Rusty went rogue. Everyone else go to Solo. 
I was going to step away, I've never felt as low with Elite as I do now, Quince isn't helping with that feeling and part of my frustration along with Frontier's inaction was that Quince was partially to blame for how I'm feeling so I struck out.
Yes you get it you really do. But what you get doesn't count. Frontier needs to get it.
I am far from unhinged. You would detect that in my responses if that were the case. My blood pressure is fine (I hope). There was no anger in that video and no hate. Emotion yes but calm and focused.
That it has no affect on my game is not the point. Clearly you haven't read any of my previous posts. The point is broken game mechanics.
The get rich quick exploits are a by-product of it. It may not affect my game but it affects what I think is fairness and affects the perceived value of bigger ships. Ships that some of us worked (or played) hard to earn. It will also seriously devalue the gaming experience of the newcomers... but lets not worry about those guys right ?
How is it now appropriate to leave a cash-bleeding system in play that allows the easy acquisition of Anacondas and Beluga Liners after merely a day or two's play, if that.
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95% of my Quince runs have been done in solo. For whatever reason, the mission boards in Open and Mobius haven't been kind to me. Meanwhile, I got 17 scan missions from a single solo board. Payouts for each only max out at over 2 mil, though, since I'm not Elite in exploration yet.Rusty went rogue. Everyone else go to Solo.
"lets not lose sight?" ok 'killer'.
Do I think the cheesing is a bit out of control? Sure. But it's happening because every other viable method for credit growth has been constrained by 'noble' knights like yourself, agitating for lock down. Instead of credits being available across a wide field of pursuits, in moderation, it's now small bursts of high gain because that's all that's left.
Congratulations, you are fighting your own ghost, sir. I am sorry this hasn't actually become apparent yet. Understand I don't really approve of the cheesing. But it's a symptom of a universe-wide problem. Missions system is busted. Very very busted. They need to fix it. You are fighting against your own mantra, at this point, rather than actually getting the thing fixed that has caused the issue.
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So instead of pushing to get the problems fixed the right way, you go ahead and make it so that less people play in open.
Good job. You're doing us all proud.
What is the right way ? Discussion ? Been there, done that. Mentioning it in my videos ? Been there, done that. Watching the great god Obsidian Ant promote the damn thing ? Is that the right way ?
Look back in this thread, I've made enough posts as have many others. Frontier seem to either be turning a blind eye or just not telling us anything.
This was the next step. 8 CMDR kills, I doubt that's doing to push anyone out of Open but for Quince they'd be best advised to as it might surprise you that I'm not the only one who takes exception to this laughable cash cow.
Or just leave it be. I know, that sounds like a hard thing to do, but it's much better than this outright childish reaction.
What does this do to you? Because it doesn't hurt me in my Python that I earned with hauling junk from station to station. It doesn't hurt me who hunted for alien relics for that sweet 100 million.
What does this do to you, personally? Does it just not feel fair? Or does it just feel good blowing up people that have no weapons to shoot back at you? All you needed was an excuse.
It's open, so PvP happens. Just know that your little crusade is childish at best.
Raise a bug report if you believe the BGS is acting incorrectly. If you are not satisfied with that outcome, then raise a support request. Frontier may not agree with you however.
Feel free to be a vigilante if you want, game doesn't care either way. But you'll destroy any arguments you had about either Quince or Crime and Punishment balance. As always, it's your choice CMDR. Some fresh air and perspective might be in order.
Also, if you receive a bunch of reports against you, be prepared for the consequences. Best of luck, CMDR.
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"lets not lose sight?" ok 'killer'.
heh, touche
It is at Frontiers discretion what they do and don't react to when people cry out and that includes my own personal tirade. Frontier need to take control of their own destiny a bit more and stop letting the loud minority shout the odds, again that includes me if I'm wrong about this.
Then the game will rise or fall based on that.
Maybe the fact that no decent cash can otherwise be made (which is not correct) is what needs addressing as opposed to what amounts to a broken ATM machine.
There's only not enough money to be made for those who place credit acquisition as their first and foremost goal. Playing Elite like a Ferengi.
There is more to the game than credits and fleshing out the core gameplay should be geared towards embellishing that.
My goal, whether my methods are agreeable or not, is to see a better came and not have nonsense like Quince in this game. If you want to criticise me for that then go ahead.
It's quite pathetic to stack 7 missions where you have 3 different places to have to take your passengers to but it's ok to go to just one to satisfy them all. They're all happy still. Imagine that with a taxi and 3 passengers who all want to go to different places but you only go to one and the other two blindly get out, pay your and are happy that you took them to where they asked. It's just stupid.
I am very very much aware it's a galaxy wide issue and that it's the mission system. Quince is hi lighting those issues to great effect.
How do I 'get the thing fixed' ? I'm not an FDev programmer. If I was, this would have been sorted within the first week (or picked up in bug testing).
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Bug report submitted by me over 2 weeks ago. Zero response from Frontier. They may not agree but if they think Quince is just hunky dory then the situation for this game is dire if it carries on with that quality control. Game caring or not is irrelevant. My only concern is what FDev's reaction is.
This isn't vigilantism and I don't see how it destroys my argument at all. Quite the opposite. It can only be destroyed by ignoring what's going on.
I think my perspective is not too bad. I could have killed many many more had I so wished. I kept perspective and did just enough to make my point to make the video.
Probably for the best you aren't. The BGS is quite probably the most complicated piece of code and structure frontier has developed. Stellar Forge is the other. The BGS is the glue that hold practically all mission and related mechanics together. It is not a trivial beast.
The problems rise when people believe things like quince are singular "wrong" outcomes. No. They are entirely valid, based on the rules the BGS uses. There will always be occasional aberrations based on combinations. It's pure statistical chance. Note that as soon as the state changes, those missions dry up, so it's cyclical.
But did you ever stop to ask why people are cheesing Quince? Is it, perhaps, because the missions system needs missions to spawn properly, with relevant credit value, across many disciplines, and yet currently doesn't? Is it because of 'starving' the system of value really anywhere else? You might not see the connection. That's a shame, because anyone else that uses the system will have seen it. And many, in simple exasperation , have reverted to cheesing, because it's all they have left.
The developer has recognised the core mechanics need work. Put the pitchfork down commander, they are going to tackle the base mechanics of the game. This includes missions system. Perhaps, patience and encouragement to the developer, rather than guns, might be the answer.
Up to you. 'killer'.
This is no different to griefers' argument that newbie players have themselves to blame for venturing into an anarchy or lawless system and deserved to be killed by veteran players. To use your taxi analogy: is it right or stupid for 3 - a civilian, aid worker or a reporter - to travel to and be killed in a war torn country?
Edit: All 3 have different reasons to be in the war torn country like 3 taxi passengers with different destinations in mind.
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No, I think you've lost all perspective. It's now you versus frontier. And that's spilled over to "making a point" and attention seeking. Something that has nothing to do with the problem and everything to do with having a tantrum that the developer hasn't responded within some arbitrary time frame. I think petulant behaviour doesn't really do much to further your concerns. It's also highly redundant.
I'm sorry but if your reaction to the developer not moving to meet your timetable, is to just go gank random people who are simply playing the game as it stands; I can only presume this is personal, illogical religious zeal at this point. Indiscriminate killing of commanders won't change jack, by the way. Nor should it. If they jumped every time someone "made a video" of murdering people because of some protest, they would never get anything done.
Perhaps take a break?
edit: I think the above about covers it.
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Why your worried about whats in the other guys bank account is beyond me, it does not directly affect you(oh boohoo there are more condas) therefore i can only come to the conclusion your throwing a fit cause YOU dont like it, hate to tell ya but what you dont like dousnt matter in the grand scheme of things, I think the whole quince issue is stupid, just a bunch of whiny people worrying about what the other kids toy collection is
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I was watching your video and was also thinking "ok he is frustrated, ED lets him kill like this,so it's ok. He ,for some reason, doesn't like others using Quince"
Then I read winter jarsa's post,and your reply(which was a deflection) and lost all respect and interest in your plight !
Apart from getting some steam off you wont achieve anything this way Rusty. Those ppl will just switch to private/solo and continue to make money.
To change the topic slightly - are the data scan missions supposed to increase exploration rank?
It doesn't happen to me - I wonder is it because I SD at planet rather than traveling back to station or is it because of something else.
Also another question - does the payout depend on my explorer rank? eg. higher rank, better per mission payout? (I rarely get missions above 1m, most of them are below 500k ea)
It doesn't happen to me - I wonder is it because I SD at planet rather than traveling back to station or is it because of something else.
Also another question - does the payout depend on my explorer rank? eg. higher rank, better per mission payout? (I rarely get missions above 1m, most of them are below 500k ea)
No more intra-system passenger mission stacking at Quince. Checked last night - not a single one. So there must have already been some server-side adjustment to the Quince mission generation system.
No, scan missions does not affect your explorer rank as far as I know.
To get better paying missions you will have to rank up with Quince factions. Just keep doing them, better one should pop up.