FDev, you just upset a *lot* of people.

[BigF]

Anyone know if any body has has stuff removed when they didn't cheat. I know its gonna be like prison where nobodies guilty but I cant help thinking there's
gonna be some players who log in to find the message and a bunch of factory standard ship modules and have no clue as to why. Weather they did the Cheat by accident or the search routine is not tight enough to weed out only the 100% exploits.

 

[Mengy]

This is great news, and I support Frontier 1000% in punising the cheaters. Other games would have banned people for this, so they actually got off lightly.

Just about everyone I have talked to is walking away from the game now. This will hurt everyone, including the non-PvP crowd.

You must know a ton of cheaters then. If they leave now then that's a good thing, the game needs less cheaters flying about. Buh-bye!

Wrong. I am going to buy a crapton of paintjobs now to show my support for this action of swift justice.

Honestly, I'm so impressed with Frontier's actions on this that I also might buy a paint job or two. That Dolphin Wayfarer pack has been calling my name....

 

[Soopyyy]

Anyone know if any body has has stuff removed when they didn't cheat. I know its gonna be like prison where nobodies guilty but I cant help thinking there's
gonna be some players who log in to find the message and a bunch of factory standard ship modules and have no clue as to why. Weather they did the Cheat by accident or the search routine is not tight enough to weed out only the 100% exploits.

There are some reports getting around of people who have openly admitted to using the exploit also having their legitimate non-god roll modules removed.

 

[Soothsayer]

No mods on my 'Vette were removed, and it's pretty much fully engineered. I have some really, really solid rolls, too.

From my limited perspective, it seems Frontier has only punished the legit cheaters. Which is a very good thing.

 

[smilbuta]

FDev having a ball right now!!!!
Cheater Salt Farming 4LIFE!!!!

 

[Kaa Mchorror]

If the entire Griefing community up and left tomorrow because of this, then it would hardly be noticed. So any kind of punishment that they dole out for cheating is fine by me.

OK I'm sober so maybe that is the problem. "If the entire griefing community up and left because of this it would hardly be noticed." You are one of the guys that screams loudest about griefers and PvP so your statement makes little sense to me.

On topic: I'm actually pleasantly surprised that FD did anything at all considering they have had the kids gloves on since the beginning regarding exploits. Maybe we are entering a new era of squashing unintended behavior.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

funny how fdev doesn't do anything about combat loggers who break TOS, they get away with it. but if someone does this and they wipe engineered modules that arent even exploited. such hypocrites

Combat logging will likely be punished using the karma system.
It's impossible to tell a network issue or client crash from pulling the plug intentionally.
And remember, use of the menu to exit the game is fine.

That said, I've made a few suggestions on how to "punish" illegal combat loggers. I don't know if FD noticed.

 

[MottiKhan]

Anyone know if any body has has stuff removed when they didn't cheat. I know its gonna be like prison where nobodies guilty but I cant help thinking there's
gonna be some players who log in to find the message and a bunch of factory standard ship modules and have no clue as to why. Weather they did the Cheat by accident or the search routine is not tight enough to weed out only the 100% exploits.

Some might claim innocence, saying that legitimate modules were removed. But take note that those modules matched exploited ones, so if someone lost real ones, it was because they cheated on others. Someone who loses several types of module have cheated several times. Any claim to innocence is just another lie from a cheater.

 

[Soopyyy]

Don't worry, this will hit them in the wallets for sure. They don't do anything about combat loggers. They don't do anything about people who used cheats in open play PvP (I still see people in open I know 100% used to use shield hacks) but people use an exploit to lessen the garbage engineer grind and they finally decide this is the time to take a stand?

Just about everyone I have talked to is walking away from the game now. This will hurt everyone, including the non-PvP crowd.

Enjoy the emptiness of open play because a large portion of the players who frequent open are quitting.

I question the validity of this claim. I am sure some people are upset. But I know a few in SDC and other PVP groups who will wear this on their chin. Most of them expected it and have been waiting for it to happen for some time now. They simply don't care, haven't you noticed that about most of the SDC?

 

[Whitehair]

There are some reports getting around of people who have openly admitted to using the exploit also having their legitimate non-god roll modules removed.

Yes. If a blueprint was exploited, then ALL modules using that blueprint have been removed.

 

[Theodrid]

funny how fdev doesn't do anything about combat loggers who break TOS, they get away with it. but if someone does this and they wipe engineered modules that arent even exploited. such hypocrites

It is a lot of those who cheated that are the hypocrites my friend, and by the way you do know how hard it is for Frontier to monitor and differentiate combat logging from disconnects and the like on a peer to peer network right?

Don't get me wrong if they can tell in certain circumstances that people are combat logging/repeatedly combat logging then I'm all for punishments for them, but this was lower hanging fruit that was easier to detect and arguably much more detrimental to the game as a whole.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

According to the work of Cressy there are THREE things you need - the opportunity, the motivation and the ability to rationalise it to yourself as not being 'wrong'. You forget every cheater has managed to convince themselves that what they are doing is not wrong.

What about simpler things - like not yawning when people around you yawn?
It's long been accepted as an indicator of sociopathic behavior - that lack of empathy that triggers a sympathy yawn.. those are simply not wired right may not need any of these.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

There are some reports getting around of people who have openly admitted to using the exploit also having their legitimate non-god roll modules removed.

if you have 5 dirty drives but only 1 is god rolled you lose all 5 Dirty drives.

if you had 2 clean drives NOT god rolled you get to keep them.. is my understanding.

 

[Kaybe]

So they just un-engineered modules from known cheaters who were aware what they were doing was an exploit and chose to do it anyway?

Subject line should be changed to "FDev, you just made a whole lot of people happy" for not being banned instead, like in every other online game I've played. I don't see why they'd be upset for getting off light.

 

[Soopyyy]

Yes. If a blueprint was exploited, then ALL modules using that blueprint have been removed.

Yeah, sounds about right. Nobody I know is overly bothered by this, it's just an observation.

 

[Madouc]

From what I'm gathering so far, the manner in which you've conducted your exploit punishment have been nothing less than extremely clumsy. Instead of only removing the rolls which were exploited, you've also elected to remove anything that might have been a legitimate roll. What you're literally telling us is "We know you cheated, but since we can't tell which module you cheated to upgrade, we're taking this sledgehammer to everything we think might have been exploited." I'm seeing a lot of people having lost their legitimately upgraded modules... and some performed the exploit once out of curiosity.

You're losing players pulling this stuff, guys. It's bad enough you guys took said sledgehammer to anything that looked suspicious, but according to reddit posts some people still have their exploited modules.

I'm really glad I didn't let my curiosity get the better of me... I probably would have had my FAS wiped from existence if I had from ONE module.

[EDIT] Since some people would rather not actually read the thread and see that I attempted to clarify, I might as well add this in. I jumped the gun and posted this believing that any roll viewed as "suspect" would be targeted. I didn't spend a month dedicated to engineering my FAS in all aspects to have it dedicated over a false positive, you know. But obviously as more information has come out it seems FDev have a way of actually tracking these things, so... I tried admitting to the mistake, but nobody's actually READING the thread.

Y'all really like to resort to immediate derision and vitriol to any opinion you don't like though, do you? What a nice bunch you are.

After 1,300 hours of Elite playtime, I finally registered here on the forum to make this post:

Them cheaters deserved it! If I were in charge I would have deleted their complete save, and set them back into the Sidewinder with 2,000 Cr cash. And this only because i think that a permanent ban would be a tiny bit to harsh.

 

[CMDR Carbo]

According to the work of Cressy there are THREE things you need - the opportunity, the motivation and the ability to rationalise it to yourself as not being 'wrong'. You forget every cheater has managed to convince themselves that what they are doing is not wrong.

See, I disagree with Cressy on this one.
There are plenty of people that clearly know what they are doing is 'wrong' but they do it anyway.

The opportunity and the motivation are the main things.

 

[CMDR CPT. Boris]

Can someone clarify something to me (i'm sorry i can't read all the 34 pages as i'm supposed to work and i did not check my modules, for the same reason)

I never did the g1 to g5 trick, i have a total of 14 g5 rolls (all types of modules)

Does this mean i can lose g5 rolls on the assumption that i cheated ?
Or FD knows exactly who cheated and they got heavily punished ?

I mean i would be upset if they take my rolls because i did not cheat
If not, then i'm satisfied

thanks

 

[Soopyyy]

if you have 5 dirty drives but only 1 is god rolled you lose all 5 Dirty drives.

if you had 2 clean drives NOT god rolled you get to keep them.. is my understanding.

The problem with that approach is, God rolls are completely possible. Just very unlikely. So I wonder how many people have been affected when they shouldn't have been?

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

...
The fact the God modules are possible is a far bigger problem in my eyes.

Quoted for truth, but today we feast and celebrate cheaters' lamentations.