Eh, no.
Finding an exploit won't get anyone banned. Using and abusing one will.
Eh, no.
Finding an exploit won't get anyone banned. Using and abusing one will.
You know you can get in your car and speed every day, you will rarely get caught. But just because the police don't stop every speeding car doesn't mean they have lost control of the roads.
Enforcement is about making examples, so that next time you think twice about speeding. Eventually people realise it isn't the job of the police to catch speeders but it is the responsibility of every road user to drive within the law.
There will of course still be idiots who break the law, but just because you see them doing it doesn't mean you join them, instead you let them go by and when they crash and burn you keep on going.
Be the keeper of your own self respect and morality and when you hear about an exploit or bug just don't do it.
#nosympathyforwhinycheaters
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They are all cheaters, their excuses are feeble and they should be lucky to have access to the game at all. And the 'cheaters are just concerned about not being able to play fairly' ending of your post is hilarious. Love it!
I personally think FDEV is being nice to these cheaters. I would have at the very least wiped all engineer mods for them, or even wiped their saves. TBH, if you cheated, then tough s***, you took advantage of an exploit and deserve punishment for it.
People who reported it have also gotten their stuff stripped.
It's interesting that the standard chorus is attacking this, not your post trekari, more the standard fare of what to expect from sleutel and co. There's no doubt something needed to happen, I thought I said that pretty plainly, I just fear that this has proven impotence moreso than strength on FD's part. Do you guys not see what this exposes? I guess you can make it a black and white fully polarized murderhobocheater vs. carebear thing if you really need to. Wasn't intended for that direction but we know how the forums usually work.
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I could be misinterpreting, but what you're saying seems to distil down to two points: That Frontier should have been even more lenient with players who cheated less often than some other players, and that taking action to resolve an exploit harms their credibility because other exploits exist.
Both points seem ludicrous to me. To say nothing of the notion that removing mods without any additional punitive measures constitutes a show of force, or that cheaters are going to leave the game because they find it insufficiently fair.
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Sure thing mate. "I just saw a video of this cheat, showing how it works, which got responded to by hundreds of people. So I had to test it myself, to help others, for science!" [haha] Its not 'impotence' by FD, and personal attacks dont constitute an argument. You cheat, you lose your crap. Even if 'you only cheated a little bit', or 'you cheated for the greater good' or 'you realised the errors of your ways'. In something as pointless as a computer game, noone has an excuse for cheating.
You'll also note that this is the overwhelming response to this: people are tired of petty, useless, non-contributing, cheating losers in a community and are glad when they are dealt with. Its not 'the standard chorus', its the response of every decent human being responding to crappy behavior most of us learned not to do when we were five years old. Some dont, so they need a few more lessons. They dont get it, so they whine about it. Free additional lesson: most of us dont care.
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Oh good grief. Who's arguing that a reaction wasn't needed? This was a big deal, of course they had to react. My point: FD let this sit for so long, with correspondence with the people reporting and using it, without any warnings to those individuals, it became so omnipresent that people felt pushed into it. I'm not talking about personal worth, that's an exercise in futility when so many seem to only identify with white knights. To deny this is a much needed and unfortunate lesson for FD in managing the growth of cancers seems like faulty logic.
I actually believe people who abused this should have their accounts wiped. FDev did nothing to address the profits which were made while flying with exploited modules - all they did was strip the cheated parts away. There's still no incentive to not cheat if all that's going to happen is you lose your cheated stuff, but keep all the other rewards you gained through them.
Sounds like another bad excuse to me. I can say for certain that I never felt even slightly inclined to cheat, not even for a second.
FD's only mistake was not fixing the exploit earlier. There is no excuse for cheating, ever, regardless of how long it takes to fix something. Their punishment was practically a slap on the wrist compared to other online games, and IMO the cheaters should be thanking FD that they can still log into their accounts. Anywhere else, and they'd most likely be banned right now.
It's 7:23am here and I haven't slept yet so my brain is yelling at me to point out that AHK (or A.H.K. whatever) is not an acronym.
They're just intials. Acronyms are initials that make a pronounceable word such as L.A.S.E.R or R.A.D.A.R.
(Talks to brain... 'There I've told him, now let me sleep')
AHK is a TLA.It's 7:23am here and I haven't slept yet so my brain is yelling at me to point out that AHK (or A.H.K. whatever) is not an acronym.
They're just intials. Acronyms are initials that make a pronounceable word such as L.A.S.E.R or R.A.D.A.R.
(Talks to brain... 'There I've told him, now let me sleep')
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the point is: who has tried it once at some point he heard about it, to make sure it really works and is therefore an exploit, and reported it directly, without using it on other blueprints, will have lost all modules of one blueprint only.
who tested whether it works, reported it as an exploit, and used it after that point on several blueprints up to all he used, will have lost all.
for testing whether the exploit works, there was no need to test it on a couple of hundred DD rolls, plus your MCs, power distributor, powerplant...
reporting something is no legalisation of breaking the rules. if i see a broken ATM, and i report it (call the police or the bank), i'm not allowed to use the broken ATM to get me some cash.
if somebody cheats in a game, and i report it to the referee, I'm not allowed to cheat the same.
also, if you don't know whether it works, you'd most probably test it with a G5 roll which you don't intend to do.
it might be, that there is a rare case of someone having tested it once with one module, reported it, and now has lost all of his thermal modded shieldgenerators, and complains about it. this guy would get my sympathy. i haven't seen such a post. but i actually do not think this guy would complain, as he would be very relieved that the exploit and gains from it are gone fom the game (which is why he reported it, right?), while he has only to mod a new shieldgenerator.
The only reason they quit is because they didn´t want to play the game within the ruleset. It´s like using doping in sports. Those guys will never win in a fair competition. It´s good to see them go. Hopefully they all got flagged as cheater, and when they come back they can be identified in no time.
No, people werent pushed. Just more weak-minded excuses by people who cant even take responsibility for their own actions in a game.
You dont need to 'warn' people.
Really? Rolling 100s of G1/G5 , on 10s of modules is classed as that?
Keeping it between youself and your cronies for weeks(months) is classed as that?
You are talking nonsense.
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Yes and amen. I'd like to think that a majority of players, if they had heard about these hacks/exploits (as I did), would quickly decide that they were hacks and not legitimate actions and steer well clear of them.
"I had to cheat to keep up with all the cheaters!" just makes me laugh, as does "Frontier can't handle their own game!" Borking and exploiting code is not "playing the game" - it's "metagame" poop.
If it was me, I'd chop off their "joystick."
Yea, sure, that's how such things are handled. You report a bug, glitch, exploit or whatnot - it gets fixed. Not really rocket science.
No people who got their stuff stripped are now claiming they reported it in an attempt to paint themselves as being hard done by. Cheating is dishonest, dishonest people lie why give this excuse any credence at all.