General / Off-Topic We are not from East Africa after all?

[Becks]

thermo-dynamically speaking i am correct.....
you are correct also.. in respect of the system you are referring to

It depends. In a isolated system there is no dissipation of energy.

In an open system the entropy would decrease when energy dissipates. I think. I'm not a physicist.

My point, that this is nothing you can opt out from still stands though.

Entropy I think can describe dissipation of energy because the entropy increase, as something cools, describes the spreading out of heat from a highly ordered hot thing into the more disordered, lots of cold things. iirc.

I'm from Gloucester ! (do I win £5 ?)

The other way round. Entropy increases with the heat.

 

[Winterwalker]

The other way round. Entropy increases with the heat.

100% sure? The higher the entropy, the higher the disorder I thought because I seem to remember it being 'the confusing' way around, where cooling down = rising entropy = wha??? (Take your word for it and happy to stand corrected though).

What I want to know is who created the creator's creator!
edit - and did they do it for recreation?

 

[Sunleader]

I cant help myself. Whenever I see Religious Fanatics Discuss something Scientific I remember this Video....

[video=youtube;sVgVB3qsySQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ[/video]

 

[Sir.Tj]

None of this is my fault....

Oh and... 42

 

[Becks]

100% sure? The higher the entropy, the higher the disorder I thought because I seem to remember it being 'the confusing' way around, where cooling down = rising entropy = wha??? (Take your word for it and happy to stand corrected though).

What I want to know is who created the creator's creator!

Cool things are more ordered than hot things.

Solid > Fluid > gaseous

Entropy is zero at -273° C

 

[Winterwalker]

Cool things are more ordered than hot things.

Solid > Fluid > gaseous

Entropy is zero at -273° C

This, and the fact that convetional current I goes in the opposite direction to the actual charge in electric cricuits, ruined my life! (minus = more electrons and a higher potential than plus damn you Faraday)

You're right. [up]

 

[Minonian]

None of this is my fault....

Oh and... 42

zaphod beeblebrox Agrees.

 

[mossfoot]

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov - 1980

The only thing I disagree about this is that it's far from limited to the United States.

 

[Leper Messiah]

And most denialist likes to call the most solidly proven theories like evolution an unproven speculation like you do right now.

It's just an attempt to keep denying and pretending there is nothing at all.

LOL erm no I'm NOT one of them either, just highlighting the fact that science is theory based on things like this that can NEVER be proven without time travel, capiche!! Those who think science is all fact (especially historic) need a reality check. Bear in mind I'm a full on believer in the theory of evolution. But in your defence my post was a bit off the wall because of how I was feeling at the time, more of a "musing" post than anything meaningful!

yeah sorry I'm just laughing at myself for doing a post that made someone think I was a bible/koran/torah bashing creationist loon!

 

[Leper Messiah]

The difference is this: Dogma needs zero proof. Scientific theory only become facts thru physical proofs.

See here: https://ncse.com/library-resource/definitions-fact-theory-law-scientific-work

yeah this is my point actually, but until man get's to time travel we will never get physical proof of mans origins will we?!! There's probably some ancient bones/fossils/whatever lurking in some country just waiting to be discovered (would love it if some have space suits )

 

[Leper Messiah]

Just to throw an interesting take on the "creation" "evolution" discussion.....How do we know some..."thing" that of which we do not understand "seeded" this planet with life is not true? Look at what man can do now with genetic manipulation, we're far from as advanced as we will be in the future (Doctors and scientists just 50 years (or less) in the future will laugh at some of the theories we believe to be correct now). Who's to say an advanced lifeform hasn't done that?!! <<speculate>>

 

[Minonian]

LOL erm no I'm NOT one of them either, just highlighting the fact that science is theory based on things like this that can NEVER be proven without time travel, capiche!! Those who think science is all fact (especially historic) need a reality check. Bear in mind I'm a full on believer in the theory of evolution. But in your defence my post was a bit off the wall because of how I was feeling at the time, more of a "musing" post than anything meaningful!

yeah sorry I'm just laughing at myself for doing a post that made someone think I was a bible/koran/torah bashing creationist loon!

Ok but next time try to talk cleaner so there will be no misunderstanding.

 

[Para Handy]

Just to throw an interesting take on the "creation" "evolution" discussion.....How do we know some..."thing" that of which we do not understand "seeded" this planet with life is not true? .................

Look up panspermia - and no it is not a "naughty word". - (Well maybe it is for creationists. )

 

[Leper Messiah]

Ok but next time try to talk cleaner so there will be no misunderstanding.

Yeah I have bad habit of playing devils advocate so it appears I'm in support of one thing when I'm not!! Also I have too many thoughts and struggle to make sense of some of them at times! What're your thoughts on my theory above?

 

[Leper Messiah]

Look up panspermia - and no it is not a "naughty word". - (Well maybe it is for creationists. )

Fantastic link there MANY thanks! who's to say "god" or whatever didn't fling those asteroids about! LOL <twilight zone music>

edit 40 BILLION goldilocks planets in Milky way alone?!! No way in hell we're the only form of intelligent life!!

 

[Minonian]

Yeah I have bad habit of playing devils advocate so it appears I'm in support of one thing when I'm not!! Also I have too many thoughts and struggle to make sense of some of them at times! What're your thoughts on my theory above?

The devil's avocate means to stand up for someone wrongfully accused.

But they are not wrongfully accused do they?

Just to throw an interesting take on the "creation" "evolution" discussion.....How do we know some..."thing" that of which we do not understand "seeded" this planet with life is not true? Look at what man can do now with genetic manipulation, we're far from as advanced as we will be in the future (Doctors and scientists just 50 years (or less) in the future will laugh at some of the theories we believe to be correct now). Who's to say an advanced lifeform hasn't done that?!! <<speculate>>

Do you meant this one, like life originates from another planet or bough there by aliens? Plausible, but we can't know for sure. And also this is an ages old theory, mentioned in many places and debated by decades.

Again, russel's teapot kind of problematics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

Edit; Also? it's only pushes out the problematics but not resolves the real issue. right? If life is created or bough there by aliens than how they are came to existence? You does not giving an answer to the origins of life question with this theory.

 

[Sunleader]

Just to throw an interesting take on the "creation" "evolution" discussion.....How do we know some..."thing" that of which we do not understand "seeded" this planet with life is not true? Look at what man can do now with genetic manipulation, we're far from as advanced as we will be in the future (Doctors and scientists just 50 years (or less) in the future will laugh at some of the theories we believe to be correct now). Who's to say an advanced lifeform hasn't done that?!! <<speculate>>

Its a long Read.
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20161026-the-secret-of-how-life-on-earth-began

I am sorry to break it to the Believers among us.
But Humanity has long started Challenging Gods Domain

We will See how long it takes before Humanity is able to Reproduce Life from Dead Matter. And thus also become enabled to explain just how Life god Seeded on Earth.


Moreover. We might actually gain some noteworthy hints from it as to where in the Universe we should Expect Life of some sort as well
After all if we can recreate the Conditions and thus know whats needed. We can also start looking for places where these Conditions exist. Thus getting an Idea on where to look for other Life in this Galaxy

 

[Minonian]

If there is / was god before the creation of universe how god came into existence?

Just like that, from the nothing? How that so? he always was? Even when only non existence existed?
How that so?

 

[FuzzySpider]

If there is / was god before the creation of universe how god came into existence?

Just like that, from the nothing? How that so? he always was? Even when only non existence existed?
How that so?

Doesn't work. That argument applies the laws of natural science to metaphysics, when the two fields are logically incompatible.

Religion is here to stay and, when personal beliefs are held on metaphysics and theology, it isn't any more absurd than atheism (which actually does create the problem of infinite regression).

 

[Minonian]

A chickens thoughts cannot comprehend the thoughts of man
Nor can man comprehend the thoughts of a Almighty Eternal God

Yeaah about this nonsense if i captured with my eyes when i was logged out?

Last time i checked we were rather successful to understand things infinitesimally smaller than us. Like quantum psychic, and also? We were successfully understood things infinitely larger than us. so excuse me! But i don't think we cannot understand god if there is one.

Also? A chicken is non sentient. But man is. hence we have the chance to understand things unlike that chicken.