MWSOG: Milky Way Society of Organics and Geology

Welcome and thank your for your awesome list. Keep 'em coming.

Yes that's a very nice start for a new explorer.

Now one thing I notice is that like many of us you are basically getting one volcanic site per body with just a couple of exceptions, and that's not unreasonable, in my early days I was doing the same, but using the enhanced search techniques many of us are using these days I have hit my second body in a row with more than 3 sites, and without spending an unreasonable time searching. Now the question is, are these two bodies similar in some way that makes multiple sites more likely?

Now I have done some considerable research on this and I can pretty much pick out small volcanic bodies from the system map by looking at the available info before scanning, so I can reduce my wasted time in systems by going straight to the volcanic bodies, the question is can we do the same for very active bodies as opposed to ones that may only have one or two sites, and therefore make an informed decision to stay to search more or leave, rather than just thinking, "well I've found one, I'm off!"

Just to add, I see the new Beta is out, however I won't be participating for two reasons. 1) I like exploring and finding stuff, so I take part in beta's that may add exploration goodies and 2) I rarely see fellow commanders even in CG's due to geographical location I guess and since this is supposed to be a stress test for all that sort of networking stuff I am not sure I would contribute anything useful even if I took part. So for you who do decide to take part in the beta, have fun and we'll see you back in the real.....uh, simulated galaxy when it's over!
 
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Yes that's a very nice start for a new explorer.

Now one thing I notice is that like many of us you are basically getting one volcanic site per body with just a couple of exceptions, and that's not unreasonable, in my early days I was doing the same, but using the enhanced search techniques many of us are using these days I have hit my second body in a row with more than 3 sites, and without spending an unreasonable time searching. Now the question is, are these two bodies similar in some way that makes multiple sites more likely?

Now I have done some considerable research on this and I can pretty much pick out small volcanic bodies from the system map by looking at the available info before scanning, so I can reduce my wasted time in systems by going straight to the volcanic bodies, the question is can we do the same for very active bodies as opposed to ones that may only have one or two sites, and therefore make an informed decision to stay to search more or leave, rather than just thinking, "well I've found one, I'm off!"

Just to add, I see the new Beta is out, however I won't be participating for two reasons. 1) I like exploring and finding stuff, so I take part in beta's that may add exploration goodies and 2) I rarely see fellow commanders even in CG's due to geographical location I guess and since this is supposed to be a stress test for all that sort of networking stuff I am not sure I would contribute anything useful even if I took part. So for you who do decide to take part in the beta, have fun and we'll see you back in the real.....uh, simulated galaxy when it's over!

It would be nice to know a way of telling whether a planet/moon has major or minor. I feel like I've haven gotten the same way, in that I can look at the system map and before scanning can pick out what planets are going to have volcanism. Right 90 percent of the time. I feel like after a while you could get to the point where you wouldn't even have to go to the map at all but could just tell by star, and then distance from each object what your best bets are add to the being able to tell major or minor by sight instead of the map, it'd be kind of nice.
 
It would be nice to know a way of telling whether a planet/moon has major or minor. I feel like I've haven gotten the same way, in that I can look at the system map and before scanning can pick out what planets are going to have volcanism. Right 90 percent of the time. I feel like after a while you could get to the point where you wouldn't even have to go to the map at all but could just tell by star, and then distance from each object what your best bets are add to the being able to tell major or minor by sight instead of the map, it'd be kind of nice.

I suspect, but I need data. I can go through my own but more is better. What I suspect is, the key to major and minor vulcanism, and more sites per body, lies with the distance of the moon/planet from it's parent planet/star. Both bodies where I found more than three sites were in very close orbit, with an orbital period of 0.2 and 0.3 days respectively, and both also had major vulcanism. What I suggest is if you can set up a spreadsheet where we can all enter data either as we go or from our records, with the body name, its orbital period and whether it has major or minor vulcansim, possibly the number of sites per body would be useful as well but not of major relevance, but could be useful in the future.

It would make sense really, we can already be fairly sure that small bodies with an orbital period of more than 1.5 to 2 days around a planet, and planets with an orbital period of more than about 3.5 days around a star are not going to be volcanically active (I should point out here that most of my research has been on rocky/metallic bodies), the volcanism on small bodies is caused by tidal and gravitational stress, so the closer the orbit the more vulcanism we should find. Also if possible we should try and limit the data to bodies under 1000km in radius, have another column for body radius so people can enter larger bodies as well, it can't hurt and then we have a way of separating out the small and larger body data, and also a column for whether it is a rocky/metalic body or an icy body, I am not sure if there is any difference, we may find differences when we look at the collected data.
 
Ok lets throw a sample table together
BodyVtradiusOp daysBtNs
Rosette Sector EL-Y d15 2 AMajor6660.4Rocky1
Rosette Sector EL-Y d15 2 Bmajor6610.4Rocky?
Rosette Sector HM-V c2-32 C 1 AMajor6000.3Rocky4
Rosette Sector GB-X c1-9 3 C AMajor4250.3Rocky5

Vt = Volcanic type - we don't really need any more info than that for this research, that's already stored in our man spreadsheet anyway
Op days = Orbital period in days - this is available from the system map before a detailed scan
Bt = Body type - we probably only need 3 types, Rocky for rocky/icy, metallic for metallic/rocky and just plain Icy.
Ns = Number of sites - of vulcanism, not sure whether we should count bio sites here as well or use a separate column, thoughts on this anyone. I am thinking Bios sites actually replace a volcanic site so maybe we should count them as one figure which would make 2 B above 1 instead of a question mark.

So as you can see so far it's a 100% return for very short orbital period bodies and major vulcanism!

Now Rosette Sector EL-Y d15 2 B is where we have the cones in Rosette sector, I am currently in that system exploring the other bodies starting with 2 A, my very first glide pass revealed a field of geysers so it's looking good for the many sites possibility as well!

Now that's the chart I suggest we use, if we have it on google docs everyone can enter data and we should get a really good sample that will either provide evidence for it being correct or refute it altogether!
 
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Ok lets throw a sample table together
BodyVtradiusOp daysBtNs
Rosette Sector EL-Y d15 2 AMajor6660.4Rocky1
Rosette Sector EL-Y d15 2 Bmajor6610.4Rocky?
Rosette Sector HM-V c2-32 C 1 AMajor6000.3Rocky4
Rosette Sector GB-X c1-9 3 C AMajor4250.3Rocky5

Vt = Volcanic type - we don't really need any more info than that for this research, that's already stored in our man spreadsheet anyway
Op days = Orbital period in days - this is available from the system map before a detailed scan
Bt = Body type - we probably only need 3 types, Rocky for rocky/icy, metallic for metallic/rocky and just plain Icy.
Ns = Number of sites - of vulcanism, not sure whether we should count bio sites here as well or use a separate column, thoughts on this anyone. I am thinking Bios sites actually replace a volcanic site so maybe we should count them as one figure which would make 2 B above 1 instead of a question mark.

So as you can see so far it's a 100% return for very short orbital period bodies and major vulcanism!

Now Rosette Sector EL-Y d15 2 B is where we have the cones in Rosette sector, I am currently in that system exploring the other bodies starting with 2 A, my very first glide pass revealed a field of geysers so it's looking good for the many sites possibility as well!

Now that's the chart I suggest we use, if we have it on google docs everyone can enter data and we should get a really good sample that will either provide evidence for it being correct or refute it altogether!

Liking that. Are you thinking of just having it be an add on to the columns we already have? Or are you wanting a whole new sheet. To me it seems easier to just at those last 5 columns right before the materials part.
 
Liking that. Are you thinking of just having it be an add on to the columns we already have? Or are you wanting a whole new sheet. To me it seems easier to just at those last 5 columns right before the materials part.

We could do that, but I was thinking I don't want to discourage new vulcanism hunters and data gatherers by making the reporting requirements to high, this extra data should be an optional reporting section, with the key data being, body/star location, lat/long and vulcanism type if you see what I mean.

In other news my search of 2 A has paid off with another site of fungal cones :D

And back to add another volcanic site, this one was a big surprise, didn't even need to go anywhere in SC, just flew up this long shallow valley on a hunch and few minutes later there is was. In fact it's so close there's only 3% separation in latitude and 5% separation in longitude, you could walk there on foot in about ten minutes. I have never come across two sites so close together.

Back again for another update, I have found a second site of Fungal cones on 2 A, I wonder if the cones are associated with a nearby volcanic site like the last one, I am going to check the general area thoroughly!
 
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Maybe this could help:

Using data from my last expedition ( I scanned 1054 landable bodies - 384 RB, 138 HMC, 476 I, 50 MR, 6 RI ) I made some research about volcanism and orbital period:

Orbital Period (D):
From 0.2 to 1.0 - (95 bodies) all bodies have volcanism. (67-major, 25-"none", 3-minor)
From 1.0 to 2.0 (96) - 83 bodies have volcanism, 13 not. (47-major, 9-"none", 27-minor)
From 2.0 to 3.0 (78) - 46 volcanism, 32 not. (14-major, 23-"none", 9-minor)
From 3.0 to 4.0 (61) - 23 volcanism, 38 not. (13-major, 0-"none", 10-minor)
More than 4.0 (724) - 61 volcanism, 663 not !!!!! (22-major, 12-"none", 27-minor)

---------All bodies with OrbitalPeriod <= 1.4 D (142) have volcanism !!! ---------------

I usually use this pattern to find volcanic planet/moon:
- 1-2 bodies close to parent body,
- moons of the moons,
- binar bodies.

Here I made example of good and bad sets of bodies for volcanism (sry for terrible quality). It is not 100% accurate but could be very helpful:
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Water Geysers
Avanty 1 A
Coordinates : 18.67 | 4.28

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Water Geysers
Avanty 1 B
Coordinates : -18.20 | -108.79

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Silicate Vapour Geyser
California Sector HR-W d1-28 2
Coordinates : Ford Research Laboratory
Warning : 2.17G

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Not "deep space"&cie, but i don't find this site in the topic.

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Any Tips and Tricks for geyser/fumarole hunt?
I try a lot to find geyser/fumarole, but almost each time i fail at finding these thing (an yes, planetary map/info tell me "have volcanism").
 
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Silicate Vapour Geyser
California Sector HR-W d1-28 2
Coordinates : Ford Research Laboratory
Warning : 2.17G


Not "deep space"&cie, but i don't find this site in the topic.

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Any Tips and Tricks for geyser/fumarole hunt?
I try a lot to find geyser/fumarole, but almost each time i fail at finding these thing (an yes, planetary map/info tell me "have volcanism").

Interesting. Don't think I've seen a site so close to a base before.
 
As CMDR Baton mentioned I found some new sites of Cone Fungus and Brain Trees:

System: Synuefe XO-P c22-17 D 3 -31.25 : -14.51
Brain Trees
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System: HIP 23759 8 d a -11.67 : 139.71
Cone Fungus
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System: Synuefe WL-J d10-51 A 5 e a 17.42 : -162.91
Brain Trees
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System: Synuefe WL-J d10-51 A 5 e a -53.73 : 89.26
Brain Trees
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System: Synuefe MF-O a88-4 A 2 a -8.13 : 174,71
Brain Trees
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System: Synuefe MF-O a88-4 A 2 a 22.74 : -147.27
Brain Trees
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System: Synuefe MF-O a88-4 B 1 -29.45 : -116.26
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Smootoe DL-Y e1 A 9 a a
Major silicate vapour geysers
Coordinates: 23.0571, -153.0634

Planetary body information:
Rocky Body, None, Landable
Earth Masses: 0.0003
Body Radius: 468.49km
Surface Temp: 483K
Gravity: 0.1g
Volcanism: Major Silicate Vapour Geysers Volcanism
Distance from Arrival Point 2,141.4ls
Orbital Period: 0.2 days
Semi Major Axis: 4,010.5km
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.000°
Orbital Inclination: -13.470°
Arg Of Periapsis: 276.933°
Rotation Period: 0.2 days
Tidally locked

Materials:
Sulphur (S) Very Common 21.4%
Iron (Fe) Very Common 19.1%
Carbon (C) Very Common 18.0%
Nickel (Ni) Very Common 14.4%
Phosphorus (P) Very Common 11.5%
Zinc (Zn) Common 5.2%
Vanadium (V) Common 4.7%
Selenium (Se) Common 3.4%
Tungsten (W) Rare 1.0%
Mercury (Hg) Rare 0.8%
Polonium (Po) Very Rare 0.4%
Estimated value: 933


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Smootoe TS-B c16-0 A 2 A
Major water geysers volcanism
Coordinates: 6.4069, -16.1489

Planetary information:
Smootoe TS-B c16-0 A 2 a

Icy Body, None, Landable
Earth Masses: 0.0017
Body Radius: 1061.24km
Surface Temp: 116K
Gravity: 0.1g
Volcanism: Major Water Geysers Volcanism
Distance from Arrival Point 1,627.0ls
Orbital Period: 1.1 days
Semi Major Axis: 209,952.2km
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.000°
Orbital Inclination: -0.012°
Arg Of Periapsis: 82.804°
Rotation Period: 1.1 days
Tidally locked


Materials:
Sulphur (S) Very Common 27.2%
Carbon (C) Very Common 22.9%
Phosphorus (P) Very Common 14.7%
Iron (Fe) Very Common 11.9%
Nickel (Ni) Very Common 9.0%
Chromium (Cr) Common 5.4%
Manganese (Mn) Common 4.9%
Arsenic (As) Common 1.5%
Cadmium (Cd) Rare 0.9%
Niobium (Nb) Rare 0.8%
Ruthenium (Ru) Very Rare 0.7%


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Eufants MI-T d3-13 B 3 A
Major metallic magma volcanism
Coordinates: 2.9131, 170.2675

Planetary body data:
Eufants MI-T d3-13 B 3 a


Metal Rich Body, None, Landable
Earth Masses: 0.0001
Body Radius: 211.29km
Surface Temp: 1,075K
Gravity: 0.1g
Volcanism: Major Metallic Magma Volcanism
Distance from Arrival Point 1,101.8ls
Orbital Period: 1.1 days
Semi Major Axis: 8,784.9km
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.000°
Orbital Inclination: 26.577°
Arg Of Periapsis: 3.534°
Rotation Period: 1.1 days
Tidally locked


Materials:
Iron (Fe) Very Common 32.4%
Nickel (Ni) Very Common 24.5%
Chromium (Cr) Common 14.6%
Manganese (Mn) Common 13.4%
Zinc (Zn) Common 8.8%
Niobium (Nb) Rare 2.2%
Tin (Sn) Rare 2.2%
Ruthenium (Ru) Very Rare 2.0%
Estimated value: 12449

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Flyoo Groa WO-Z E2 3 A
Silicate vapour geysers ('major' or 'minor' not specified)
Coordinates: 26.0336, -169.6116

Planetary body data:
Flyoo Groa WO-Z e2 3 a


Metal Rich Body, None, Landable
Earth Masses: 0.0003
Body Radius: 343.90km
Surface Temp: 1,419K
Gravity: 0.1g
Volcanism: Silicate Vapour Geysers Volcanism
Distance from Arrival Point 1,816.9ls
Orbital Period: 0.8 days
Semi Major Axis: 285,332.8km
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.009°
Orbital Inclination: 0.002°
Arg Of Periapsis: 84.159°
Rotation Period: 0.8 days
Tidally locked


Materials:
Iron (Fe) Very Common 33.0%
Nickel (Ni) Very Common 24.9%
Chromium (Cr) Common 14.8%
Manganese (Mn) Common 13.6%
Vanadium (V) Common 8.1%
Tin (Sn) Rare 2.2%
Yttrium (Y) Very Rare 2.0%
Mercury (Hg) Rare 1.4%
Estimated value: 12449

System main star is a blue white supergiant, giving an interesting view

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Hypao Brai ZZ-G B42-1 3 A
Major water geysers volcanism
Coordinates: 10.8971, 92.8333

Planetary body data:
Hypao Brai ZZ-G b42-1 3 a


Icy Body, None, Landable
Earth Masses: 0.0004
Body Radius: 655.39km
Surface Temp: 61K
Gravity: 0.0g
Volcanism: Major Water Geysers Volcanism
Distance from Arrival Point 1,114.3ls
Orbital Period: 1.6 days
Semi Major Axis: 179,256.4km
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.001°
Orbital Inclination: 0.272°
Arg Of Periapsis: 66.424°
Rotation Period: 1.6 days
Tidally locked


Materials:
Sulphur (S) Very Common 27.1%
Carbon (C) Very Common 22.8%
Phosphorus (P) Very Common 14.6%
Iron (Fe) Very Common 12.2%
Nickel (Ni) Very Common 9.2%
Chromium (Cr) Common 5.5%
Zinc (Zn) Common 3.3%
Vanadium (V) Common 3.0%
Tellurium (Te) Very Rare 0.9%
Tin (Sn) Rare 0.7%
Tungsten (W) Rare 0.7%
Estimated value: 933

This site is located within the Door to Heaven nebula, making for a beautiful view.

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Myoideau WE-R E4-1 ABC 6 A
Minor silicate vapour volcanism
Coordinates: 30.8900, -159.3150

Planetary body data:
Myoideau WE-R e4-1 ABC 6 a


Rocky Body, None, Landable
Earth Masses: 0.0006
Body Radius: 587.19km
Surface Temp: 570K
Gravity: 0.1g
Volcanism: Minor Silicate Vapour Geysers Volcanism
Distance from Arrival Point 2,794.9ls
Orbital Period: 1.4 days
Semi Major Axis: 1,081,168.6km
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.000°
Orbital Inclination: -0.008°
Arg Of Periapsis: 181.000°
Rotation Period: 1.4 days
Tidally locked


Materials:
Iron (Fe) Very Common 19.6%
Sulphur (S) Very Common 19.1%
Carbon (C) Very Common 16.1%
Nickel (Ni) Very Common 14.8%
Phosphorus (P) Very Common 10.3%
Chromium (Cr) Common 8.8%
Germanium (Ge) Common 5.7%
Arsenic (As) Common 2.5%
Cadmium (Cd) Rare 1.5%
Mercury (Hg) Rare 0.9%
Technetium (Tc) Very Rare 0.7%
Estimated value: 933

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In the same system, I found another field:

Myoideau WE-R E4-1 ABC 8 D
Major silicate vapour geysers volcanism
Coordinates: 5.6619, 124.2060

Planetary body data:

Myoideau WE-R e4-1 ABC 8 d


High Metal Content Body, None, Landable
Earth Masses: 0.0033
Body Radius: 987.80km
Surface Temp: 419K
Gravity: 0.1g
Volcanism: Major Silicate Vapour Geysers Volcanism
Distance from Arrival Point 4,125.0ls
Orbital Period: 0.5 days
Semi Major Axis: 2,729.8km
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.152°
Orbital Inclination: 4.088°
Arg Of Periapsis: 86.484°
Rotation Period: 0.7 days
Tidally locked


Materials:
Iron (Fe) Very Common 23.9%
Nickel (Ni) Very Common 18.1%
Sulphur (S) Very Common 17.7%
Carbon (C) Very Common 14.9%
Phosphorus (P) Very Common 9.5%
Zinc (Zn) Common 6.5%
Selenium (Se) Common 2.8%
Arsenic (As) Common 2.3%
Molybdenum (Mo) Rare 1.6%
Ruthenium (Ru) Very Rare 1.5%
Tungsten (W) Rare 1.3%
Estimated value: 6670

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Phoi Aescs ZW-E c11-0 B 3
Major water geysers
Coordinates: 23.8871, 67.0860

Planetary body data:
Phoi Aescs ZW-E c11-0 B 3


Rocky Ice Body, None, Landable
Earth Masses: 0.0005
Body Radius: 617.54km
Surface Temp: 235K
Gravity: 0.1g
Volcanism: Major Water Geysers Volcanism
Distance from Arrival Point 361,223.8ls
Orbital Period: 1.5 days
Semi Major Axis: 21,430.8km
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.005°
Orbital Inclination: 9.249°
Arg Of Periapsis: 136.035°
Rotation Period: 1.5 days
Tidally locked


Materials:
Sulphur (S) Very Common 19.4%
Iron (Fe) Very Common 17.6%
Carbon (C) Very Common 16.4%
Nickel (Ni) Very Common 13.3%
Phosphorus (P) Very Common 10.5%
Chromium (Cr) Common 7.9%
Manganese (Mn) Common 7.3%
Vanadium (V) Common 4.3%
Molybdenum (Mo) Rare 1.1%
Tin (Sn) Rare 1.1%
Yttrium (Y) Very Rare 1.1%
Estimated value: 933

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