Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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Judikator

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There is no HIP 14919 only 14909. But i i found a system that is 27.06 ly away from HIP 14909, unfortunately it has only 2 suns :/
 
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Becks

Becks
LordZoltan said:
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I don't think that's quite right.

If we look at the UP spectrogram, take the bottom circle as the source (scanned) system and the top as a target (presumably one related to thargoids, given the flowership/thargon symbols), then:

1st distance is equal to the distance between source & Merope AND Merope & target.
2nd distance is DIRECT distance from source to target
3rd distance is is equal to the distance between source & COL70(?) AND COL70(?) to target

Now, granted, this would mean that the target is not a fixed point - as one point will always be the same distance from two other fixed points. Except we only have three messages giving us three different sets of numbers, right?

So we might have three separate target systems.

I'm trying to get some time to work out on paper if it's even geometrically possible, but I'm sure there are bigger brains here who can do it more quickly than I.

Basically, I think you can plug in the three numbers to triangulate both the source system and the target systems. The only thing being that that straight line distance is always really short - which suggests that the target system is very close to the source.

So this Mel system is spawning UAs but is outside the previous UA shell? I did see this last night but was too tired :)

Exactly how far is it to Merope?
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Well both the source and the target system would need some odd requirements for that.

Both would need to have the same distance from Merope and from Col70 + being a fixed distance away from each other. That's a very peculiar array of requirements and I'm not sure if it's possible but I should be able to check that with quite simple Geometry :)

I think a more probable theory is that UL, UA and UP and their respective systems as far as they have one pinpoint to a third system, which in return can be used to triangulate the fourth system with Merope, Col70 and the unknown system. :)
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Just adding,,, went and got the six messages from the Relay Station in Celaeno... damn I love this voice acting for the messages. And while all the discoveries have pretty much happened while I'm asleep, it's awesome to see all the points that tie in to make these discoveries.

Major rep to FD on this stuff.
 

abyssdj

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manwithagun said:
Why do we use
a) HIP 909 as refrence2
b) why do we use distances? In Spherical coordinates system, where 157/1000 and 31/1000 are angles and third coordinate is distance.
by this point in first case we have 56.52 degrees Ox axis 11.16 to Oy and 0.960 units distance
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Nerds say so
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CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
I've seen an Anomaly literally just 100KM above Mel 22 sector ZU-P C5-1 4 C but missed my chance at grabbing it!

Will try again.

[video=youtube_share;gWkch1glI8k]https://youtu.be/gWkch1glI8k[/video]
 
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Muetdhiver

Muetdhiver
my applogies, I made a mistake.

ZU-P c5-1 is the right target.

1) never copy anything by hand
2) anomaly bonzana
 
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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
How to verify the UL Distances

Okay instead of using triangulation, there is an easier way which involves exploiting the properties of a centroid of a triangle, which is ultimately how we're interpreting the values we have.

See http://study.com/academy/lesson/centroid-definition-theorem-formula.html (it's a paid for service, but the first factoid should pretty much explain what i mean)

The distance from a vertex in a triangle to its centroid will always be 2/3rds the distance of the distance to the midpoint of side opposite to the vertex.

This means, given only the centroid distances, it's possible to calculate (and more importantly verify) the dimensions of all the triangles described by various combinations of the three reference points and that centroid - including all the lengths and angles.

I'm currently drawing this on a piece of paper but I'm on a phone and am going to struggle to share what I'm doing!

One way you can verify the numbers, though, is that it will predict the distance between, say, Merope and COL70. If that's wrong, then the interpretation is wrong - simple-as.

Edit: I've tried a web-based scalene triangle solver and it's just spitting out errors - could be because we're having to round our numbers. Need someone with good geometry chops to do this :)
 
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rizal72

rizal72
JesusRocks1988 said:
Thank you so much for this explanation, it's so clear. I have been zoning out ever since the numbers started flying and this is the only time I've felt like it made sense!

So bottom line is we're looking for a system that's 27.001558LY from HIP 14919? (should that be 14909?)

RIZAL! THIS SHOULD GO ON THE FRONT PAGE!
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It's there now ;)
 
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