Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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The thing about this whole process that is nagging at me is, why the curved lines coming from Merope and the (suggested) Col 70 system pointing to the area at the top? The process we go through doesn't have anything to do with those two systems, yet if you follow the spectrogram as though it is a set of instructions, it would imply that you need to do something from Merope and Col 70, no?

We have deduced that Merope5C and Col 70 sector fy-n c21-3 are important to Thargoids since they are used to code their planetary information transmissions, while UPs physically point to 5C. The frustrating thing is that Col70 is locked so we cant investigate it while nothing has been found (yet) on 5C despite much searching. When anyone finds a UL combination that points to something on 5C please let me know!
 
Well seeing pedantry is de rigeur in this thread, in your step 2 UPs point to Merope 5C, but their signal appears to be destined for Col 70 sector fy-n c21-3 according to Trilateration analysis :)

I don't think this is the case. We know that the UPs encode their distances from Col 70, but there isn't evidence (unless I missed it somewhere) that they transmit to Col 70.
 
Looks like i've decoded all 3 transmissions from site 7:

Code:
Transmission 1:

HLH HLH | HHL LLL LHL
010 010 | 001 111 101
18 | 125
0.144

HHL | HHL LHH LHH
001 | 001 100 100
1 | 100
0.01

HLH LLL LHL | HLL HHL HHH
010 111 101 | 011 001 010
189 | 202
0.945

0.144 | 0.01 | 0.945

Transmission 2:
HLH HLL LHL | HHL LLL LHL HHH
010 011 101 | 001 111 101 000
157 | 1000
0.157

HLL HLL | HHL LLL LHL HHH
011 011 | 001 111 101 000
27 | 1000
0.027

HLL HHH | HLL HHL
011 000 | 011 001
24 | 25
0.96

0.157 | 0.027 | 0.96

Transmission 3:

HHL HHL LHL | LLL LLH LHH
001 001 101 | 111 110 100
77 | 500
0.154

HLL | HHL LHH LHH
011 | 001 100 100
3 | 100
0.03

HHL LLH HHL LHL | HHL LLL LHL HHH
001 110 001 101 | 001 111 101 000
909 | 1000
0.909

0.154 | 0.03 | 0.909

I hope i didn't make any mistakes, so which one led to site 9 ?

Mel 22 Sector YU-F B11-1
planet AB 5 A
lat/lon -52 / -5.68

great. do you have the transcription for site 9 and site 7?
 
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Hi, am I being thick or does it take some time for these to spawn. I'm went to the first two systems and planet and found no UP's yet. Help please?
 
Paid a visit to the site on Mel 22 Sector YU-F B11-1 AB 5 A without a key to get inside :(

Judging by the proximity of the Scavengers (on my scanner) to the front door however, I imagine this site is active. Not very scientific but my best educated guess.

Also, the architecture is very dramatic with the arms reaching very high up. Worth a visit.
 
So, just to make sure I'm caught up:

If I wanted to help discover stuff, I'd need to:

* Get **two** corrosion resistant racks (since I need room for a UP, a UA, and a UL).
* Go find a UP (hard)
* Go find a UA (easy)
* Visit the most recently discovered active site, activate it, record messages and don't delete them from the inbox. (Probably not hard?)
* Go to space, jettison UL, play messages at it, record output.
* Use ??? Wizardry ??? to analyze whatever recording I get back, somehow triangulate that to space coordinates. (No idea how to even begin, this step is likely beyond me)
* As close as I can get to said coordinates, drop the UL in each system and play the corresponding message, hopefully get a beam pointing to a planet.
* Search planet in supercruise to find the thargoid site.


Of course, I suspect that by the time I find a single UP the rest of y'all will have already found the end point of this crazy hunt and defeated the Thargoid Menace once and for all. :p
 
We have deduced that Merope5C and Col 70 sector fy-n c21-3 are important to Thargoids since they are used to code their planetary information transmissions, while UPs physically point to 5C. The frustrating thing is that Col70 is locked so we cant investigate it while nothing has been found (yet) on 5C despite much searching. When anyone finds a UL combination that points to something on 5C please let me know!

You say its important to the goids and yet it could just be there using it to communicate with us on a common ground. Kinda like we will step over your boarders if you step over ours kinda thing
 
Also MB said the use of morse was deliberate (still leaving things open to interpretation admittedly).

But I've been thinking about various things and have some speculation on the use of morse.

So, the new spectrogram, along with all the statements about DB/FD trying to make the Thargoids truly alien, has me wondering - do the Thargoids experience sound differently to us? Perhaps they can in some way see/hear spectrograms and rather than the information being in spectrograms for concealement it is actually one of their inherent ways of communicating.

So into the use of morse. If the above is correct than human language could well be completely alien to Thargoids, possibly to such an extent that they do not even realise there is any communication taking place. Morse, however, would be recognisable in 'spectrogrammic' as a means of communication.

Unless I've completely misunderstood Jmanis's explanation of the morse used by the UA then that version of morse would be more clear in 'spectrogrammic' than normal morse, which would partially explain the use of the stylised version.

Disclaimer - I'm not an expert in either morse of spectrograms, so I'm certainly not saying the above paragraph as an authoritative statement. If anyone is an expert and can confirm whether it's correct or wrong then that'd be great. If not it should be possible to test the hypothesis fairly readily.

Admittedly, if correct, this still only offers an explanation of why morse and not other forms of human language, and doesn't answer the bigger question of why they're using a human form of communication, but it's a start.


There's another explanation for this, a bit convoluted but I had this idea when I saw the FDev artbook and the UA cutaway. I think UAs are human-thargoid hybrid technology, put together to work around the mycoid virus problem. As I see it, the UAs are a derivative of another thargoid tech piece, the Unknown probe (an older reconnaisance device who encodes information in thargoid octal code, as the mothership map machine), designed as a quick workaround to put a warning system for human advances around Pleiades nebula, developed after the thargoid retreat and maybe with human assistance. Human tech incorporated to the UA could help to make it hardened against a mycoid infested envinroment near our bubble, but Thargoid engineers had to make some shorcuts and incorporate a human interface language to make it functional. Also, I think Thargoids requested human help for the initial deployment of the UAs. After that, Thargs managed to make the UPs and his whole technology immune to the mycoid fungus and redeployed it around Pleiades looking for survivors? wreck sites? in the ammonia worlds of the nebula.

So, we have three different thargoid devices: UP, a reconnaissance and long range communication device; UL, a combination of emergency communication system and beacon. And the UP, a short-range hybrid scanning gadget. How did the thargoids collected information from the UAs? why is Merope important?. That's some questions I'd like to know the answer.

EDIT: A couple of days ago, I was pretty sure that UAs were reverse-engineered thargoid tech put together by someone in the bubble as the only way to alert us about the thargoids' return to Pleiades, but... well, the map machines changed my mind. Sorry for my poor english.
 
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I just want to point evryone to one simple fact. If USsite is some kind a ship -> every single Unknown Stucture that we found - "spiralled" to the ground by absolutely same way. Also in every US site ENTERANCE is EXACTLY on the same level with ground. So are u rly still think that those things are CRUSHED to land? Do u saw two identical crush sites? M? It's simple observation that lead to simple conclusion that its not a "crush" but "landing" instead. Dont call it crash site anymore pls couse its not. And sry 4 my eng its not my native)

Well, what we're driving on is actually the backside of the ship, not the ground itself. The sand below our wheels is most possibly the settled dust from the impact. Furthermore, some seem to have been buried deeper into the ground than others. Or that was my impression at least when taking a birds eye view of the Aries site (#2).

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I quite literally went a couple of systems away from another site, noticed it had an ammonia world, went to that world but they're all ice planets so went to the first rocky planet in the system and starting looking around in orbital cruise and noticed a green blob. Just luck I guess!

1A, planet one is a gas giant. lol

Oops, missed the word wrap :)
 
Paid a visit to the site on Mel 22 Sector YU-F B11-1 AB 5 A without a key to get inside :(

Judging by the proximity of the Scavengers (on my scanner) to the front door however, I imagine this site is active. Not very scientific but my best educated guess.

Also, the architecture is very dramatic with the arms reaching very high up. Worth a visit.

It is. I got inside
 
great. do you have the transcription for site 9 and site 7?
Nope, not yet, but i'm working on it )

Use ??? Wizardry ??? to analyze whatever recording I get back, somehow triangulate that to space coordinates. (No idea how to even begin, this step is likely beyond me)
Hey ! There is an instruction on FP, called "COORDINATES CALCULATION METHOD - Math degree needed..."
 
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