Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

[Jorki Rasalas]

But several people have already said in this thread they have tried other objects and they didn't work. I tried getting an Orb+Casket to get lodged in the machine, they didn't take. I then plugged in the UP+UL+UA in as per the norm and then scanned the central pillar with the Orb+Casket in my SRV - still nothing, except the ussual galactic light show.

Only thing that took was the Relics.

So far, it seems only 2 or 3 Relics in place of the UL+UP+UA will trigger the angry emo consciousness of the machine spirit - only using one (in my experiment at least - though it may have been bugged by that point) and then activating the pillar just ejected the sole Relic without any consequences.

Yes, various people have been testing with other combinaitons, as have you, since you made that statement; that testing is good, but when you made that statement the testing hadn't started so it was incorrect - an assertion without supporting evidence. No hate or salt intended, just defence of the scientific method.
Science = Theory+Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

 

[DustyArne]

Anarchy faction, Industrial Economy, No state, Pending Expansion, Recovering from Retreat. 290LY away. If you know me, you know where I sold it

So, you took Alien artifact, stole it, brought it to a human base, and sold it?

Are you MAD sir? You might as well put a huge neonlight board on the human bubble that says: "we are here, kill us now!"


What were you thinking?!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

My favourite pet theory is that the known flower ships are Osresrians, and their ships are harvesting meta alloy material as a defence against a Klaxian attack. It would explain how they were able to find the war aftermaths that we've seen, why they look to be harvesting barnacles, why they haven't attacked us yet...we'll somehow ally ourselves with them and use their developed tech to fight off a Klaxian invasion.

When the flowerships (Thargons according to Sandro in Lavecon video?) visit the barnacles they do not upload the MA, the MA pods can be seen remaining on the ground/spikes after the event.

Something that comes to mind.... Why the hell woud the unknown device accept relics? I mean if it doesn't accept anything else differetn from UA UP UL, why the hell does it accept the relic... It must be of a similar technology or giving off similar signal/radiation/etc. There might be a connection between targoid technology and that relic...

This good thinking

 

[Jmanis]

ARRRR!

I jumped out of supercruise to test out something with the UP/UA/UL. Dropped the UP first (stupidly). As it starts to jet, *fsd pop*. Elite Clipper (same one as before)

"Give me 366,000 CR worth of cargo if you want to live!"
*UP pops out*
"This will do nicely"
Me: NONONONONONONONONONONO! (hit throttle, open cargo, get back to UP)
*pirate gets there first, warps off*

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...
...
ARRRRRR!

So, you took Alien artifact, stole it, brought it to a human base, and sold it?

Are you MAD sir? You might as well put a huge neonlight board on the human bubble that says: "we are here, kill us now!"


What were you thinking?!

You clearly don't know me (looks for DNA-Decay's poster... ah... here it is! )

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Note that the Scavengers do spit corrosive stuff if you attack them (I accidentially fired on one when i wanted to scan ... oooops. Takes about 1% SRV hull per hit by corrosive damage). Can anyone check whether those "spits" produce an effect similar to the "bullet marks"?
EDIT: Just saw that the Scavengers attack like this in the " off" video on front page, but that there seem to be no traces left (at that stage?).

By the way, I got scanned by a Scavenger with a yellow beam when I drove around outside on the "wreck".

Oh and side note: "Science" should be "Hypothesis + Experient", not "Theory", should it ... you first have to reach certain conclusions for a theory.

Science is theory PLUS experiment, they are mutually supporting, a hypothesis becomes part of a theory if the experiment produces supporting evidence, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I guess the ship clipping through?

Ah, on my ipad I couldn't decide if that was the nose of a ship or something hanging on the wall

 

[Aekzo]

The stars of the Unknown Device's galactic map seems to be only bright blue and bright yellow (right? Those usually being in the inner side of the big enough arms), I wonder if they really match the game galaxy's O B A F (G) class stars - they seems to like the big and powerful stars like the ones in the Pleiades?

 

[LordZoltan]

In any case, the Thargoid thing seems to know about the Guardians, so there obviously is a link between the two.

Yo,
[noob]

I think it's reasonable, since some Guardian stuff fits in the device (even if the reaction is then very angry - or possibly just that it malfunctions), to infer that Guardian stuff and Thargoid/Unknown stuff shares something in common - especially since we have growing evidence (but not conclusive proof) that that's all it accepts. We'd need to go through all other cargo items to be absolutely sure.

But we have the hints of a pattern - Unknown things are obviously accepted; as are Guardian things. Based on that hypothesis, the next things i why or how.

The simplest explanation would be that the two techs are related, either in the form of progenitor/offspring, creator/creation or siblings. Friends or enemies isn't important.

Now, physically, the two tech styles and architectural (or whatever) styles are poles apart - which is a factor against that idea, but is there any evidence, however sparse, that could support it?


The one thing I can think of is that Thargoids/Flower Ships/UAs et al are all clearly very advanced, and it's reasonable (albeit not a given) to think that that level of advancement has taken a long time to achieve. Perhaps long enough even for them to have been around before the Guardians did their disappearing act.

Or

Perhaps their tech is derived from Guardian tech because they stole it, as we no doubt would given the chance.



Again - nothing concrete, just trying to flesh out the ideas and provide supporting/contrary reasoning. And I started writing this an hour ago and there's no doubt been another 50 posts since then, one of which probably already disproves some or all of this!

 

[Ozric]

That seems like bull considering that it only accepts the UA, UP and the UL on the 3 parts. and only them

EDIT:I stand corrected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AZe8AzA7jM&feature=youtu.be <CHECK THIS **** OUT!

Some things never change eh?

Also you should really try reading the posts above you before you keep reposting the same links.

 

[Ozric]

I think it's reasonable, since some Guardian stuff fits in the device (even if the reaction is then very angry - or possibly just that it malfunctions), to infer that Guardian stuff and Thargoid/Unknown stuff shares something in common - especially since we have growing evidence (but not conclusive proof) that that's all it accepts. We'd need to go through all other cargo items to be absolutely sure.

But we have the hints of a pattern - Unknown things are obviously accepted; as are Guardian things. Based on that hypothesis, the next things i why or how.

The simplest explanation would be that the two techs are related, either in the form of progenitor/offspring, creator/creation or siblings. Friends or enemies isn't important.

Now, physically, the two tech styles and architectural (or whatever) styles are poles apart - which is a factor against that idea, but is there any evidence, however sparse, that could support it?


The one thing I can think of is that Thargoids/Flower Ships/UAs et al are all clearly very advanced, and it's reasonable (albeit not a given) to think that that level of advancement has taken a long time to achieve. Perhaps long enough even for them to have been around before the Guardians did their disappearing act.

Or

Perhaps their tech is derived from Guardian tech because they stole it, as we no doubt would given the chance.



Again - nothing concrete, just trying to flesh out the ideas and provide supporting/contrary reasoning. And I started writing this an hour ago and there's no doubt been another 50 posts since then, one of which probably already disproves some or all of this!

It's so good to be reading your posts like this again

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Just tried that! Dropped an Ancient Relic in front of one - completely nonplussed (i.e. no reaction). Wonder what they scavenge?

Also successfully obtained the UL withouta UA/UP on board (just an Ancient Relic), can anyone confirm? ( I dropped the UA at the entrance to the UL area so it may still have been 'in range'.

Also just noticed I accidentally picked up the UL rather than the UP last night, so I guess I get to check out the UP acquisition strategies more soon than I had hoped

Looks from the vids like they just scavenge the green damaged areas on the hull then squirt something over the eggs. Hence my hypothesis that they are neutralising the mycoid damage and repairing the hull.

 

[Kaltern]

Can I just make a short appeal.

Please stop stealing all the UP's.

There appears to be a galaxy-wide shortage of UP's, presumably the alien factories can't make them fast enough as every commander and his dog seems to be trying to get them all.

(I can't make the damn thing spawn, after HOURS ..... BZZZT

One just spawned as I was typing this. Karma. It finds us all, eventually...)

 

[ape808]

Forgot to mention, for those who have been struggling to get a UP or need to know a decent way to get one.

I did manage to get a UP within minutes at Pleiades Sector KC-U B3-1 8. The method used was to repeatedly enter and leave the planet's sphere of influence (where the bottom left panel changes between the planet's name and "deep space"), and sitting for a few minutes inside it until a USS spawned.

I think this particular planet is so good for UPs because its SOI is so small, so the possible spawn area is smaller.

For example, HIP 20785's ammonia world has a massive SOI - about 65ls, but KC-U B3-1 8 has an SOI of only 3.5ls. So I'd recommend going for the smallest ammonia world you can find to try to search for UPs. As we know, entering and leaving the SOI resets the RNG of the USS spawns. You don't even have to do any orbits of the planet, you can simply throttle down in supercruise and sit there waiting for the USSs to come to you. Eventually you'll get that Degraded Emissions Threat 2.

I got mine in a similar way: didn't even need to cruise. I left my ship floating at 30 m/s slightly inside its SOI, got to have a coffee while keeping an eye to the nav panel, and an USS spawned eventually in few minutes...

Can confirm that this was the method that worked for me yesterday. I am now assuming that leaving the planet's sphere of influence resets the RNG roll.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Ok, I'm a bit confused.... that happens...

Anyway - The ancient sites revealed details about the Guardians… here are some important extracts.

“This led to a surge in weapons development, with biological warfare quickly established as the weapon of choice. An arms race began, focused on the development of biological agents and various counter measures”
“Warfare was conducted using automated battle fleets. At first these were controlled by the Guardians via brain implants, but later they became entirely autonomous. In the early stages of the war the Guardians fought each other directly, but within a decade - and after much loss of life - most of the fighting was conducted remotely. Soldiers were deployed only to occupy areas that had been captured by autonomous or remote vehicles, and eventually were not used at all.” [where is it]
“As well as biological warfare agents, they also created creatures expressly for use in battle, and these remained effective even into the modern era.”

What I draw from this is that the Ancient sites are in fact – Thargoid – The ships we are encountering are the AI Biological Ships and Weapons.
At this point I feel a little sad that all of our insect friends maybe dead – however I do have a glimmer of hope that maybe this information still holds true “most of the fighting was conducted remotely. Soldiers were deployed only to occupy areas that had been captured by autonomous or remote vehicles, and eventually were not used at all”. So maybe, just Maybe, our insect buddies are still around but sat in front of computers directing the AI from afar… in a permit locked area of our galaxy?

/tinfoilhat

“As well as biological warfare agents, they also created creatures expressly for use in battle, and these remained effective even into the modern era.” says to me that the Thargoids are (edit: probably!) the Guardians' warrior creation

 

[Kaltern]

Can confirm that this was the method that worked for me yesterday. I am now assuming that leaving the planet's sphere of influence resets the RNG roll.

That is exactly what just happened to me BTW for those new to the art of UP fishing, you can safely ignore anything that is Threat 0. UP's show up in Threat 2.

 

[Nagual]

Can confirm that this was the method that worked for me yesterday. I am now assuming that leaving the planet's sphere of influence resets the RNG roll.

If I remember correctly, one method that used to work a long time ago, was when you see a random USS, target it and reduce speed to minimum. Fly around it for a short while and as if by magic the correct USS appeared. Worth a shot if you're struggling.

 

[Martin Afonso]

Tried to perform a small test today, but can't do it alone: I wanted to try to remove the rubble clogging one of the inactive bases' tunnels, so equipped a mining laser and flew to the Aries sector one. Left one UA to hold the door open, but as soon I boarded my ship to fire the laser, the UA dissapeared and the door closed... so, if someone with friends wants to try it, i'd like to see the results.

EDIT: Experiment performed. Door succesfully held open with an UL. Multiple shots to the rubble without effect, tunnel still clogged. No damage effects observed.

 

[Danger]

Follow the Money....

Just called in at Obsidian Orbital for repairs.
Had an 'Unknown Technology Samples' in the hold I picked up in the caves.

Galatic average 22,551cr
Black Market at Obsidian Orbital : 522,958cr


Wonder what they do to a station ?

 

[CookieJarviz]

Guys I think thargoids are trying to communicate with us. The spectrogram of the UL? at the bottom it shows us with the probes UAs, and the UL at the top it shows 2 thargoid ships with "waves" going towards it. I think there trying to communicate.

 

[Lacrimosa]

I think it's reasonable, since some Guardian stuff fits in the device (even if the reaction is then very angry - or possibly just that it malfunctions), to infer that Guardian stuff and Thargoid/Unknown stuff shares something in common - especially since we have growing evidence (but not conclusive proof) that that's all it accepts. We'd need to go through all other cargo items to be absolutely sure.

But we have the hints of a pattern - Unknown things are obviously accepted; as are Guardian things. Based on that hypothesis, the next things i why or how.

The simplest explanation would be that the two techs are related, either in the form of progenitor/offspring, creator/creation or siblings. Friends or enemies isn't important.

Now, physically, the two tech styles and architectural (or whatever) styles are poles apart - which is a factor against that idea, but is there any evidence, however sparse, that could support it?


The one thing I can think of is that Thargoids/Flower Ships/UAs et al are all clearly very advanced, and it's reasonable (albeit not a given) to think that that level of advancement has taken a long time to achieve. Perhaps long enough even for them to have been around before the Guardians did their disappearing act.

Or

Perhaps their tech is derived from Guardian tech because they stole it, as we no doubt would given the chance.



Again - nothing concrete, just trying to flesh out the ideas and provide supporting/contrary reasoning. And I started writing this an hour ago and there's no doubt been another 50 posts since then, one of which probably already disproves some or all of this!

The techs do not really have to be related, they just have to work based on similar principles. Thargoid data links can be accessed by our SRVs yet the data is unreadable. Maybe the same applies to Unknown Device and Ancient Relics? It's like inserting Xbox disk into the PlayStation but much more violent.