General / Off-Topic Hate crime in London?

[Leper Messiah]

Teacher stabbed by 3 muslim women in london with the usual "allah" nonsense. Police not treating it as terrorism NOR a hate crime....I am seriously amazed the teacher hasn't been arrested for getting her blood on the muslims knives....Can someone please tell me just what the HELL is going on in the UK??

edit, now finally classed as a hate crime, good. Some faith restored.

 

[EISENHORN01]

Man that's a big hook in front of me ooooooh loook at the wriggling little fishy YOMP YOMP YOMP, oh crap not again.

its twenty years of wishy washy liberal human rights CRAP. that mean we cannot remove or deport people from this country even if they are deemed a credible threat to its citizens. It's political correctness where anyone who raises the slightest objection to anything of a certain faith is immediately and viscously atracked as a racist. It's twenty years where women are beaten, denied education forced into marriage and forced to cover them selves all under the guise of faith. It's 20 years of a so called ENLIGHTENED liberal left DOING NOTHING to stop this.

 

[verminstar]

The left will have an excuse...they always do. In a couple months time, the story will come up again in one the papers they dont like and call it 'fake news' and feel vindicated and justified.

Its political correctness...or rather the fear of it that does this. Yer branded a racist fer so much as mentioning it...reporting it is even worse. The odds are stacked against ye because this is exactly what the establishment wants.

This is obvious when ye hear about the dozen or so civilians executed in egypt because they refused to convert to islam...they gloss over these things because it paints a bad light on the very people they are protecting with political correctness. We dont even have it bad here compared to others, but ye dont hear about the bad that much...because those stories get stifled intentionally ^

 

[Herbrand]

"Hate" is the new buzzword used by the international left to single out their cultural enemies - they are simply trying to limit incidents of "friendly fire" by not using it against their strange muslim bedfellows.

In other news, yesterday the Cheshire Police wrote on their Facebook page that if someone finds your comments offensive you can get ARRESTED. Note: not if you offend or slander someone, if someone finds your comment offensive. Let that sink for a moment.

I have immediately let them know what my opinion about Islam is, and asked them how many offended people they need in order to arrest me.

 

[Batgut]

"It is believed that the incident may have been domestic-related and the offender is known to the victim."

This is probably why no one's jumping to the conclusion of terrorism or hate crime, as that does not appear to be the motivation.

edit: never mind, apparently that's from an almost identical story about the same thing happening somewhere nearby, but with white people.

 

[verminstar]

"Hate" is the new buzzword used by the international left to single out their cultural enemies - they are simply trying to limit incidents of "friendly fire" by not using it against their strange muslim bedfellows.

In other news, yesterday the Cheshire Police wrote on their Facebook page that if someone finds your comments offensive you can get ARRESTED. Note: not if you offend or slander someone, if someone finds your comment offensive. Let that sink for a moment.

I have immediately let them know what my opinion about Islam is, and asked them how many offended people they need in order to arrest me.

That depends on who gets offended and who makes the judgement call...which means its a weapon the lefties can use on anyone they judge not politically correct enough. Last month alone, our webpage has been closed twice due to complaints...takes all of 20 minutes to start up another and its business as usual...its more irksome than majorly disruptive and until the loopholes are closed, I wouldnt worry too much.

Do people actually use their real names on FB? What a strange custom ^

 

[Adept]

Do people actually use their real names on FB? What a strange custom ^

People who don't, automatically lose credibility. Why would I take somebody seriously, when they don't even have the courage to stand by their words?

 

[Becks]

In other news, yesterday the Cheshire Police wrote on their Facebook page that if someone finds your comments offensive you can get ARRESTED. Note: not if you offend or slander someone, if someone finds your comment offensive. Let that sink for a moment.

"... if your message is deemed to have broken the law." not " ... if someone finds your comment offensive."

Breitbart obviously exxagerates again. How surprising.

 

[6xes]

Teacher stabbed by 3 muslim women in london with the usual "allah" nonsense. Police not treating it as terrorism NOR a hate crime....I am seriously amazed the teacher hasn't been arrested for getting her blood on the muslims knives....Can someone please tell me just what the HELL is going on in the UK??

its only another wake-up call.
Perhaps the drums or a bugle is needed? maybe even a TRUMPET!!

 

[Minonian]

Now, by looking around this thread, and in all the rest? I must say this is what you get if you don't remove trolls ASAP when they popping up. One places his legs to the door and all the rest follows.

 

[EISENHORN01]

Now, by looking around this thread, and in all the rest? I must say this is what you get if you don't remove trolls ASAP when they popping up. One places his legs to the door and all the rest follows.[/QUOTE

i couldn't agree more here you are trolling us once again please will a moderator remove him

 

[verminstar]

People who don't, automatically lose credibility. Why would I take somebody seriously, when they don't even have the courage to stand by their words?

Ye mean like we do on a gaming forum?

Theres a very good reason why...so the authorites cant pin stuff on ye because they cant prove it was actually you. The site I follow gives advice on an illegal activity...at least in the UK anyway...to beginners and novices who come looking fer help. Thats because many of us are very experienced at what we do...most of us have been to prison for it more than once and still persist because thats what we believe in.

On average, we used to get shut down twice a year...lately its more often as the authorities attempt to clamp down harder. Their campaign failed decades ago, but they still try their damndest ^

We always use nicknames...always been that way and most likely always will. If ye heard a name like Mr cheese, ye wouldnt think twice but to me, they are the best by far cloners in the UK...nobody even gets close to that guy in terms of success.

 

[Yaffle]

Man that's a big hook in front of me ooooooh loook at the wriggling little fishy YOMP YOMP YOMP, oh crap not again.

its twenty years of wishy washy liberal human rights CRAP. that mean we cannot remove or deport people from this country even if they are deemed a credible threat to its citizens.

Yes we can, and do so frequently. You only see the exceptions because '20 people deported today as per the usual rules' isn't much of headline. Latest numbers I have seen were 40,000 people removed from the UK in 2015.

It's political correctness where anyone who raises the slightest objection to anything of a certain faith is immediately and viscously atracked as a racist.

Not really, it's more that when people behave like bigots it is fine to call them on it.

It's twenty years where women are beaten, denied education forced into marriage and forced to cover them selves all under the guise of faith.

Replace women with LGBT and you can swap another faith in there. Does that make it right? Nope. It's abhorrent and I speak out against it. I have no faith, but I know morally corrupt practices when I see it. Physical and verbal abuse are illegal in the UK, faith is not, and never has been, a defence to crime

It's 20 years of a so called ENLIGHTENED liberal left DOING NOTHING to stop this.

Seriously? In the last 20 years nobody has gone to jail? Has crime fallen or risen? Oh, yeah, fallen. Hugely. Would bringing back the death penalty improve things? (hint, nope as much research shows)
The problem is that a pithy tweet can convey an idea, but the problem is deeper than a meme.

Take the Orlando shooting last week, as I understand, but may be corrected if wrong, it was a while Christian male who shot and killed five people before killing himself. But that's fine, apparently, as it was a work argument and Breitbart supports everyone in the US carrying guns. Nobody is ranting and raving, or saying all Christians should be deported. Breitbart did not want the Pope to condemn it. It was an awful, awful thing for the victims and their families, but they will be forgotten. No national minute of silence. Now, had he been an immigrant, or a Muslim there would be a different headline and spin. In short - treating people differently because of their religion, skin colour is bigoted however you try to dress it up.

The attack described in the OP is awful, wrong, and the assailants deserve whatever punishment is handed down to them. I really feel for the poor victim who I hope makes a full recovery.

 

[lokvette]

Do people actually use their real names on FB? What a strange custom ^

I do, not that I would engage in anything posted on it. Use it for old school mates and family look at it once a day. Oh and lokvette is also my ingame name, not that it matters....

I did find what the Cheshire Police posted pretty much sums up a lot of what is wrong with the UK. Saying that I know live in Sweden but as its not my native country I won't bad mouth its politics I'll leave that to the wife

 

[lysan]

I'm sick and tired of the race card, also sick and tired of people who want to place people in boxes of race.

"your skin is a tone 5 so you need to be in this box"

Look, we're all people, we bleed red blood, we all feel pain, happiness, sadness, anger and hate. Judging people because of how you were "painted" is NOT a valid judgment.

We need to fight THAT, we will never get peace n this world if we constantly attack other people because they look weird, smell weird, or talk a weird languages.

However if someone, no matter how the look tells me I can't do this or that, just because... I will resists. Like "you need to cover your wife because Allah". Well suck on my AR15 buddy!

Or "you can't do this (not harmful) because it's scary" well, I got news for you, you stay on your side of the fence, and I will mind my own business on this side G'Day to you.

PS: I know this is not PC, but I really never was PC, and never will be.

 

[beelbeebub]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40200786

Now officially classed as a "hate crime" as opposed to normal assault or terrorism.

Treating it as terrorism would be an over reaction and also mean putting things like the murder of Jo Cox, the killing of an Eastern European outside a chip shop etc as terrorism rather than a hate crime, which would then essentially put a huge section of crimes (punching a black guy whilst shouting the Nword, or beating somebody up because they're gay) under the terrorism umbrella, which abhorrent as the crimes would be counter productive.

 

[Sunleader]

Teacher stabbed by 3 muslim women in london with the usual "allah" nonsense. Police not treating it as terrorism NOR a hate crime....I am seriously amazed the teacher hasn't been arrested for getting her blood on the muslims knives....Can someone please tell me just what the HELL is going on in the UK??

Actually. Reading through the Articles. This is (As so often) your Imagination and your incredible wish to see Muslims as Evil.
The Police never actually said they are not Investiating it as Hate Crime or Terrorism.

They merely have not yet "Confirmed" it to be a Hate Crime. Because they are not yet sure if the 3 Girls are Personally Related to the Victim.
Its called Professional Handling. If they dont know which it is yet. They cant very well Confirm it to be something.

And its not exactly sure they are Muslim in the First Place.
You might have Forgotten in your little warped world. But Jewish, Christian and Muslim People believe in the very same God. They only have different Prophets.
And Allah. Is merely the word for God usually used in the Arabian World.
Many German Muslims actually call "Allah" as "Gott" which is the German word for "God"
Because its merely a Translation.
Many Muslims are doing what we Christians did in the past as well. And keep their Believe mostly in the Original Language.
For us Christians this is Latin.
If you have heard that in the past. "Deus Vult" is pretty much the Christian Equivalent to "Allahu akbar"

The Jewish and Muslim up to this Day have this common thing about keeping the Believe in the old Language.
You can Thank Martin Luther for it. That the Christians went away from this. As he back then Translated things into German which was adopted pretty fast.
Thus leading to Christians going away from Latin and moving to Local Languages.




I know you would love to just Blame everything on Muslims and call it Terrorism. After all if its a Muslim rather than a Christian who committed the Crime it must be Terrorism for you.
But unfortunately Muslims are also Humans. They also have relations and they also can get into trouble and become normal little Criminals.
Its Impressive how nobody gives a crab about new Trends among Youths. To Set Homeless People Aflame for Fun. To Beat random Stranger on the Street to a Pulp and Film it with an Iphone etc etc.
Is that all Hate Crime as well ?


You guys need to get it into your Head that Muslims are Humans as well. They are neither all innocent nor all terrorists.
They are Humans. So just like us they will have Criminals among them. They will have Lunatics among them.

Its Hilarious how you guys can somehow make the Difference between your own Believes and Criminals. And be very careful to make sure these are not linked together.
While at the same time always considering it Terrorism right away when a Muslim does something.

 

[EISENHORN01]

Yawn

 

[Leper Messiah]

Replace women with LGBT and you can swap another faith in there. Does that make it right? Nope. It's abhorrent and I speak out against it. I have no faith, but I know morally corrupt practices when I see it. Physical and verbal abuse are illegal in the UK, faith is not, and never has been, a defence to crime

Or you can just keep Islam in there now for lack of rights for LGBT (which cracks me up seeing as so many of them seem to have a suicidal support of Islam!).....but I would say that in many legal cases muslims have had their religion used as a defence to crime...well documented cases too.

Actually. Reading through the Articles. This is (As so often) your Imagination and your incredible wish to see Muslims as Evil.
The Police never actually said they are not Investiating it as Hate Crime or Terrorism.

They merely have not yet "Confirmed" it to be a Hate Crime. Because they are not yet sure if the 3 Girls are Personally Related to the Victim.
Its called Professional Handling. If they dont know which it is yet. They cant very well Confirm it to be something.

And its not exactly sure they are Muslim in the First Place.
You might have Forgotten in your little warped world. But Jewish, Christian and Muslim People believe in the very same God. They only have different Prophets.
And Allah. Is merely the word for God usually used in the Arabian World.
Many German Muslims actually call "Allah" as "Gott" which is the German word for "God"
Because its merely a Translation.
Many Muslims are doing what we Christians did in the past as well. And keep their Believe mostly in the Original Language.
For us Christians this is Latin.
If you have heard that in the past. "Deus Vult" is pretty much the Christian Equivalent to "Allahu akbar"

The Jewish and Muslim up to this Day have this common thing about keeping the Believe in the old Language.
You can Thank Martin Luther for it. That the Christians went away from this. As he back then Translated things into German which was adopted pretty fast.
Thus leading to Christians going away from Latin and moving to Local Languages.




I know you would love to just Blame everything on Muslims and call it Terrorism. After all if its a Muslim rather than a Christian who committed the Crime it must be Terrorism for you.
But unfortunately Muslims are also Humans. They also have relations and they also can get into trouble and become normal little Criminals.
Its Impressive how nobody gives a crab about new Trends among Youths. To Set Homeless People Aflame for Fun. To Beat random Stranger on the Street to a Pulp and Film it with an Iphone etc etc.
Is that all Hate Crime as well ?


You guys need to get it into your Head that Muslims are Humans as well. They are neither all innocent nor all terrorists.
They are Humans. So just like us they will have Criminals among them. They will have Lunatics among them.

Its Hilarious how you guys can somehow make the Difference between your own Believes and Criminals. And be very careful to make sure these are not linked together.
While at the same time always considering it Terrorism right away when a Muslim does something.

as "humans" I see nothing wrong with Muslims. It's their "faith" that I have a problem with, and the way others tread on eggshells around it. I am also WELL aware that Allah is just their word for god, but what prey tell is your point on that. Last time I checked there are not that many "christian" or "jews" speaking arabic who would refer to God as Allah who are also attacking people (more likely they are the ones being attacked like those poor Christians recently butchered in Egypt.

I actually agree it wasn't terrorism but I sure as hell think it's a hate crime. But as long as once all the evidence is in the right decision is made I'll be happy, but seeing as someone who daubed pro Islamic graffiti on a war memorial had a reduced sentence and it wasn't regarding as religiously motivated, or when the lad who a girl was let off because he learnt in a muslim school that white girls are trash, or the muslims girls let off for beating up a white girl because they were drunk and not used to it? I have No faith in the legal system to make a good decision.

 

[FuzzySpider]

but I would say that in many legal cases muslims have had their religion used as a defence to crime...well documented cases too.

Please provide the documents then.

Show us once, just one time, where religion has been a defense to a crime. And no, Breitbart and infowars do not count.