Elite Dangerous - Drew Wagar's Conspiracy - Part 2

[Martian Successor]

How great would it have been if a CMDR Voldemort showed up to shoot at Harry.

Man, I've been waiting for a CMDR Voldemort to appear in the game just as a personal troll to Harry for ages! I tell you if this Voldemort drought goes on any longer, one of these days I'm going to be so bored I'll actually buy a second account, name it Voldemort, use every exploit in the book to become a billionaire as fast as possible and then go and troll Harry during his streams and at any live events he goes to [haha]

P.S. And on the forums I'll make an account called "The Unsieger"

 

[Dbrn47]

He even put on that Palpatine avatar on forum profile and Twitter, to mock the people criticising him, while stroking his own ego.

Or, he's just taking the criticism in stride and trying to be funny about it. Maybe he feels mocked? Idk, I generally make fun of conspiracy theories too because they usually sound so ludicrous. I enjoyed your videos but I'm starting to think you're taking the whole thing a bit too personally. I don't believe in this new culture of burning people or demanding apologies. In the grand scheme of things, this is pretty small potatoes and doesn't overall have an effect on your life. The way everything went wasn't ideal, it happens.

 

[Sundae]

Man, I've been waiting for a CMDR Voldemort to appear in the game just as a personal troll to Harry for ages! I tell you if this Voldemort drought goes on any longer, one of these days I'm going to be so bored I'll actually buy a second account, name it Voldemort, use every exploit in the book to become a billionaire as fast as possible and then go and troll Harry during his streams and at any live events he goes to [haha]P.S. And on the forums I'll make an account called "The Unsieger"

The name Harry originally tried to claim was "Voldemort," but it had already been claimed. How different the universe could have been.

 

[warlock]

Ive said it before and i am going to say it again ITS ONLY A BLOODY GAME!!! (albeit a good one) calm down please ladies.

 

[Chris Simon]

The name Harry originally tried to claim was "Voldemort," but it had already been claimed. How different the universe could have been.

He would have problems getting into books, though. While Harry is a normal name, I believe "Voldemort" is J.K.R's copyright.

 

[zarking]

Massive D, I said before that I've always loved your videos, they're good fun, but this is souring me quite a lot.
You're getting really personal in your digs at drew now, it's went beyond fun speculation and into personal attacks based on nothing really.

I suggest you drink some rum, take a step back and chill out.

 

[MassiveD]

Or, he's just taking the criticism in stride and trying to be funny about it. Maybe he feels mocked? Idk, I generally make fun of conspiracy theories too because they usually sound so ludicrous. I enjoyed your videos but I'm starting to think you're taking the whole thing a bit too personally. I don't believe in this new culture of burning people or demanding apologies. In the grand scheme of things, this is pretty small potatoes and doesn't overall have an effect on your life. The way everything went wasn't ideal, it happens.

Well, hold on a second what you just quoted was a reply when someone asked of what I think.

Honestly, this is not the main point of the whole "no strings on us" "movement".

I may sound like i am taking it personal, but its just because i have a bit of a flare for dramatics i'm super chill, i'm having fun, and the only thing that matters to me is that thousands of people who prepared and waited for this event, get what they were promised - a choice, even if the choice comes in a form of a spin-off, as i said before, none of this is meant to burn any bridges, or defame / devalue Drew.

Do not dismiss the fact that, all this time I have also been under constant attack with demands to explain myself etc, however as I feel that no one on earth is exempt from criticism, I've been happily replying to every accusation.

 

[Sooden]

You say 'loaded dice', I say 'level playingfield'.
...

i say the community was robbed.

If i hadn't believe he was going to use everything available to make Salome survive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAEbzCtKs9U 6:35). 'use every technique that we can'. I would have not been sitting, waiting at a possible end location in my little viper.

...But in reality, there was nearly zero chance she would make it there.

I listen to what drew said he was going to do in the event, and set my self up for that possibility. knowing that, a zero combat, defensive cutter, modded to the max (use every technique that we can) could probably get to its final location and then have to face an end battle.

So the video is there, his voice, his words... my fault for beeing played

Starting to feel a little sorry for Drew, as he messed up a bit, don't think it was anything underhand... but maybe if he had said, i set things up wrong... something like that... i would have had some respect for him.

 

[Martian Successor]

Salomes ship gimped - not properly modified for the current meta.

Also goldylocks effect, in a way that he flew purposly how no normal person would fly.

I don't see the reason to play devils advocate, nor water down his little lie no matter how little it was, as the event was promised to be fair with a fair chance.

My main point of the video is that there was no reason to try to "simulate" , "gimp", or "do anything for event purposes" but let the sip fully engineered, take the journey, and trust the players and the meta to catch it and destroy it.

The "scenario handicaps" as you may call them made the event less fair, certainly not as fair as advertised.

What is another word to use if not lie?

Because "lying" is also also considered when you withold information

A less extreme way is to say that he didn't try hard enough and he should have put all 4 pips into try-hardness

I can't agree that Drew rigged the event on purpose or lied (for my aforementioned reasons of evidence) but I would like to know why his ship was not engineered? At least grade 5 dirty drives. And as for the defending group: why the defenders didn't assign a wing of 4 to personally follow the boy wizard around and just gank him? Ganking HP would have been number 1 on my priority list. When thinking of Harry one must always ask oneself; WWVD - What Would Voldemort Do?

 

[CMDR Ofan]

Massive D, I said before that I've always loved your videos, they're good fun, but this is souring me quite a lot.
You're getting really personal in your digs at drew now, it's went beyond fun speculation and into personal attacks based on nothing really.

I suggest you drink some rum, take a step back and chill out.

This is starting to go off the deep end and becoming a personal campaign to besmirch someone over the fictional events in a game. MassiveD you really, really need to step back, slow it all down and chill.

 

[Martian Successor]

The name Harry originally tried to claim was "Voldemort," but it had already been claimed. How different the universe could have been.

Shizzle. Then where the flying hell is that guy who took the name Voldemort? Does he take no pride in his namesake!?

 

[warlock]

mmmm Just settled down with the popcorn to watch Monaco v Juventus. But this is far more entertaining.

 

[MassiveD]

This is starting to go off the deep end and becoming a personal campaign to besmirch someone over the fictional events in a game. MassiveD you really, really need to step back, slow it all down and chill.

There has been a whole range of opinions and points of view circulating and churning and changing and I am also a part of it, I'm not really sure what I said that seemed so personal, but from what I can tell a lot of people are gasping when I directly criticize Drew Wagar, however criticising someone doesn't make it personal.

You are criticising me right now, is it personal for you?

I can assure you that none if this is personal for me

 

[shevek]

The OP's standards of journalistic integrity seems to have drop a bit

 

[MassiveD]

The OP's standards of journalistic integrity seems to have drop a bit

Just to be clear, I'm not a journalist, I'm just some schlub

 

[Javert]

Please avoid personal comments otherwise moderators who are not active on this thread might need to step by.

Let's all remember it's just a game.

I have to say, I've still not seen anything even close to convincing that supports the accusation of being a liar. As I explained in an earlier post, the normal meaning of this is that there was an intention to deceive people.

If you think the wrong choices were made about how to run the event, by all means go on to discuss it around and around, but it's not really constructive to call the person who spent huge amounts of time organising it a liar, especially if you are apparently planning to use his IP to create a retcon version of the story

You've spent a huge amount of time preparing your own videos - have you listened to the Lave Radio interview with the defenders? Have you watched the videos and other items that contradict your version? I really think you should take a step back for a few days - I understand you believe your position, but when you've taken a very public and controversial position, it's very difficult to accept that you might not be correct - that's human for sure.

If you remember, he even said before the event, some things won't go well, a lot of people won't like it and for sure it will be controversial - he was under no illusions that the event would be a perfect thing.

 

[Han_Zen]

I remember the old days when people called the Canonn crazy, for their in game tinfoil.

 

[Sooden]

Please avoid personal comments otherwise moderators who are not active on this thread might need to step by.

Let's all remember it's just a game.

I have to say, I've still not seen anything even close to convincing that supports the accusation of being a liar. As I explained in an earlier post, the normal meaning of this is that there was an intention to deceive people.

If you think the wrong choices were made about how to run the event, by all means go on to discuss it around and around, but it's not really constructive to call the person who spent huge amounts of time organising it a liar, especially if you are apparently planning to use his IP to create a retcon version of the story

You've spent a huge amount of time preparing your own videos - have you listened to the Lave Radio interview with the defenders? Have you watched the videos and other items that contradict your version? I really think you should take a step back for a few days - I understand you believe your position, but when you've taken a very public and controversial position, it's very difficult to accept that you might not be correct - that's human for sure.

If you remember, he even said before the event, some things won't go well, a lot of people won't like it and for sure it will be controversial - he was under no illusions that the event would be a perfect thing.

yeah guys. dont get it locked... hate it when that happend

and not just after i point out Drew said he was 'use every technique that we can' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAEbzCtKs9U 6:35).

puts a wrench in the idea that its was okay for him to gimp his ship for the event, when others where expecting something very different.

use every technique that we can n a transport vessel.. hmm, well a cutter, super fast-ed, shields max-ed,FSD rubbed with cheater blood... heat sinks and shield b-nosters

 

[Chris Simon]

Please avoid personal comments otherwise moderators who are not active on this thread might need to step by.

Let's all remember it's just a game.

I have to say, I've still not seen anything even close to convincing that supports the accusation of being a liar. As I explained in an earlier post, the normal meaning of this is that there was an intention to deceive people.

If you think the wrong choices were made about how to run the event, by all means go on to discuss it around and around, but it's not really constructive to call the person who spent huge amounts of time organising it a liar, especially if you are apparently planning to use his IP to create a retcon version of the story

You've spent a huge amount of time preparing your own videos - have you listened to the Lave Radio interview with the defenders? Have you watched the videos and other items that contradict your version? I really think you should take a step back for a few days - I understand you believe your position, but when you've taken a very public and controversial position, it's very difficult to accept that you might not be correct - that's human for sure.

If you remember, he even said before the event, some things won't go well, a lot of people won't like it and for sure it will be controversial - he was under no illusions that the event would be a perfect thing.

I think the thing that nags people the most is the fact that the whole event appears to have been set up in a way that ensured Salomé dying. Beginning with nonsensical flightpath, poor outfitting and unconvincing fighting. Because, let's be honest, if a half decent pilot doesn't want to be intercepted and killed, they WON'T be intercepted and killed. Instead, Salomé basically telegraphed her will to die and ultimately she's been killed.

So if that was Drew's plan for the story (And that's perfectly fine! I have no problem with the story), that just basically renders the whole "event" and all the effort that people on both sides invested into it pointless.

For me, all that means that he should have probably avoided "getting help" from the community.

 

[MassiveD]

Please avoid personal comments otherwise moderators who are not active on this thread might need to step by.

Let's all remember it's just a game.

I have to say, I've still not seen anything even close to convincing that supports the accusation of being a liar. As I explained in an earlier post, the normal meaning of this is that there was an intention to deceive people.

If you think the wrong choices were made about how to run the event, by all means go on to discuss it around and around, but it's not really constructive to call the person who spent huge amounts of time organising it a liar, especially if you are apparently planning to use his IP to create a retcon version of the story

You've spent a huge amount of time preparing your own videos - have you listened to the Lave Radio interview with the defenders? Have you watched the videos and other items that contradict your version? I really think you should take a step back for a few days - I understand you believe your position, but when you've taken a very public and controversial position, it's very difficult to accept that you might not be correct - that's human for sure.

If you remember, he even said before the event, some things won't go well, a lot of people won't like it and for sure it will be controversial - he was under no illusions that the event would be a perfect thing.

I have no problem accepting when I am wrong I do it all the time.

However, let us get on the same level with the world lie, because it's either me misunderstanding the word or wise versa.

From dictionary.com:

lie;

an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.


Also I know for a fact, that when you are making a statement or anouncement, or simply telling someone and witholding key information, that is also a lie, there is no other word for it in dictionary.

So, when a person announces an event, and promises for it to be fair, with an equal opportunity for 2 outcomes, and promises people the illusion of choice.

But then admits that the dice was weighted (a lot, a little, doesn't matter - weighted is weighted)


What did that person just do?

Did he not lie?


Tell me another word for it and I will stop using "lie" and use the other word instead.

I'm being genuine here, and entertaining the idea that maybe my english is really that bad that I missued the word lie all my life.

At least in my own language (lithuanian) and in russian language, which I speak well, lie is exactly how we would describe the situation as there are no other words for it.

I know in english you have synonyms like "swindle" etc, but they all mean the same thing and are derivative from core word "lie"