General / Off-Topic The coming French elections

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Edouard Philippe, the new prime minister of France , said in January. "Emmanuel Macron assumes nothing but promises everything, with the ardor of a juvenile conqueror and the cynicism of an old truck driver"

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Remus

Remus
Patrick_68000 said:
City Hall of Paris, yesterday during the visit of Macron to the mayor of Paris (after the Champs Elysees). Second channel FRENCH. As you can see, the town hall square is complete. People do not know how to place themselves ... :p

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For the uneducated, I did not say that nobody came, I said that there were not many people

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Jean Marc Morandini is your new source Patrick ? Are you that desperate to prove your point ? You are just digging your own hole.

For those that want to know, the picture above has been taken from the blog of an ex journalist accused of "corruption on minors" in 2016. How do I know ? Because it is the only place one can find this exact picture.

http://www.jeanmarcmorandini.com/ar...haque-minute-de-cette-journee-historique.html

And BTW, the picture was taken AFTER Macron had paid it's visit to the mayor, as the weather shows.

May I remind you that there where indeed very strict checkpoints that day, because you know, state of emergency, president investiture, all that stuff.

And one wonders there is not the same crowd as in pictures taken BEFORE the state of emergency was proclaimed !

Now Patrick, I'm done with you.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Remus said:
And BTW, the picture was taken AFTER Macron had paid it's visit to the mayor, as the weather shows.
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Wrong.

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Jean Marc Morandini is your new source Patrick ?
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I saw the square while Macron was inside the town hall. It was the same from the helicopter of the French television channel. And this is not a picture of morandini it is a screenshot of video of the second French national television channel

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Because it is the only place one can find this exact picture.
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Wrong. The helicopter of the French television retransmitted this view yesterday in live for a long time, as marked on the screenshot "En direct"
 
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TheAntitheist Crusader

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I know the chances of you endorsing that rally were slim, but I felt I had to point it out regardless. Manif Pour Tous isn't a nice protest group. Interestingly, they often inflate the number of demonstrators they draw.



I've had a similar debate with my brother plenty of times. He was a hardcore Bernie supporter during the primary, while I preferred Hillary. Though, both of us pledged to vote for whichever won the nomination. He still likes to call many Democrats "corporatist." While Democrats do take money from big corporate lobbies, I think it's silly to use that label in the context of our current Republican party.

On a side note, many far right nationalist candidates are nominally pro-gay. Like Trump and Le Pen, they put forward an affectation of not caring much about gay marriage or similar rights. They have a veneer of libertarian talking points. Often, their "support" of gays is used an excuse for their xenophobic policies. IE, "we need to stop refugees because Muslims are anti-gay,"
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About Bernie vs Hilary/macron/blair corporatism....i would always support Bernie/Warren. But yes, i would always support Clinton,Blair,Macron over the deplorable Trump/Cruz/Le Pen/May (any right winger). But still the fact remains that the western democracies are sick of the establishment, and Macron is the establishment.
 
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Boomer Kay

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TheAntitheist Crusader said:
But still the fact remains that the western democracies are sick of the establishment, and Macron is the establishment.
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They had 20 years time to become better than the establishment and beat the establishment at their own game, which is getting the people behind them with topics that actually matter.

At one point in time you have to diagnose political Stockholm syndrome. ;p

Seriously, the Grande Ecole issue was already a thing in the 90ies. And instead of demanding more opportunities for their offspring, French farmers wanted more production quota in the EU.
Amongst the 100or so of my class in the Ecole Superieure (and that was just the preparation for a later Grande ecole visit) I studied at, I was the only one from a farmer family .. from Germany. And you wonder why France is underperforming.

And now again, instead of demanding more opportunities, they're turning full American and start a crowd size discussion. Like that's gonna help them.
 
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NascentChemist

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TheAntitheist Crusader said:
About Bernie vs Hilary/macron/blair corporatism....i would always support Bernie/Warren. But yes, i would always support Clinton,Blair,Macron over the deplorable Trump/Cruz/Le Pen/May (any right winger). But still the fact remains that the western democracies are sick of the establishment, and Macron is the establishment.
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But why are people tired of the establishment? In the US, the country has generally improved over the last 8 years. What kind of ennui is encouraging people to hand power over to parties that simply want to break things?

For the last couple decades, Republicans have claimed that gov't doesn't work. When they get elected, they actively sabotage gov't to prove their point to get re-elected! Right now, they're an opposition party that has forgotten how to govern.
 

Minonian

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Minonian
Patrick_68000 said:
City Hall of Paris, yesterday during the visit of Macron to the mayor of Paris (after the Champs Elysees). Second channel FRENCH. As you can see, the town hall square is complete. People do not know how to place themselves ... :p

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For the uneducated, I did not say that nobody came, I said that there were not many people

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In case you haven't noticed Marcon won the elections with 2/3.based on this it's next to unbelivable he have only this much supporters. Well, maybe before or after the bulk of the mass assembled. But surely you can't have this few people in case of a so popular politician like Macron on the height of the rally.

Also? We had this in Hungary. Number war, part of the usual russian supported nationalist attack. Just another trick in their tool both what they use to reduce voting spirit what's favors them. The best think what France can do if he not even starting it, don't let to came into picture.

my personal opinion about this kind of politicizing? Below childish. And this is why the people turns away if you start to politicize like this. And you know where is the real problem? It's also hurting your camp. Because you see? It's childish by everyone opinion, so it's usefulness is questionable at the best.
 
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TheAntitheist Crusader

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But why are people tired of the establishment? In the US, the country has generally improved over the last 8 years. What kind of ennui is encouraging people to hand power over to parties that simply want to break things?

For the last couple decades, Republicans have claimed that gov't doesn't work. When they get elected, they actively sabotage gov't to prove their point to get re-elected! Right now, they're an opposition party that has forgotten how to govern.
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The republicans govern the way they want to....for their donors, the centrist democrats have the advantage of looking like they care, sure Clinton and Obama are better for you than any republican, but they still take money at some point (Obama payed to speek to wall street recently and Hilary is terribly crooked), they still serve the Elite, the right wing is now normalised because of far right trump, Pence seems sane (he's terrible as well) so the centrist dems and "moderate" republicans will carry on trading governmens that don't really do or care much. You need sanders or Warren in 2020.
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
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I think I am as well. The disinformation push and spin is getting too desperate and frantic.
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No disinformation here. The reality, only the reality. And in the pleasure not to speak to you anymore. I do not appreciate particularly people who are of bad faith and who are in the denial of the reality
 
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Minonian

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Minonian
Patrick_68000 said:
No disinformation here. The reality, only the reality. And in the pleasure not to speak to you anymore. I do not appreciate particularly people who are of bad faith and who are in the denial of the reality
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Do you meant the alternative reality living inside in your head and matching with the alternative facts?
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Minonian said:
Do you meant the alternative reality living inside in your head and matching with the alternative facts?
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The truth reality of a frenchman who lives in France, who knows well his country and who knows what he sees and what he hears and what he reads

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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Nicolas Hulot to the environment. Very good but as expert observers say, there is a very good chance that he is paralyzed in his action. Because the Prime Minister and the Minister of Economy are people of the hard right conservative party. And these people like the nuclear power and everything which concern the productivity, the profitability ... Since the nomination of Hulot this afternoon, the share price of the EDF has fallen of 5% ... Some experts say that this nomination is more an operation of communication before the parliamentary elections
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Poor Nicolas Hulot. The Prime Minister Edouard Philippe is the former director of public affairs of Areva. The french nuclear multinational. Edouard Philippe is a pro-nuclear who had passed agreements of exploitation and pillaging of the uranium with the Niger. Bruno Lemaire, the minister of the economy is in favor of an energy mix. But his pragmatism (nuclear is a major asset for France), of very liberal inspiration, clearly gains on the ecological requirement. With the nomination of Hulot, the share price of EDF has lost today 6.57%. On Tuesday the share price had risen 7.1%, after the nomination of Edouard Philippe. Courage Nicolas, sincerely. Macron does not make your work easier. As some politicians suggest tonight, you will be probably forced to resign in a few months
 
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