Elite Dangerous - Drew Wagar's Conspiracy - Part 2

[Sooden]

Part of the problem on this thread is the assumption that this was a PVP league type event, and that Salomé should be flying in a highly engineered ship and be one of the best pilots in the galaxy, and that somehow this expectation was set by the organizers before the event (which as far as I know it wasn't)

Maybe that's another lesson learned from this - hardened PVP players were expecting Salomé to be flying a highly optimized PVP build with high level PVP skills (although frankly the person who actually was there and made the final kill says that her ship was more highly engineered than others here are claiming - not doubt the next claim will then be that it was the pilot's fault).

Other players who are not normally PVP, maybe were hoping that this would be their chance for glory - maybe their chance to interdict and have a go at Salomé, even if they failed - have their story to tell.

In the end, you can't please everybody.

And to add - in the UK at least, if you call someone a liar, even though some dictionary definitions might just say that it's saying something untrue, in the UK it's generally taken as an accusation of malicious intent - that you were deliberately saying something not true, knowing that it was not true.

If indeed the balance was wrong, it would be better described as an honest mistake rather than a lie. However I still have yet to see that the balance was wrong. In the end, in the final battle, it was one on one with Drew (not normally a hardened PVP pilot) against a player who does PVP almost every day since the game was released. Regardless of build, what other outcome can you expect? Not to mention, because of instancing issues, Drew's wing were not there to defend him.

I think the big point is missed - Drew went into this event with a prepared speech for Salomé to deliver if she made it through. Others from COR were quoted as saying that they believed they might get her through. There was a sense of uncertainty. It's crystal clear that for them, the event was intended to be a fair fight, and actually they were gutted when Salomé didn't survive.

Sure, you can say it was silly to do this and that, but if it had been a stronger build and they had romped through ,we would probably now be watching the video "Conspiracy - Salomé rigged to be sure of surviving".

Edit: I also think a lot of people are missing that their primary strategy was - avoid interdiction at all costs - it was only if that failed that they would have to defend themselves in PVP combat. I'm sure this is a disappointing strategy for PVP players but this seems to be what they chose.

like i said...

i say the community was robbed.

If i hadn't believe he was going to use everything available to make Salome survive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAEbzCtKs9U 6:35). 'use every technique that we can'. I would have not been sitting, waiting at a possible end location in my little viper.

...But in reality, there was nearly zero chance she would make it there.
...

if your technique doesn't involve picking the tools you use...

If you goal is to get someone somewhere, a good technique would be to do it fast and safely. Hench, a maxed out passenger build with defence in mind... 'hull damage will greatly reduce passengers satisfaction'



So didn't expect a PvP build, but expected a good, no... an excellent build, base on what drew had said... If i had know it was a tin can... may have gone out there, at least to try and see something...

if i had know about the friend requests begin open to all, my chances to see something would have be equal with HP

 

[MassiveD]

Edit: I also think a lot of people are missing that their primary strategy was - avoid interdiction at all costs - it was only if that failed that they would have to defend themselves in PVP combat. I'm sure this is a disappointing strategy for PVP players but this seems to be what they chose.

If that is the case, then why didn't Drew run away from HP?

The only response I've heard so far to this question, is that HP was on Drews friend list so he thought nothing off it.


Odd thing to think when your face is being melted of by lasers

 

[Julio Montega]

If that is the case, then why didn't Drew run away from HP?

Lacking training?
Being totally overwhelmed?
A single person piloting multiple ships?
A planned incident?

Questions... questions....

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

If that is the case, then why didn't Drew run away from HP?

"At the point Salomé was finally interdicted her hull was holding up well, but the modules within were shot. The FSD drive was failing to engage. Chaff and weapons were offline."

I dunno, maybe her ship was shot to bits?

 

[Sole Hunter]

This thread almost got back on track with some light hearted humour, but ultimately has become bogged down in negativity, cynicism and a kind of mean spirited slander. I hate to even weigh in because I have a foot in both camps; I genuinely like SDC and their membership, and I consider MassiveD a friend even outside of the game, and the direction this has taken honestly pains me.

Ultimately this whole debate comes down to hatred of SDC. When the facts are stripped down to their component parts, that's really all that's left.

Just a couple thoughts/observations; SDC did a good job at what they do best which is hunting down and murdering people. They should be acknowledged for their solid gameplay, and I say this because I no longer buy that the event was "scripted" in the literal sense so many others are subscribing to. They came out on top, fair and square.

Lining up some book deal and writing an alternative storyline has more fail stamped on it then I know how to properly articulate.

It's time to back off of Drew. This has gone off the rails of good taste.

Sorry guys, im just trying to put my thoughts out there as respectfully as possible. I'm holding back much stronger opinions.

People didn't get the ending they wanted so they cry to the bad wolves and start inventing all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories. This concept isn't really hard to gasp. This community seems to forget, we are good at what we do, which is blowing up internet pixel spaceships.

Fact of matter is Harry wasn't even the first one to interdict Salami, Harry just happened to get the best out what was left of Salami ship and cooked it to an acceptable BBQ level.

 

[MassiveD]

People didn't get the ending they wanted so they cry to the bad wolves and start inventing all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories.

Fact of matter is we weren't the first one to interdict Salami, Harry just happened to get the best out what was left of Salami ship and cook it to BBQ level.

What on earth made you think that I in particular care for the ending itself?

 

[Julio Montega]

People didn't get the ending they wanted so they cry to the bad wolves and start inventing all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories.

Fact of matter is we weren't the first one to interdict Salami, Harry just happened to get the best out what was left of Salami ship and cook it to BBQ level.

Making a Salami into a BBQ sounds
like a ginormous lack of cooking skillz.
But well, here is honesty:
Whoever thought he'd have a fair chance
on participating in an event of this scale,
taking instancing into calculation,
should revisit his knowledge of the gaming architecture.

What is done is done.
And frankly, whatever.
Seizing a moment makes an
opportunist what he is:
An opportunist.

 

[Sole Hunter]

What on earth made you think that I in particular care for the ending itself?

Did I pointed my finger at you?

No

 

[MassiveD]

Did I pointed my finger at you?

No

Litteraly no one on this thread, I think, have said that they cared about how it ended, everyone is focused on the event execution itself.

I think you are lost in a wrong thread

 

[Sooden]

Did I pointed my finger at you?

No

at me then? already stated its not about the outcome... just don't like being 'played'

 

[Sole Hunter]

Making a Salami into a BBQ sounds
like a ginormous lack of cooking skillz.
But well, here is honesty:
Whoever thought he'd have a fair chance
on participating in an event of this scale,
taking instancing into calculation,
should revisit his knowledge of the gaming architecture.

What is done is done.
And frankly, whatever.
Seizing a moment makes an
opportunist what he is:
An opportunist.

Well I didn't expect her to be cooked on the medium side, considering plasma lasers are really hot.

I think Harry burned her considering there isn't much of anything left of her ship.

Tasty ending.

 

[Julio Montega]

Litteraly no one on this thread, I think, have said that they cared about how it ended, everyone is focused on the event execution itself.

I think you are lost in a wrong thread

Well how to sum up any "event" in Elite?
Instancing gamble game,
praying to RNG gamble gods?
Pretty spot on,
if it weren't for supposed
"friend-list"/"wing" priorities.

 

[MassiveD]

Well I didn't expect her to be cooked on the medium side, considering plasma lasers are really hot.

I think Harry burned her considering there isn't much of her ship left.

Tasty ending.

Didn't get the pod tho ^.~

 

[SpongeJim]

Exclusive footage of SDC's in-game event planning and masterful execution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipbGsHL1oZw

 

[Yaffle]

Reminder, this really isn't all that hard to remember.

Cut out the sniping and insults, and baiting terms such as 'troll' and 'carebear'.

 

[Coik]

Part of the problem on this thread is the assumption that this was a PVP league type event, and that Salomé should be flying in a highly engineered ship and be one of the best pilots in the galaxy, and that somehow this expectation was set by the organizers before the event (which as far as I know it wasn't)

I mean, I'm not even a PvP person, but one would think that experience with things like the devs' livestreams would have well-established that the PvP people are gonna show up to any event in Open with their superships, so you kinda do need to plan around them.

 

[Julio Montega]

Well I didn't expect her to be cooked on the medium side, considering plasma lasers are really hot.

I think Harry burned her considering there isn't much of anything left of her ship.

Tasty ending.

Tasty ending indeed.
But he used frags,
so let us call it
"flake cut" tobacco
for your pipes to smoke
in a yiffy

Didn't get the pod tho ^.~

So eve-y,
so eerie.

 

[akaliel]

Didn't get the pod tho ^.~

There was none.

 

[MassiveD]

I mean, I'm not even a PvP person, but one would think that experience with things like the devs' livestreams would have well-established that the PvP people are gonna show up to any event in Open with their superships, so you kinda do need to plan around them.

That's very true, especially considering that Drew Wagar was present on the cancer charity stream in which non-other than HP was killing host ships , and then laughing about it to their faces.

So he was definitely aware of that.

Especially when developers had to do this:

 

[Julio Montega]

I mean, I'm not even a PvP person, but one would think that experience with things like the devs' livestreams would have well-established that the PvP people are gonna show up to any event in Open with their superships, so you kinda do need to plan around them.

What plan?
Forum pvp-people issuing ideas of how to cut
the invincibility of "PvP superships?

Well the community did it's best
to have the testing run afoul,
and the idea be abandoned,
because of salt-mine openings.

If you have a close look at the archives
of beta testing the larger pvp parties
tend to introduce ideas to fend off those problems,
but the community seems to contradict these,
so they can "play safe".

Well if ye ask me,
scrap it all.
Go back to Premium Beta
and have skillz trump equip,
not otherwise.