Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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i dont think its another galaxy, i think its our galaxy only showing 2 spirals of SOMETHING. I watched iso's stream and played it back a few times in slowmotion and when a scav elevated and flew through the hologram it revealed other /systems which where un visable as it passed through. im pretty sure its our galaxy

It could be a map of their territory. We use bubbles, they use spirals?
 
i dont think its another galaxy, i think its our galaxy only showing 2 spirals of SOMETHING. I watched iso's stream and played it back a few times in slowmotion and when a scav elevated and flew through the hologram it revealed other /systems which where un visable as it passed through. im pretty sure its our galaxy

Well I agree that it could still be our own galaxy. It's not meant to be an exact representation of all spiral arms and it's irregular extensions but it rather only shows the 2 main arms which originate from the galactic centre, which is the Perseus Arm and the Scutum-Centaurus Arm.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Milky_Way_Arms_ssc2008-10.svg
 
So you're saying that if you don't follow the established verified method to find UP then you don't get them and that is FD's fault :O. Anyway - glad the RNG got you one in the end [up]

I tried this (resetting the rng by moving away) after following the "verified method" for an hour without success.
 
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So.. the star map may be another galaxy, one with two spiral arms...

How crazy would it be if this thargoid plotline (years away) ends up at Raxxla and a portal to another galaxy :O
 
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So had a go at the active Thargoid site and after seeing Lave Radio's mishap, I am so glad I didn't mess about with the platforms! I admit though, it was a rather spectacular light show to watch. One thing that did happen besides the less dramatic light show was the Thargoid ship showed up after I activated the device and went outside. Just scanned me and flew off. Is this happening with groups of CMDRs as well? Or does the ship only scan those who activated the device?
 
https://youtu.be/kFOq1jxVYkc?t=5m50s

Watch it from 5m50s

Thank you to the Commanders doing this!

I think this is concrete evidence that the Thargoids are hostile to the Gaurdians.

EDIT: Is it possible to record the ambient sounds while the base is openly hostile? It could reveal a picture.

rT0Qxgs.jpg
 
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So had a go at the active Thargoid site and after seeing Lave Radio's mishap, I am so glad I didn't mess about with the platforms! I admit though, it was a rather spectacular light show to watch. One thing that did happen besides the less dramatic light show was the Thargoid ship showed up after I activated the device and went outside. Just scanned me and flew off. Is this happening with groups of CMDRs as well? Or does the ship only scan those who activated the device?

I didn't get scanned after activating the device.
Maybe I just didn't stick around long enough.
 
i dont think its another galaxy, i think its our galaxy only showing 2 spirals of SOMETHING. I watched iso's stream and played it back a few times in slowmotion and when a scav elevated and flew through the hologram it revealed other /systems which where un visable as it passed through. im pretty sure its our galaxy

Agreed, I reckon each point is a key point (from the Thargoid perspective) within our own galaxy. What and why . . . who knows, yet?
 
I didn't get scanned after activating the device.
Maybe I just didn't stick around long enough.

It happened the moment I went outside. Had the usual power failure when Thargoids show up (with a UA and UP in the hold, casually eating away at vital systems as I try to rush back to my ship).
 
i've been 10+ pages behind all day! Need to calm down a bit guys!
I can't see the logic of UA (- - |) + UL (- | -) = UP (- | |)
physically combining a UA and a UL would not give a UP.
So it is not simple boolean algebra here. Going by the UP sonogram ("the key") I suspect it is ordinal numbering
--1 = UA
-1- = UL
-11 = UP
and
1-- = another Unknown commodity
And I think that UP sonogram is intended to indicate to us what each of those devices does:
UA reports a system name (& any ships it detects)
UP senses a planet
UL transponds a data stream
possibly the final Unknown device reports on specific items on a planet surface.
since I think this key is intended for us (or any intelligent species that can interpret it) then I think this is from the "friendly" Oresrian faction who might welcome friendly contact.

Okay, I know I'm thinking too hard about this, but I find it compelling (it doesn't mean it's right though, I know, but it's fun!)

For me, the logic of combining them - particularly via bitwise XOR boolean logic - is because the way we get unknown links is by passing a UA and UP into the thing in the side chamber, thus manufacturing a UL. That chamber needs the two to make the third one so the three items are already intrinsically linked together - the UL is a product of a UA and a UP - what's not known is what operation is being performed.

So then we have the labelling on the new spectrogram, echoing some of the labelling on the UP spectrogram.

If we interpret the labels as binary with least significant bit on the right, then

UA = 001 = 1, UL = 010 = 2, UP = 011 = 3.

Starting with arithmetic, since we know that we need a UA(1) & UP(3) to produce a UL(2), then we just need to figure out a way to combine 1 & 3 to get 2 - which is easy:

UP - UA = UL because 3-1 = 2.

Also:
UP = UL + UA

But it seems a bit odd to have to subtract in one case, but add in another.


This is where bitwise XOR comes in, which also has the added bonus of not having to assign the bit patterns any particular number either - they're just 001, 010 and 011.

So, as we know, to make a UL you need a UA(001) and UP(011). This is a bitwise XOR:

001 ^ 011 = 010

Which then implies that to make a UP(011) you need a UA and a UL:
001 ^ 010 = 011

And to make a UA you need a UP(011) and a UL:
011 ^ 010 = 001

The new spectrogram clearly suggests that there is a functional relationship between all three, with the UL sitting in the middle (and, not least because it's called a 'link'!) - which is why I'm suggesting that ULs are somehow two halves of the UA and UP joined together - providing the bits that neither shares (and then backed up by the fact that the link appears to react to both when dropped in space) - in order to act as a 'bridge' (or 'link') between them - that is, quite literally a definition of XOR.

I'm not saying there's anywhere we can actually manufacture UAs and UPs, just that the fact we can manufacture ULs from UAs and UPs, and the way they're labelled, suggests they're all a combination built from the same set of two distinct pieces in different combinations.

And this actually leads us to be able to make a prediction about whatever '| - -' is, if we are indeed intended to interpret that also as a labelled 'thing':

Whatever it is, is unique: it doesn't have any parts common to UAs, UPs or ULs - and the Unknown Device would appear to fit that bill.
 
Tbh i tjink the other two pod holes behind the link hole gives (or is suposed to give) uas and ups, having them in your cargo hold just makes the structure "think" you are a thargoid due to their imprint. Maybe justaybe anyways
 
Just getting caught up after work. So much progress in the last 24 hours. With the way it reacts to Guardian tech, this is really starting to feel like we have a Vorlon/Shadows type of thing going on here.

Frontier have really outdone themselves on this one.
 
People shouldnt jump to "tharg vs guard" until it's verified only guardian items cause that reaction. Also I am of the belief the map is probably not of another galaxy but that's just personal opinion about how devs would develop the mystery. I also want to point out there are quite a few "stars" below the 2 arms like they're way above/below the plane. I'd be interested to see an aerial view when the site is rejecting an item. Seems it's pumping something up or down. Can the top open?
 
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