needing to support out or game development, could have been made with the exact same appeal, without the threat (strike). The group either had no confidence in their audience, or they just felt the need for a display of power. Why didn't the group ask for help, before resorting to strong arm tactics, from the community?
Well said.
I say we sticky Ed's response, Genar's response to Ed and Nerwan's post here to the first page, close the thread and call it a day
There really is nothing more left to say.
You wish. I still see some unused oxygen left over there.
If they simply asked, that would be another thing all together. But, their request was fortified with an 'or else'. That's where the extortion comes in. If you take those actions, you have to accept the label.
Again, I don't think the naysayers like you understand. What "goals" do you think the 3PD's have? You all need to realize their goals are *your goals*. Serving our need *is their goal*. They want the sites to live, and they want the players to use them. End of story.
You are free to disagree with their methods though, your prerogative, but you can't separate them into a different class than you, we're all the same, they've just decided to put in free labour to hopefully make the game more enjoyable for everyone.
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It's been a forum software feature for a while, noticed a green version of it at the top of the noobs forum (link below) a while back and I assume it can be applied to any forum page:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/75-Newcomers-Forum
Haven't seen it used specifically like this before though.
You must be an Imperial. Well, except Imperials feed and clothe their slaves.
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Clearly, people were terrorized by not being able to plan a trade route.
Because denying other people free access to your own private property is terrorism
What are they extorting if this isn't an in-game resource? If it's only a community used resource, and anyone is free to take up the mantle and continue it for themselves? This was simply a statement of exasperation at the continued lack of response from FD (as stated in the OP's post). You are not compelled to join in if you don't agree with what they are doing, you are not compelled to use the tools, they are free (as in freedom of choice). FD could quite simply have ignored this.
As a developer I utterly understand their frustration at a moving target, or buggy interface that they are getting no traction on when they want to improve their own tooling (see comments about continued bug reports getting nowhere).
Maybe we just disagree with the method. I saw this more as the 3PD saying "we've had enough doing this without the feedback and help we need to improve, it's getting too hard, so we're stopping until it's resolved". FD responded, and I think we're in a better place for it.
No I did nothing of the kind. But, if you insist on reducing things to the absurd, I can't expect you to relate to what I'm saying. I feel that if the same methods were used on another topic, things would be different. And, we all know I could use some real life examples to make my point.
Separate what they did, the strike, from the cause behind it. It is a common understanding that, 'the ends can never justify the means'. I am just applying that axiom, to this current situation. That you support the out of game developers, shouldn't mean you have to support strong arm tactics, or extortion.
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