Quince is even more broken than we tought

[EddyRockSteady]

But surely missions aren't locked behind the ranks anymore (since when, I can't quite remember.., about 2.1 I think). They might state "Elite" in the mission description, but you can still find and take these whatever your rank, they're mostly just suggestions now.

Unless rank somehow determines what appears...

However, I definitely see missions on a regular basis in the bubble where it states: (This contract exceeds your ... rank).

Referring specifically only to surface scanning missions, I don't know as I am Elite in exploration. Rank does however determine payout so I assume it must be locked behind a rank requirement. Other CMDRs might be able to confirm.

Can you point me to that Eddy please ? Thx.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/353383-No-missions-at-milerlport-in-quince

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

Serious question here : Would you have taken this attitude if you had no credits ?
(you stated on forums that you're a Billionaire : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-need-a-nerf?p=5360788&viewfull=1#post5360788 )

Serious answer, no. Because I wouldn't have been able to buy a ship to get there with.

Ok that wasn't really serious, I get what your asking....

Truthfully, yes I would have taken the same attitude if I was say Expert with 40million in the bank.
The issue here is NOT the credits even though most of mine was earned without farming exploits. "We did it the hard way back in the day, son"
The issue here for me is having the game mechanics fixed. On the video at the start, I highlight 3 issues. The 3rd one is not really relevant to anything except my actions in that video not being accounted for with anything other than a paltry fine.
The other 2 issues though... they are game-wide issues. Quince is only serving to ligt up those issues like a Christmas tree.

This is about the principal of it, not so much about who has what or how much. Although it is irksome to see players abusing and exploiting the game like this. Yeah yeah it doesn't affect me but that's not the point. It's like watching people cheat the system by exploiting situations where the game is broken. If fact that's exactly what it is. It's a shame we have this cash bleed in the game and it's disappointing to watch.
That it continues lies at Frontiers doorstep and I hope they don't see this as intentional gameplay because it just can't be.

As a player with a lot of time invested in Elite Dangerous, not to mention running a YouTube channel dedicated to the game, I want the game to be fixed and made better. It's in my interest to want that. Maybe my passion for that has taken me too far this time.
But I have to assume Frontier want the same thing.
This is also why I cry out for more core content instead of more bolt-on stuff.
Seeing Quince bleed money out to all and sundry and nothing done to plug the leak is disappointing.
If the money bleed was happening in a logical way, like Robigo, then I guess I'd be fine with it. But it isn't. It's broken and people are farming the hell out of it as a result. I guess that's just human nature and of course there are those who just seek instant gratification which Elite has never been about and never should be. We cannot have Elite moulded into what arcade gamers want. Elite would lose itself in that.

I'm probably not explaining my case very well by saying it's not about the money then say that people are farming money out of it. Many disagree with my method in that video and I completely understand it and even agree with some of the opposing view.
But at the time it was a stance I felt I was pushed into taking from an emotional point of view. We're none of us perfect.

So yes, I would do the same thing as a relative pauper.

TLDR. Yes

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

Good, because you still don't have my respect, mainly because you think you are right and I am wrong.
It isn't about right or wrong,and it is none of your business how anyone plays ED, unless you paid for their game?
Get over it, go kill Cmdrs, or not, who cares....

So you just disrespect anyone with an opposing viewpoint ? You'll go far.

What you are wrong about is what you think my reasons are and for some reason you can't get past that.
I do agree what it's none of my business how anyone plays ED. This is the part you can't seem to grasp. We agree on this.
But it is a concern that a system is bleeding cash and Frontier so far have turned a blind eye to the abuse of the exploits created by incorrectly programmed game mechanics that allow this cash to bleed.
There's nothing stopping me going there to make another billion but on principal I won't do it. That and the fact that there's way more to the game that some boring rinse and repeat gameplay which people are only too happy to accept doing if there's money involved. Then it's fine. Otherwise it's a grind and must be complained about.

Game mechanics are the fault here, ok ? Got that ? And it's not just Quince, this would happen game-wide. Just want them fixed.

As for 'go kill CMDRs'.... certainly not !! I've made my point, I've had the guts to push the video out regardless of how it adversely affects me such is my desire to see this fixed. It's over and done with now. I'll leave the rest to Frontier who I know from personal experience are the best bunch of people you'll ever want to meet. Perhaps this is why I'm frustrated on this one.
I'll go have a cup of tea.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/353383-No-missions-at-milerlport-in-quince

That's great stuff. Many thanks Eddy ! Although Mitch did say "I believe it has been...". I hope he's right.
And also nice to see Frontier confirm this as an exploit which I hope shuts up those who thought it wasn't!
I also hope the scan missions get equal treatment by properly capping at 3 and not 3 per minor faction.

I will visit Quince for myself to confirm.

And now I'll try to stop hi-jacking this thread as I think I'm being unfair to others.

 

[Fractal_Shard]

Serious answer, no. Because I wouldn't have been able to buy a ship to get there with.

Ok that wasn't really serious, I get what your asking....

Truthfully, yes I would have taken the same attitude if I was say Expert with 40million in the bank.
The issue here is NOT the credits even though most of mine was earned without farming exploits. "We did it the hard way back in the day, son"
The issue here for me is having the game mechanics fixed. On the video at the start, I highlight 3 issues. The 3rd one is not really relevant to anything except my actions in that video not being accounted for with anything other than a paltry fine.
The other 2 issues though... they are game-wide issues. Quince is only serving to ligt up those issues like a Christmas tree.

This is about the principal of it, not so much about who has what or how much. Although it is irksome to see players abusing and exploiting the game like this. Yeah yeah it doesn't affect me but that's not the point. It's like watching people cheat the system by exploiting situations where the game is broken. If fact that's exactly what it is. It's a shame we have this cash bleed in the game and it's disappointing to watch.
That it continues lies at Frontiers doorstep and I hope they don't see this as intentional gameplay because it just can't be.

As a player with a lot of time invested in Elite Dangerous, not to mention running a YouTube channel dedicated to the game, I want the game to be fixed and made better. It's in my interest to want that. Maybe my passion for that has taken me too far this time.
But I have to assume Frontier want the same thing.
This is also why I cry out for more core content instead of more bolt-on stuff.
Seeing Quince bleed money out to all and sundry and nothing done to plug the leak is disappointing.
If the money bleed was happening in a logical way, like Robigo, then I guess I'd be fine with it. But it isn't. It's broken and people are farming the hell out of it as a result. I guess that's just human nature and of course there are those who just seek instant gratification which Elite has never been about and never should be. We cannot have Elite moulded into what arcade gamers want. Elite would lose itself in that.

I'm probably not explaining my case very well by saying it's not about the money then say that people are farming money out of it. Many disagree with my method in that video and I completely understand it and even agree with some of the opposing view.
But at the time it was a stance I felt I was pushed into taking from an emotional point of view. We're none of us perfect.

So yes, I would do the same thing as a relative pauper.

TLDR. Yes

honestly nobody cares how YOU earned your creds, players of this game are not YOU, you seem to have this air of authority that people have to make money the same way you did, which is a bull attitude to maintain, at that leads to my point, why the hell do you care about other peoples way of making creds, its honestly none of your business, and its seems that your just crying about it cuase people arnt going through the grind you did. Who are you to talk down to people who make money a different way. Your getting a little to big for your britches bud as do most the the whiny players on this game who have the same mentality that you possess of "its my way or the highway". Its this whole sense of entitlement that a lot of people of this community seem to have.

 

[DukeIronHand]

Why does the "nerf the latest money making exploit" for the "good of the game" always come from billionaires?

For full disclosure I am not a billionaire (440 million in ships and money) and I "grinded" it the old fashioned way.
That means little as I sure as hell would have (probably) exploited if given the opportunity early career. Gah I hate the Sidewinder.
As a ship minimalist (trying to go with just one ship) I have more money now then I know what to do with.

 

[Wasp0]

Is Quince now not dead after FD stepped in a day or so ago? guess not if Rusty's vid was made recently (After QA-Mitch's post on the 23rd) ??

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Is Quince now not dead after FD stepped in a day or so ago? guess not if Rusty's vid was made recently (After QA-Mitch's post on the 23rd) ??

Pax missions are dead.

That said, you can do the same anywhere in the galaxy so it remains to be seen whether they only killed Quince or killed it everywhere.

 

[dognosh]

So you just disrespect anyone with an opposing viewpoint ? You'll go far.

What you are wrong about is what you think my reasons are and for some reason you can't get past that.
I do agree what it's none of my business how anyone plays ED. This is the part you can't seem to grasp. We agree on this.
But it is a concern that a system is bleeding cash and Frontier so far have turned a blind eye to the abuse of the exploits created by incorrectly programmed game mechanics that allow this cash to bleed.
There's nothing stopping me going there to make another billion but on principal I won't do it. That and the fact that there's way more to the game that some boring rinse and repeat gameplay which people are only too happy to accept doing if there's money involved. Then it's fine. Otherwise it's a grind and must be complained about.

Game mechanics are the fault here, ok ? Got that ? And it's not just Quince, this would happen game-wide. Just want them fixed.

As for 'go kill CMDRs'.... certainly not !! I've made my point, I've had the guts to push the video out regardless of how it adversely affects me such is my desire to see this fixed. It's over and done with now. I'll leave the rest to Frontier who I know from personal experience are the best bunch of people you'll ever want to meet. Perhaps this is why I'm frustrated on this one.
I'll go have a cup of tea.

no, I disrespect when others want to push their principals in my face(like religious fanatics). You are doing this, but in a smaller way.

Enjoyed your last 2 replies to me.
Here's some respect +1 ,because now, it is deserved

 

[ZanoroO]

ok my english is not the best one but I'll try to share the things I observed in Quince

once you log in you have a table of missions

for example
if you have 2 scan missions and you pick them, you can relog how many times you want, there will be no more scan missions respaw
don't pick them, keep relogin till you get a good table, sometimes you get 10 or more scan mission and voilà

 

[rf40]

I can see Quince needing a change or two or maybe and addition to it's existing state. In it's current form, you have missions going to one planet, passenger missions, and massacre missions all going on within one system. That's fine but it seems so solitary. Quince needs to be opened up! Give it a binary / partner system(s) to work with. It doesn't have a trade hub either which is bad news. I want to do short trade runs around the Quince area... Like Imperial Slave Trading By giving it 6 to 9 other systems to work with it, you will see a change in system dynamics (power play comes to mind) which can lead to better play experience overall. Quince is isolated and is in a state of civil war all the time. It's time for a change!

FDEVS might want to consider putting in stations around systems like Quince. Open it up to trading and missions to other sysems (short ranges 3-18 lys) Having more growth in the area can only be a good thing.

OR

LET players build BASES on moons or around moons ... and hire npcs to run them (basically npc would take over all functions of station activity) but maybe the player would get a % of the profits heh?
just an idea...

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

honestly nobody cares how YOU earned your creds, players of this game are not YOU, you seem to have this air of authority that people have to make money the same way you did, which is a bull attitude to maintain, at that leads to my point, why the hell do you care about other peoples way of making creds, its honestly none of your business, and its seems that your just crying about it cuase people arnt going through the grind you did. Who are you to talk down to people who make money a different way. Your getting a little to big for your britches bud as do most the the whiny players on this game who have the same mentality that you possess of "its my way or the highway". Its this whole sense of entitlement that a lot of people of this community seem to have.

Hey calm the hell down and do some damn research instead of writing a pile of nonsense from a clearly ignorant position.
Everything you've said there is pure and inaccurate and if you'd taken the time to read any of my posts here or on my YT video you might have understood that by now. I'm not going to repeat myself ad infinitum because you're too lazy or don't care to read up on this.

You want proper debate then come across like you do instead of a bad tempered teen who didn't do his homework !

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

no, I disrespect when others want to push their principals in my face(like religious fanatics). You are doing this, but in a smaller way.

Enjoyed your last 2 replies to me.
Here's some respect +1 ,because now, it is deserved

Thanks dognosh I'm not trying to push my principals in peoples faces. That's not my main intention. I do have my principals on what I think is fair or not or abusive or not within the game but I really just want to push that towards Frontier and highlight issues like Quince. I have to accept whatever they ultimately decide on this but I don't have to like it It's the silence I can't bear

That said it does seem FDev have actually killed off local Passenger missions in Quince. I just wish they hadn't been so quiet about it and maybe posted a little note here as opposed to be being buried in a bug report.
But it's done and that's a good thing so I say a heartfelt thank you to Frontier for stepping up.
Still got the scan missions though which need properly capping at 3 or something. Right now they don't seem to cap at 3 at all.
I tested that by taking 4 scan missions from the same minor faction on the same mission board (no swapping). The 4th one accepted no problem. All missions from the same minor faction all asking me to do the exact same thing. It just ain't right lad
Still, we're halfway there so I feel I can move on for now.

Right where next !

 

[dognosh]

Right where next !

erm... multi crew ?

 

[Alex D]

You want proper debate then come across like you do instead of a bad tempered teen who didn't do his homework !

Sorry to say this, but for the past 10 pages of this thread or so, you are the one acting childish, not listening to arguments and behaving like you would have your sand castle destroyed.
How about you chill out, before eople will actually get your behaviour reported and you will lose access to forums?

 

[Wasp0]

Sorry to say this, but for the past 10 pages of this thread or so, you are the one acting childish, not listening to arguments and behaving like you would have your sand castle destroyed.
How about you chill out, before eople will actually get your behaviour reported and you will lose access to forums?

Been reading this thread all day today but have not contributed for 30 or so pages, but i must say your post Alex puzzles me. Exactly what behaviour of Rusty Dogs needs to be reported? I can't find anything but adult discussion, not derogatory, no name calling???

One might not agreee with his stance, but i do think you have over reacted in your post.

Please enlighten me to any part of his post that you think should be reported? I may have missed something?

 

[Alex D]

Please enlighten me to any part of his post that you think should be reported? I may have missed something?

Repeating same thing over and over again, is called spamming.
Discussion happens when you actually listen to other people, which is not the case.
When Rusty felt he's not having enough applause, he went into killing people (revenge, way to tell people to stay off, something else?)
Rather than complaining and whining here all over again, he should report it to FDevs and wait patiently.
Otherwise it's childish to say "I want this changed now!", all day long, don't you think?

 

[Wasp0]

Repeating same thing over and over again, is called spamming.
Discussion happens when you actually listen to other people, which is not the case.
When Rusty felt he's not having enough applause, he went into killing people (revenge, way to tell people to stay off, something else?)
Rather than complaining and whining here all over again, he should report it to FDevs and wait patiently.
Otherwise it's childish to say "I want this changed now!", all day long, don't you think?

It's not what i think Alex, i am just trying to understand where you think he has broken forum rules to be banned as you suggest, and i don't think you have highlighted one?

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

Sorry to say this, but for the past 10 pages of this thread or so, you are the one acting childish, not listening to arguments and behaving like you would have your sand castle destroyed.
How about you chill out, before eople will actually get your behaviour reported and you will lose access to forums?

I am reading all posts on all pages here and I don't have a sand castle. I value others opinions if they're constructive even if they are in conflict with mine.
I am chilled. I have no fear of losing my forum access. I've done nothing here other than debate my opinion which is exactly what the forum is for.
Insult me though and don't be surprised if you get the same back.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

Repeating same thing over and over again, is called spamming.
Discussion happens when you actually listen to other people, which is not the case.
When Rusty felt he's not having enough applause, he went into killing people (revenge, way to tell people to stay off, something else?)
Rather than complaining and whining here all over again, he should report it to FDevs and wait patiently.
Otherwise it's childish to say "I want this changed now!", all day long, don't you think?

Sometimes I have to repeat things because some keep repeating the same old stuff over and over again showing they have not paid attention to previous posts and just gone in blind.
I don't need nor seek applause. None of the kills were revenge. See you just don't understand it and you wonder why I have to repeat things.
The something else is to make the point of getting the Quince system fixed or nerfed. Those that chose to abuse and exploit the open cash wound in Open were shown the risks.

I have reported it to FDevs. As for all day long, I just feel it polite to those that reply to one of my posts. That has been going on all day long.