General / Off-Topic Be wise to the forum games...

[DNA-Decay]

Sometimes point can only be made with extensive images:

Here's an old argument that just doesn't work unless you have to scroll past sixty images

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Did someone say "necessity of short hair in space?"

I'm sorry - every space agency EVER seems to have missed your memo:

Fellers:
You need to stop saying "Long hair is impractical in space"

Almost every astronaut has long hair (except the blokes).
So please - let's not hear arguments about how long hair wont work.
Lets talk about developer resources, and gender and identity.
But let's stop pretending that astronauts have beards.
Because they don't.

Valentina Tereshkova
That's a big boofy coif right there!

Svetlana Savitskaya
A very boyish fringe, but that's some nice bangs peeking around from behind.

Sally Ride
You should know the story, and I'm sure you were saddened when she passed away.

Judith Resnik
Another sad loss (Challenger) but WOW that hair!

Kathryn D. Sullivan
Veteran of three expeditions and an early spacewalker.

Anna Lee Fisher
Not the longest hair you'll see today but you have a heart of stone if it doesn't skip a beat.

Margaret Rhea Seddon
Served on MIR that monument to the communist space era.
Long blonde hair like a high school sweetheart from a David Lynch film.

Shannon Lucid
Hair not getting in the way of payload operations.

Bonnie J. Dunbar
Biomechanical materials expert and big hair.

Mary L. Cleave
Going the pony tail for tidy route.

Ellen S. Baker
Not long hair I grant you, but not short either. Appears in excellent Werner Herzog film.

Kathryn C. Thornton
You seen Gravity right? - This is the long haired lass who fixed the Hubble telescope.

Marsha Ivins
That hair didn't get in the way of delivering and assembling the Destiny module of the ISS.
Marsha is practically the poster girl for long hair in space.

This picture in particular is posted by blokes with the message: "This is why you can't have long hair in space"
Except that IT'S A PICTURE OF LONG HAIR IN SPACE.
And no one has a problem with it.
Except some blokes who've never been to space.

Linda M. Godwin
Sorry this doesn't show her lovely hair very well, because all the photos of her are on spacewalks - she did a lot of work outside the space station.

Helen Sharman
English.

Tamara E. Jernigan
Oh now thats some space hair. That's a four tie pony tail Tamara is rockin right here, didn;t get in the way of an EVA.

Millie Hughes-Fulford
Okay we got a short hair here. Not every astronaut likes to rock long hair. She spent her time on orbit gathering medical data at a cellular level.
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Roberta Bondar
Okay another short hair - I grant you, but she's Canadian and a neurologist, so we forgive her.

Jan Davis

Mae Jemison
Okay short hair.

Susan J. Helms

Ellen Ochoa

Janice E. Voss

Nancy J. Currie
First assembly mission of the ISS, and onther Hubble service mission. Plenty of hair here.

Chiaki Mukai

Yelena V. Kondakova

Eileen Collins

Wendy B. Lawrence
Another short hair but highly decorated.

Mary E. Weber

Catherine Coleman

Claudie Haigneré

Susan Still Kilrain

Kalpana Chawla
Sadly lost to the Columbia disaster.

Kathryn P. Hire

Janet L. Kavandi

Julie Payette

Pamela Melroy

Peggy Whitson
Hold up - Peggy is a short hair. But it has to be said - I'm a big fan. She's commander of the International SPace Station right now, and I saw her pass over my house about two hours ago.

Sandra Magnus

Laurel B. Clark

Stephanie Wilson

Lisa Nowak

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Anousheh Ansari

Sunita Williams

Joan Higginbotham

Tracy Caldwell Dyson

Barbara Morgan

Yi So-yeon

Karen L. Nyberg

K. Megan McArthur

Nicole P. Stott

Dorothy Metcalf-Lindenburger

Naoko Yamazaki
Okay wait up here's a detail - Check what Naoko is wearing on her wrist. That's a watch and three hair ties. She has a watch to know the time, and hair ties to tie back her long hair.

Shannon Walker

Liu Yang

Yaping

Yelena Serova

Samantha Cristoforetti

Kathleen Rubins

 

[GluttonyFang]

*the flame-thrower*

You probably know the type.

At any rate, moving this to the off-topic forum.

Finally, those laser vomit builds will eat their own heat!

 

[Sooden]

OP should have been more wise to the forum games.

i went to sleep ... and surprised it didn't happen sooner, the post was originally removed all together

will say Ty to the mods for letting it have some air time in the main forum but it didn't take to long for people to prove my point

because this thread was originally removed, it was nearly lost to the page, and no one was seeing it... until, someone got salty and rescued it.

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+1. I see what you did there.

you guys love ya, you made this thread work

 

[Sooden]

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you obnoxious poster!, why you..upt..ghh... (Storms out)..spoiled (or is it spoiler-ed) everything

in closing... There are many types of forums games. That's how it works (well in debates, and you wish to improve your position)... ye old forums of the Greeks or was it Romans (someone one in dresses)... Game where the main stay of discussion (lot more personal attacks back then.. how far we have come. lol).

sadly, some of the games are not about proving anything, but are use to derail (destroy what you can't challenge), taking the focused away from a topic. Such games and not welcome.

play what you will, just don't do it when i open a proper discussion thread (no, i would not class this thread as a proper discussion).

 

[Alex Brentnall]

Just a note from me on images and videos and spoilers.

I use spoilers a lot to keep things tidy. Unless the image/wall of text or video is my entire point, or the thread is specifically about posting images then I will generally spoiler them just because nobody want's to be scrolling through a thread reading and have giant interruptions that mess with the flow.
If people are interested they can look, it's only a mouse click for the sake of keeping a thread flowing.


No I don't think it should be a rule, just courtesy especially if the topic is a serious one, I'll usually put a quick bit of text above/below explaining what is in the spoiler like on this post here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...erous-products-for-free?p=5487176#post5487176
The list of the free cosmetics I got was the point of my post so that wasn't spoilered. The image of how cool some of the money can't buy paintpacks are is an aside which I spoilered for flow.


Works for me, I don't get overly angry at others that don't unless it's 20 metres of images or text or something like that.

 

[Manticore]

Just a note from me on images and videos and spoilers.

I use spoilers a lot to keep things tidy.

No I don't think it should be a rule, just courtesy especially if the topic is a serious one............

Yeah; I thought the whole spoiler tag thing was much along those lines considering the amount of visual media posted to these boards.

 

[deathmagnet]

Yeah; I thought the whole spoiler tag thing was much along those lines considering the amount of visual media posted to these boards.

But not using it shouldn't a sign of a troll. TBH this is the first forum I have ever cared to participate in. You could imagine what unfair and overzealous reports could do to potential talented contributors. I have learned etiquette as I have gone but it's not like there is a must read manual on forum etiquette. It's kinda learn as you go. Same a greifing in open. Don't kill the noobs for lack of knowledge. If you do your no better than the noob greifers!

 

[DNA-Decay]

Just a note from me on images and videos and spoilers.

I use spoilers a lot to keep things tidy. Unless the image/wall of text or video is my entire point, or the thread is specifically about posting images then I will generally spoiler them just because nobody want's to be scrolling through a thread reading and have giant interruptions that mess with the flow.
If people are interested they can look, it's only a mouse click for the sake of keeping a thread flowing.


No I don't think it should be a rule, just courtesy especially if the topic is a serious one, I'll usually put a quick bit of text above/below explaining what is in the spoiler like on this post here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...erous-products-for-free?p=5487176#post5487176
The list of the free cosmetics I got was the point of my post so that wasn't spoilered. The image of how cool some of the money can't buy paintpacks are is an aside which I spoilered for flow.


Works for me, I don't get overly angry at others that don't unless it's 20 metres of images or text or something like that.

Often a picture is worth a wall of text.
Occasionally a wall of pictures is worth getting reported for being spammy.

 

[ArchEmperor]

Good thread. I like the derailment part ( not literally, but conceptually ).

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Hello.

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below sourced from: http://debate-central.ncpa.org/the-12-best-debate-tips-weve-ever-heard/

Pro Tips for debaiting.

1. “Know the internal link scenario.”

No matter what event and what topic, everything comes down to internal links. How does one argument connect to another? If it doesn’t seem to make sense to you, chances are it’s because it actually doesn’t make sense. Figure out where the logical breakdown is, and explain that to your judge.


2. “If you don’t win the ballot, you didn’t win the round.”

No whining. Fundamentally, all debate is a persuasive communication activity. If you didn’t win the round, even if you were sure you were going to, it’s because you messed up somewhere. Maybe the judge was wrong, but if they were wrong it can only be because your explanation wasn’t clear to them. Figure out what you needed to do to persuade this particular judge, and regroup. Sulking and blaming others for your losses will never help you grow.

3. “Think like a human, not like a debater.”

Too often, debaters freak out when they hit an unfamiliar argument, and the round completely breaks down. This is because they’re scrambling to find “the right debate argument” to make, instead of keying in on obvious responses. The next time you see something new, take a deep breath and think to yourself “how would I respond to this if my friend said it to me?”


4. “Most good debates are ties. You gotta give the judge a reason to break the tie.”

Once you get to the level of evenly-matched debates between talented competitors, the truth is that there are many rounds where the judge could easily vote either way. Your job is to figure out why they should pick you, and explain that to them clearly, early and often.


5. “Look and sound right, no matter what you’re saying.”

Fake it until you make it. It’s much better to actually know what you’re talking about, but everyone occasionally stumbles into unfamiliar territory. In these situations, confidence is key. Judges want to make the “right” decision, and seeming like you’re certain you’re winning is a good way to capitalize on that.


6. “Debating your way will work better than debating the ‘right’ way.”

You’ll always do better when you keep the debate in your wheelhouse. If you’re just not a fast-talking, technical person, you’ll do better by tailoring your arguments to suit that style than by trying to transform yourself into someone who runs 12-off. The reverse is also true. Do an honest self-assessment of your strengths and weaknesses, and then work on emphasizing your strengths, while downplaying your weaknesses. You gotta do you.


7. “When the round is going off the rails, hard stop and reboot.”

We’ve all had those debates where mid-round we were sure we were destined to lose. Fight those feelings! Never give up. Instead, stop, and take a minute to figure out what new direction you can take. Dropped a counterplan that solves the aff in the 2AC? Hey, you can always go for theory. And so on.


8. “Know where the debate is headed before it starts.”

Ask yourself before the round even begins, and then again when you start prepping for every speech “how am I most likely to win the debate? How are my opponents most likely to win the debate?” Your goal should always be to place yourself in your opponents’ and judges’ shoes, and then cover the flow accordingly.


9. “You’re always telling the judge a story. Make it one they want to believe in.”

Whether you’re an LDer talking about Kant, a policy kid reading 8 politics disads, someone rocking a nontraditional argument about identity, or anything in between, you are ALWAYS telling the judge a story. The winner is usually whoever told the most salient, believable story. Don’t forget to tie everything together into one neat little package, and never underestimate the power of a good story.


10. “Research should be open and honest.”

Don’t just research by trying to find a specific card. Even if you find it, you may miss out on a cool position you never anticipated. A better technique is to begin your research process open to anything you might discover. This will help you develop a strong foundation of background knowledge in the topic, as well as give you opportunities to stumble upon unique, creative arguments. And, yes, it will also make it easier to choose good search terms when eventually you need to find that one special card.


11. “Winning is important, but it isn’t everything.”

The skills you learn and the friends you make will stick with you a lot longer than your record will. As we’ve said before, the people you meet in debate will probably become your best friends, so you should start treating them that way now. Above all else, never sacrifice your integrity for a W. You have to be able to live with yourself at the end of the day.


12. “When in doubt, just say the opposite of what the other team said.”

The strategy of just asserting the contrary is surprisingly underutilized. Sometimes, the best argument is simply “no, the opposite.” If they say “economic growth is good,” why not say “economic growth is bad?” You should always be ready for that direct clash.

Should be a sticky in all forums. Many a fallacy could be prevented by following these simplex rules of debate and argumentation.

 

[Garbarrage]

Can't rep

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Hi mate, long time no see. How've you been?

All good. Didn't recognise you with the new avatar. I'm guessing your choice explains Leo's new forum face?

Not seeing either of you on much these days. I see notification of him logging on and logging off. Taking a break?

Is this off-topic? What's the topic again? Something about railroads?

 

[Mikey2305]

Problem with the ignore button is that you miss out on so much of whats going on. Threads become disjointed unless someone quotes what the ignored person is saying. The moral high ground can be a lonely place...

Feel sorry for me folks

 

[StiTch]

And without further ado ladies and gents, my personal favourite: the Forum Armchair Psychiatrist.

(better known to myself as "the Frontier psychiatrist when observed around these parts)

 

[Sooden]

All good. Didn't recognise you with the new avatar. I'm guessing your choice explains Leo's new forum face?

Not seeing either of you on much these days. I see notification of him logging on and logging off. Taking a break?

Is this off-topic? What's the topic again? Something about railroads?

That's the cool things about this thread,, people trying to smartty-pants like yourself, are 100% on topic.

your not very good at this, are you?

 

[Garbarrage]

That's the cool things about this thread,, people trying to smartty-pants like yourself, are 100% on topic.

your not very good at this, are you?

Considering that I'm just doing what I do in almost every thread. Whiny, entitled threads in particular, I can't say that I'm trying to be a "smartty-pants".

I really didn't recognise Red from his new avatar. I really haven't seen much of Leo lately. So basically I'm just shooting the breeze. I might as well do it in a thread that's of little consequence. The fact that it's vaguely relevant is just a happy coincidence.

On topic - some people take games too seriously, and some people take forums too seriously.

 

[Mikey2305]

... and some people take life too seriously!

 

[Sooden]

Considering that I'm just doing what I do in almost every thread. Whiny, entitled threads in particular, I can't say that I'm trying to be a "smartty-pants".

I really didn't recognise Red from his new avatar. I really haven't seen much of Leo lately. So basically I'm just shooting the breeze. I might as well do it in a thread that's of little consequence. The fact that it's vaguely relevant is just a happy coincidence.

On topic - some people take games too seriously, and some people take forums too seriously.

Oh-so innocent, keep it up, this is gold!

The form has a few tools for catching up. you can private message and/or set up a catch up thread in the off-topic areas
Have a feeling you will need a step by step guide.
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- You see someone in a forums, you pm them 'how have you been, long time no troll'.
- you happen to see another person you haven't seen in 5 minuets, do the same, maybe add, 'oh I bumped in to troll-o-tron, we should open a thread and catch up...or use one of the many other social media platforms'
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I could say more.. but I really don't what to stop this train

 

[Dbrn47]

Should be a sticky in all forums. Many a fallacy could be prevented by following these simplex rules of debate and argumentation.

Not everyone gives an Onion Head. Some just like organic banter without having to overthink about fallacies. It's not a rule to engage arguments and it's certainly not anyone's job here to educate people on debate. There's, what, over 200 fallacies total? There's even a fallacy for fallacies... Who wants to think about all that just to talk to people on a forum? Certainly not me. If I can make sense of it, I go with it, if I can't, I'll ask for clarification.

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Problem with the ignore button is that you miss out on so much of whats going on. Threads become disjointed unless someone quotes what the ignored person is saying. The moral high ground can be a lonely place...

Feel sorry for me folks

Or you'll get wise crackers like me who will still talk to you even if you've ignored me, or I'll quote things so people can see the words of someone they've ignored. Actually, no, disregard, I would never do either of those things.

 

[Red Anders]

All good. Didn't recognise you with the new avatar. I'm guessing your choice explains Leo's new forum face?

Not seeing either of you on much these days. I see notification of him logging on and logging off. Taking a break?

Is this off-topic? What's the topic again? Something about railroads?

Topics are over-rated And yeah, Leo and I have were having a rotating avatar week in which he was baiting me with right wing icons and I was responding in kind, until he went full desk-flip yesterday and changed it to Diane Abbott, again to wind me up because she infuriates me. I've been having a break for a couple of months, still log in occasionally but motivation is lacking at the moment.

(I'm imagining OP's surprise here that I wasn't just taking the mickey with my last post and you are in fact someone I've known for ages and haven't seen for a while )

Oh-so innocent, keep it up, this is gold!

Hadn't even seen your post when I wrote the above. I've known Garb for about 5 years now just so you're aware, originally via the forum of another game we both used to play.

On topic: You don't actually run the forum so truthfully, I don't particularly give a crap what you think is appropriate or otherwise. Hope you don't take offence at that because there's no emotional component in that statement whatsoever, it's just a bald fact. You are coming across as spectacularly humourless though, as well as seemingly having no recognition whatsoever of the fact conversations often grow organically depending on individual's input and that interesting and unforseen outcomes can often arise from that.

 

[Yaffle]

All

Let's cut out the sniping. Feel free to stay on topic and respectful, or don't post.

Thanks.

 

[LeoBartlet]

Considering that I'm just doing what I do in almost every thread. Whiny, entitled threads in particular, I can't say that I'm trying to be a "smartty-pants".

I really didn't recognise Red from his new avatar. I really haven't seen much of Leo lately. So basically I'm just shooting the breeze. I might as well do it in a thread that's of little consequence. The fact that it's vaguely relevant is just a happy coincidence.

On topic - some people take games too seriously, and some people take forums too seriously.

I've not played at all as im currently balls deep in building a minecraft city.

I might have a look see come 2.4 or 3. whatever.

On topic: games are good bacon is better vote conservative for a strong and stable government, smell my spaniel, Rise up comrades, ban the teletubbies.