Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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I just want to point evryone to one simple fact. If USsite is some kind a ship -> every single Unknown Stucture that we found - "spiralled" to the ground by absolutely same way. Also in every US site ENTERANCE is EXACTLY on the same level with ground. So are u rly still think that those things are CRUSHED to land? Do u saw two identical crush sites? M? It's simple observation that lead to simple conclusion that its not a "crush" but "landing" instead. Dont call it crash site anymore pls couse its not. And sry 4 my eng its not my native)
 
MEL 22 SECTOR ZU-P C5-1 4A **

-63.5
8.02

I heard of it while eavesdropping on some gankers at hip 14909 today, (what they talk about when alone is another story).

I thought it was a troll, being so close to hip 14909.

It is in a better state of repair than any other site I have seen.

I did my reconnaissance in VR. You would be startled at how different the sites look in 3D.

Its quite clearly a massive ship in the region of 10km in diameter.

Quite terrifying.

Its quite clearly

yeah just gonna keep my hopes down for now
 

Ozric

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Well I drove home from work today and I think I've got a UA in my boot or something - I parked and couldn't turn the car off.

At least the science was still flowing here!

How very bizarre. I hope you sung to it in morse to ease it?
 
Damn, I made the "mistake" joining game in open, as I was landed a few km outside the site on HIP 14909, I spawned and was instantly killed by some heros wanting to show what they are capable of. So I lost my cargo that contained 1 of each unknown thing, I kept them to do scan test at a barnacle site to figure out what to happen. Managed to get 2 UAs, but no luck with UP and therefore also no UL. Will try tomorrow again.
 
I was kind of hoping the new audio would point to couple of new places. No such luck it seems.

I went the math-way this time and actually trilaterated the coordinates. This ends up being a triple-sphere intersection, which given the three sets of coordinates, will intersect in two points, thus two different results for each line - only one of which should be correct.

Below are the results for the signal in Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-31:

Code:
         Merope, d2-31, Col70
             v      v     v
Decoded: [0.151, 0.01, 0.937]
(x, y, z) = [ -59.45141311 -273.82211586 -379.35331368]  
(x, y, z) = [ -57.5989928  -274.87252657 -374.74794964]  // Mel 22 NX-U d2-27 is [ -57.1, -274.7, -373.7 ]


Decoded: [0.157, 0.025, 0.96]
(x, y, z) = [ -82.16964174 -280.6184037  -379.62695752]
(x, y, z) = [ -75.10696397 -284.62327902 -362.06819834]  // Mel 22 ZU-P c5-1 is [ -75.4, -284.5, -361.8 ]


Decoded: [0.128, 0.031, 0.974]
(x, y, z) = [ -83.37090729 -259.78159006 -357.04804299]  // HIP 14909 is [ -84.4, -259.3, -358.7 ]
(x, y, z) = [ -87.80253706 -257.2686445  -368.06566584]

The sphere geometry makes the results a bit funky, but even the -357.0 vs -358.7 of HIP 14909 is within error margins.

Hey Wace, have you checked if the total 'error' in the three coordinates matches the distance from the system main star to the wreak site?
 
Damn, I made the "mistake" joining game in open, as I was landed a few km outside the site on HIP 14909, I spawned and was instantly killed by some heros wanting to show what they are capable of. So I lost my cargo that contained 1 of each unknown thing, I kept them to do scan test at a barnacle site to figure out what to happen. Managed to get 2 UAs, but no luck with UP and therefore also no UL. Will try tomorrow again.

On a related note... Anyone know a good US based private group for this stuff they'd consider inviting me to?
 
I haven't seen this site on here yet! I submitted it to the Canonn spreadsheet as well. I got it from the top message produced by the site in the Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-27 system.

Mel 22 Sector YU-F B11-1
planet AB 5 A
lat/lon -52 / -5.68

This does appear to be new. Can you elaborate a little more on the "top message produced by the site.." please?

Edit: So maybe not new, but still interested.

What is the discord for this - something you could PM me, Vall?
 
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To those new to the thread or trying to keep up;

i) Scan all four Active sites to get 3 recordings from each (total 12 recordings so far) - you get these by triggering the star map in each chamber.

ii) Use the Unknown-Link in systems we have not found any crashed base ships yet - deploy your Unknown-Link, and play the messages in groups of 3 - Keep an eye on the degredation of your Unknown-Link while in space! You only have enough time to do 3 at a time, hence, just do 3, scoop, re-deploy.

iii) If you have no "laser" hits from any of the 12 recordings so far, try a new star system.

I'll be back on soon to go hunting ^^
 
Just to drop it here if no one else hasn't noticed it. But frontier has classified these new alien structures/shipyards/graveyards (what ever you call them) as settlements. If you try re call your ship, the game will tell you leave settlement x m (distance in meters).
 
TBH, I would say its a plausible hypothesis. There are many possible explanation to what we know and observe, and this is just one of them.
EVEN if it came to be true, still doesn't explain the biggest mistery of all: Why do the Thargoids use morse code?

Before anyone says "dude, this is a game", remember that David Braben wanted to make the aliens "truly aliens". If he keeps his word, there must be an explanation on why they use this human language.

Also MB said the use of morse was deliberate (still leaving things open to interpretation admittedly).

But I've been thinking about various things and have some speculation on the use of morse.

So, the new spectrogram, along with all the statements about DB/FD trying to make the Thargoids truly alien, has me wondering - do the Thargoids experience sound differently to us? Perhaps they can in some way see/hear spectrograms and rather than the information being in spectrograms for concealement it is actually one of their inherent ways of communicating.

So into the use of morse. If the above is correct than human language could well be completely alien to Thargoids, possibly to such an extent that they do not even realise there is any communication taking place. Morse, however, would be recognisable in 'spectrogrammic' as a means of communication.

Unless I've completely misunderstood Jmanis's explanation of the morse used by the UA then that version of morse would be more clear in 'spectrogrammic' than normal morse, which would partially explain the use of the stylised version.

Disclaimer - I'm not an expert in either morse of spectrograms, so I'm certainly not saying the above paragraph as an authoritative statement. If anyone is an expert and can confirm whether it's correct or wrong then that'd be great. If not it should be possible to test the hypothesis fairly readily.

Admittedly, if correct, this still only offers an explanation of why morse and not other forms of human language, and doesn't answer the bigger question of why they're using a human form of communication, but it's a start.
 
Damn, I made the "mistake" joining game in open, as I was landed a few km outside the site on HIP 14909, I spawned and was instantly killed by some heros wanting to show what they are capable of. So I lost my cargo that contained 1 of each unknown thing, I kept them to do scan test at a barnacle site to figure out what to happen. Managed to get 2 UAs, but no luck with UP and therefore also no UL. Will try tomorrow again.

On a related note... Anyone know a good US based private group for this stuff they'd consider inviting me to?

Here's when the Canonn private group comes in handy ;)

On a second note, last night I was in mobius group, going to set up the show inside the mothership (yes, mothership) for some commanders waiting there for me: it was not possible as a Cutter was blowing everyone away. Even in mobius. No religion anymore. Thanks god my DBX (I always fly in cheap ships despite my Anie and Corvette) can reach "ludicrous speeds" with ease ;)
 
Also MB said the use of morse was deliberate (still leaving things open to interpretation admittedly).

But I've been thinking about various things and have some speculation on the use of morse.

So, the new spectrogram, along with all the statements about DB/FD trying to make the Thargoids truly alien, has me wondering - do the Thargoids experience sound differently to us? Perhaps they can in some way see/hear spectrograms and rather than the information being in spectrograms for concealement it is actually one of their inherent ways of communicating.

So into the use of morse. If the above is correct than human language could well be completely alien to Thargoids, possibly to such an extent that they do not even realise there is any communication taking place. Morse, however, would be recognisable in 'spectrogrammic' as a means of communication.

Unless I've completely misunderstood Jmanis's explanation of the morse used by the UA then that version of morse would be more clear in 'spectrogrammic' than normal morse, which would partially explain the use of the stylised version.

Disclaimer - I'm not an expert in either morse of spectrograms, so I'm certainly not saying the above paragraph as an authoritative statement. If anyone is an expert and can confirm whether it's correct or wrong then that'd be great. If not it should be possible to test the hypothesis fairly readily.

Admittedly, if correct, this still only offers an explanation of why morse and not other forms of human language, and doesn't answer the bigger question of why they're using a human form of communication, but it's a start.

With all of the Nav Beacons out there spewing Morse how long would it take for a civilization to work it out.
 

Ozric

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I haven't seen this site on here yet! I submitted it to the Canonn spreadsheet as well. I got it from the top message produced by the site in the Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-27 system.

Mel 22 Sector YU-F B11-1
planet AB 5 A
lat/lon -52 / -5.68

Nice find Cmdr.

This does appear to be new. Can you elaborate a little more on the "top message produced by the site.." please?

Edit: So maybe not new, but still interested.

Top message in the inbox after scanning the Unknown Device when it's active, and it is new :)
 
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