Quince is even more broken than we tought

[Bran Tse Mallory]

IMHO FD are not capable of fixing it.

I have been around since beginning of Gamma (Anybody else remember - Oh the tears when Gamma progress was carried over to release [haha] ). Even then we had Gold Mines, ie arguably piddle-poor coding/decision implementation disasters resulting in those 'clever' enough to make a quick buck, or so we thought. Still took me a gawdawful looooong time to run the so-called 'gold-mine' exploits (rares) that time to even afford an Anaconda for my garage (No, could not afford the outfitting even though I was filthy-rich by others' standards).

And then there was the Triple-Elite competition, where Combat Elite was very easily farmed with the war-zone AFK/Turret so-called 'exploit'.

Seeking luxuries anyone?

Oh yes, selling Gold for about 50 000 credits a ton.......my T9 is still smarting lol

And who can forget the slave runs! Stinky as but hey, money talks.

The list goes on.....

Every poor game decision/coding gets labelled an exploit, which really irritates me. We take a mission that says fly to A and scan. We also take more missions to scan B, C, D and E.

We comply with the requirements, ie we go to A and scan A. The intent is obviously to go and scan B, but due to shoddy coding the others auto-compete and we get branded exploiters?

Bovine Doo-Doo.

Rusty, you are right: The game is broken. I just think that people don't actually realise the true extent of brokenness. It's reached the stage where the only way you can not reasonably be accused of 'exploiting' is to not play the game at all. You cannot even sidestep the unintended behaviour - it just happens lol.

Oh wei.

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When CMDR's load up Elite they have every right to use the software in the way it is presented with all of it's abilities - If that means exploits then it's down to the Developers to resolve without taking it out on the players who took advantage of their bugs/design choices. However as PvP is also part of the game I'd like to add '"Have fun Rusty!" and give him The Foundations special title of Junk Yard Dog for trying to keep the riff-raff out of my minor factions beautiful home system!

 

[Sathayorn]

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When CMDR's load up Elite they have every right to use the software in the way it is presented with all of it's abilities - If that means exploits then it's down to the Developers to resolve without taking it out on the players who took advantage of their bugs/design choices. However as PvP is also part of the game I'd like to add '"Have fun Rusty!" and give him The Foundations special title of Junk Yard Dog for trying to keep the riff-raff out of my minor factions beautiful home system!

I suppose, with this admittedly absurd example, if there were an exploit to invade peoples solo games, I should take advantage of that, inform all the griefer groups, and blow peoples ships up where they felt the safest?
Just because it's "part of the game" doesn't mean it should be abused - Don't try to justify taking advantage of exploits, simply because FD has a lot of other things on their plate.

 

[dognosh]

IMHO FD are not capable of fixing it.

I have been around since beginning of Gamma (Anybody else remember - Oh the tears when Gamma progress was carried over to release [haha] ). Even then we had Gold Mines, ie arguably piddle-poor coding/decision implementation disasters resulting in those 'clever' enough to make a quick buck, or so we thought. Still took me a gawdawful looooong time to run the so-called 'gold-mine' exploits (rares) that time to even afford an Anaconda for my garage (No, could not afford the outfitting even though I was filthy-rich by others' standards).

And then there was the Triple-Elite competition, where Combat Elite was very easily farmed with the war-zone AFK/Turret so-called 'exploit'.

Seeking luxuries anyone?

Oh yes, selling Gold for about 50 000 credits a ton.......my T9 is still smarting lol

And who can forget the slave runs! Stinky as but hey, money talks.

The list goes on.....

Every poor game decision/coding gets labelled an exploit, which really irritates me. We take a mission that says fly to A and scan. We also take more missions to scan B, C, D and E.

We comply with the requirements, ie we go to A and scan A. The intent is obviously to go and scan B, but due to shoddy coding the others auto-compete and we get branded exploiters?

Bovine Doo-Doo.

Rusty, you are right: The game is broken. I just think that people don't actually realise the true extent of brokenness. It's reached the stage where the only way you can not reasonably be accused of 'exploiting' is to not play the game at all. You cannot even sidestep the unintended behaviour - it just happens lol.

Oh wei.

You forgot the biggest exploit ever netting Cmdrs over a billion at a time, bounty hunting Cmdrs (you get millions or billions on your head, as a WANTED Cmdr, let your friend kill you, then you do same to him/her)

 

[CylonSurfer]

When you do it once, no, when you do it for a day, no... When you hear about it and you do it for weeks on end until it's fixed? Yes.

Agreed. Eddy knows this too....We all do really. I'm not sure why someone would try and defend using suching exploits and go to such lengths to call it anything but an exploit.

Yes it's bad coding, its FDEVS fault and really needs fixing, but exploiting that bad code to earn credits dishonestly is on the enduser. Eddy, why would I call you an exploiter? Well because clearly you and anyone else doing this are exploiting the bad coding to earn credits dishonestly. You may call it what you will but exploiting is exploiting at the end of the day.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

You forgot the biggest exploit ever netting Cmdrs over a billion at a time, bounty hunting Cmdrs (you get millions or billions on your head, as a WANTED Cmdr, let your friend kill you, then you do same to him/her)

Yep.

Admittedly forgot that

When you do it once, no, when you do it for a day, no... When you hear about it and you do it for weeks on end until it's fixed? Yes.

I pay hard-earned cash for renting the licence from FD in order to play Elite Dangerous. I don't even own said software. Now you're telling me that I have to stop, effectively terminating the limited use and enjoyment I have from the purchased leased licence until such time as FD can get their coding right, something which they should have done prior to leasing me said software?

Tell you what, you'll never get to playing the game.

Thanx but no thanx lol

 

[CylonSurfer]

I pay hard-earned cash for renting the licence from FD in order to play Elite Dangerous. I don't even own said software. Now you're telling me that I have to stop, effectively terminating the limited use and enjoyment I have from the purchased leased licence until such time as FD can get their coding right, something which they should have done prior to leasing me said software?

Tell you what, you'll never get to playing the game.

Thankx but no thanx lol

LMAO - He didn't say that all. I also didn't know that Elite had changed to a subscription model - sounds like you are being exploited if you are paying hard-earned cash to play. I paid once, twice if you include the Horizons DLC.

FDEV will likely fix the poor code which has been exploited by players such as yourself at some point. Would be nice if they are able to look at the exploiters ill gained credits and assets and remove them also but I doubt that will happen as at the end of the day it's their fault and not yours. That still doesn't make what your doing right, and no amount of posting to justify it will make one ounce of difference as exploiting is exploiting. Those who don't do it will always see those that do as cheap players.

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

I suppose, with this admittedly absurd example, if there were an exploit to invade peoples solo games, I should take advantage of that, inform all the griefer groups, and blow peoples ships up where they felt the safest?
Just because it's "part of the game" doesn't mean it should be abused - Don't try to justify taking advantage of exploits, simply because FD has a lot of other things on their plate.

lol At your example and attitude... Whats absurd are some of stupid bugs (mistakes by developers) that allow these kind of exploits to exist in the first place - Maybe turn your venom on them for making the up in the first place?

A bug in software is nothing more than a mistake by a developer - if they then push that software onto you what is to stop you using the software as is? As for your example well, if that's what you would do then go for it. Personally I have better morals and would not use something that I would think stupid to do.

I am not justifying taking advantage of anything - I am telling CMDR's to use the software provided for them...

In no way am I the one telling CMDR's what they cannot do because it upsets someone else.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

I also didn't know that Elite had changed to a subscription model - sounds like you are being exploited if you are paying hard-earned cash to play. I paid once, twice if you include the Horizons DLC.

Did you not read what I said?

Or do you think that you own the software you paid for?

I hope not.

 

[CylonSurfer]

I am aware of what a license is, yes. I am also very aware that I do not continue to pay for it, it was a one off transaction. Maybe you should read your post...

"I pay hard-earned cash for renting the licence from FD in order to play Elite Dangerous"

No, no you don't....you paid hard-earned cash to rent the licence from FD in order to play Elite Dangerous - just as you do with every other bit of enterainment media you purchase, from Blurays to games. It also has nothing to do with using exploits nor is it justification to exploit in an online game. It will be dealt with at some point, and likely a new exploit will be found for the locust type players out there to swarm toward.

 

[Sathayorn]

In no way am I the one telling CMDR's what they cannot do because it upsets someone else.

I pay hard-earned cash for renting the licence from FD in order to play Elite Dangerous. I don't even own said software. Now you're telling me that I have to stop, effectively terminating the limited use and enjoyment I have from the purchased leased licence until such time as FD can get their coding right, something which they should have done prior to leasing me said software?

Tell you what, you'll never get to playing the game.

Thanx but no thanx lol

Read my other posts, it's only a grind if you allow it to be, it's a game, do what's fun to you, and if that's finding a way to cheat your way to endgame, so be it. I guarantee that legitimate gains are more rewarding than exploiting for a quick fix.

Nor am I, all I'm saying is call it what it is, don't try to dance around the issue.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Maybe you should read your post....

Aaaahh logical/lexical semantics........gotta love it [haha]

Let's just agree to disagree [smile]

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Nor am I, all I'm saying is call it what it is, don't try to dance around the issue.

You cannot seem to understand that by avoiding the so-called 'exploit' I am forced to refrain from honest-to-goodness gameplay. I do an honest 'no-exploit' mission which AUTOMATICALLY triggers the so-called exploit.

I am not asking for the trigger.

It happens.

Now people have the audacity to tell me to stop running non-exploit missions because they trigger exploit missions?

Pull the other one.

 

[Sathayorn]

You cannot seem to understand that by avoiding the so-called 'exploit' I am forced to refrain from honest-to-goodness gameplay. I do an honest 'no-exploit' mission which AUTOMATICALLY triggers the so-called exploit.

I am not asking for the trigger.

It happens.

Now people have the audacity to tell me to stop running non-exploit missions because they trigger exploit missions?

Pull the other one.

Again, it has to do with repetition. Take passenger from Jeffries High to Gaylens Assention, ok, Take passengers to other visitor beacons in same system, ok - Oops, Gaylens did them all!
That's fine, let's do it a couple more times.
Yeah, that's fine. Definitely not a 1 time bug.
So next we have what's OBVIOUSLY exploiting...
Continuing to do this, knowing that you'll never take passengers anywhere near their target for weeks on end.

That's where it becomes abusing an exploit.
And, by all means, do it if it makes you happy. But call it what it is.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Again, it has to do with repetition.

Which is exactly what Elite is: Repetition. Doing the same thing over and over and over again, ad nauseam.

Eliminate repetition means eliminating Elite.

And no, I did not pay to play only the portion of Elite (is there even such a thing?) that is coded correctly.

 

[Sathayorn]

Which is exactly what Elite is: Repetition. Doing the same thing over and over and over again, ad nauseam.

Eliminate repetition means eliminating Elite.

And no, I did not pay to play only the portion of Elite (is there even such a thing?) that is coded correctly.

Just because it's possible to abuse the system doesn't mean you should. I'm not stopping you, I'm not even saying you shouldn't. All I'm saying is don't lie about what it really is. Saying that "it's in the game so it's legit" is a fallacy, defend your right to exploit, but don't call it legitimate gameplay.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Just because it's possible to abuse the system doesn't mean you should...

See, that is where we differ.

Nobody is abusing the system: The abuse follows as a matter of course, as a consequence of legitimate gameplay.

No matter how anyone attempts to sugar-coat it, it's a pretty poor reflection on the state of affairs that has been present in-game since November 2014. These threads are like Groundhog day for old timers lol

In any event, again time to agree to disagree

 

[CylonSurfer]

Aaaahh logical/lexical semantics........gotta love it [haha]

Let's just agree to disagree [smile]

All that exploiting and coming here and telling everyone that you are doing it and will not stop is telling everyone how rubbish you are at the game. So rubbish that you infact need to seek out and continually take missions from a particualr area which you can exploit rather than other missions types in different areas. I kinda feel sorry for you, you must really suck hard at games.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

All that exploiting and coming here and telling everyone that you are doing it and will not stop is telling everyone how rubbish you are at the game. So rubbish that you infact need to seek out and continually take missions from a particualr area which you can exploit rather than other missions types in different areas. I kinda feel sorry for you, you must really suck hard at games.

I'm in the bubble running around unlocking engineers

Ta for the personal attack though - mature. Gotta love that feeling of absolute empowerment one gets when sitting behind a keyboard and monitor. Exhilarating is it not?

Honestly.....

 

[Catweedle]

Would be epically funny to watch the forums if FD decided to do the same as in 2014/15: "We believe your account has taken advantage of exploits in the game and as such we have removed credits (and assets where appropriate) from your Commander.".

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Would be epically funny to watch the forums if FD decided to do the same as in 2014/15: "We believe your account has taken advantage of exploits in the game and as such we have removed credits (and assets where appropriate) from your Commander.".

That was module buying and selling, quite obviously an exploit and the polar opposite of the current mission-debacle. Please let us not confuse the issue.......can only imagine.......stations will run out of pitchforks lol