Open Letter to the Prime Minister: Please clarify today's revelations

Dear Prime Minister Mahon,

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CMDR Mangal Oemie
Alliance Diplomat

^ this!

As an Imperial, I also second this motion to happen. Not only the Alliance, but so should all those involved in dark conspiracies to finally speak the truth. Survey ships were silenced, explorers and scientists were bribed. The truth is out there.. and they can no longer escape it.


CMDR StarfireIX
 
My dear Zadian,

The dreams I followed for too long turned out to be illusions created twisted meglomaniacs. I cannot stand by while these fools continue in their mass murders, and crimes against humanity. If you trust your survival to these fools, that's your affair. We of the Elite Pilots Federation can flee from whats coming, trillions of others have not the faintest idea of what is coming, nor is there a dynasty plan for any but this culpable "elite".

I stand for the many, not the few.
 
If the Alliance thinks it's good for them to cooperate with the Federation - why are players upset about it?
Looks to me like some players got carried away with their own story and now realize that their own story doesn't match the story told by FD.

Because the political entity of the Alliance is not supposed to work that way anyway and thus it nullifies a lot of lore on how the Alliance actually works?

I don't remember an assembly vote on working with the Federation.

NO ONE in the Alliance is supposed to have enough power in their hands as an individual to take such decisions. The Prime Minister is not like the president of the Federation and he does not possess such decision making. He is not supposed to have this much power and with this FD is diminishing their own lore.

Individual factions can indeed cooperate on their own volition with Federal representatives, but the Alliance as a whole can not do it without an Assembly decision taking place. A decision that never happened.

This is yet another piece where FD treats the Alliance as if its another Federation because they are too lazy, straight up refuse or dont want to invest the time to flesh out its political landscape.
 
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Of course, you are assuming that your Assembly is a not just a facade designed to given the illusion of democracy and that the real power doesnt actually lie in the hands of an almost invisible few.
 

NO ONE in the Alliance is supposed to have enough power in their hands as an individual to take such decisions. The Prime Minister is not like the president of the Federation and he does not possess such decision making. He is not supposed to have this much power and with this FD is diminishing their own lore.

Individual factions can indeed cooperate on their own volition with Federal representatives, but the Alliance as a whole can not do it without an Assembly decision taking place. A decision that never happened.


The Alliance is, according to lore, ruled by the bureaucrats and the Admiralty.
The Assembly is, according to lore, just a powerless show that gets nothing done.

Would I want it to be different? Sure. I just don't expect it to be different because I want it to be different.
 
My dear Zadian,

The dreams I followed for too long turned out to be illusions created twisted meglomaniacs. I cannot stand by while these fools continue in their mass murders, and crimes against humanity. If you trust your survival to these fools, that's your affair. We of the Elite Pilots Federation can flee from whats coming, trillions of others have not the faintest idea of what is coming, nor is there a dynasty plan for any but this culpable "elite".

I stand for the many, not the few.

Nobody needs large fleets of capital class warships and planetary bases close to the enemy for fleeing. The Exodus plan is just the plan B. "They" are preparing to fight the Thargoids.

Currently it looks like it's Federation and Empire as the fighting force and the Alliance as the research force.
 
Well, Ive seen first hand what Thargiods did to two Farragut Battlecruisers, so Im expecting Plan B will be needed.

Prof. Palin seems to be the only scientist with any insight in to Thargoids, but he is a virtual prisoner of the Federation, our data and his results, stolen by them. The Singularity Movement was created with the goal of freeing Prof. Palin, so that we may all properly benefit from his research.

I urge all free thinking cmdrs to put you differences aside and join Singularity. Only together will we prevail!
 
Nobody needs large fleets of capital class warships and planetary bases close to the enemy for fleeing. The Exodus plan is just the plan B. "They" are preparing to fight the Thargoids.

Currently it looks like it's Federation and Empire as the fighting force and the Alliance as the research force.

Considering the Alliance has directly taken action against INRA (and no I don't mean the non canon ending), I highly doubt that's the case. In fact the Alliance went quite out of their way in investigating anyone preparing to fight the aliens even before knowing what their plan might entail, as seen in 'And Here the Wheel'. I've been piecing the details together from Galnet and the lore books, and while I'm not ready to show my findings here is what I suspect the situation is:

Conspiracy:

Alliance is 100% in the hands of the conspirators, the very founding and government structure of the Alliance ensures that no one that isn't part of the conspiracy will actually have power. The assembly is for show and mostly not in on it, true power lies with the Admirals and the Intelligence arm of the Alliance, which is the most dangerous weapon of the Conspirators and is far more effective that the Federation and Empire Intel branches.

The Federation has key government officials and companies under the control of the conspiracy, and Former President Halsey was likely a member as well, but an unforeseen accident led to Hudson gaining control, he is likely not in on it and efforts to undermine his credibility have so far not borne fruit. In fact Hudson's actions seem counterproductive to the conspiracies goals, in his opposition and provocations to Thargoids, attempt to investigate Halsey, and revealing details on Thargoids the conspiracy did not want revealed. That said, a superpower is not made of one person, so the conspiracy still retains effective control through corps and bureaucrats. No clue if Winters herself is in on the conspiracy, but her backers likely are.

The Empire is tricky, clearly there are powerful senators and companies in league with the Conspiracy, but the Emperor retains a lot of power and I suspect the conspiracy ran into an unforeseen setback. Aisling was supposed to be the puppet, not in on the conspiracy but next in line as her father was ineligible for insanity, her mysterious backers being the actual ones in charge should she gain the throne. She might later object to their influence in her later life but by then the Conspiracy would have what they want while she is young and unprepared, however the reveal of an affair and secret marriage led to Arissa Lavigny gaining the throne instead, a very unforeseen setback. Attempts to remove her and the Emporer before the change in heir took effect failed, and the dummy organization Emperor's Dawn did not make any headway in removing Arissa. It is very likely the conspiracy will try and remove Arissa, as a backup I suspect Patreus is directly in the conspiracy and was thus trying to court Aisling for political gain. Torval may or may not be in on it, she's kind of just there to be honest.

At some point I'll likely make an overall post with better sourcing on the Galnet articles and lore books that give me cause to suspect this. Also I'm disappointed Salome's messages had so few details, some names would have really been useful in pinpointing exact conspirators.

Edit: I realize the hardest part of this to believe is that Halsey and not Hudson is part of the Conspiracy, but there are some discrepancies that make Hudson's actions and backstory not fit with the conspiracy. If he is part of it he's doing a poor job, while Halsey's accident (which really does seem to be unintentional, Elite lore loves its unforeseen setbacks to conspiratorial organizations) and possible brain damage meant leaving her in Federation territory was inviting an accidental info leak, hence the move to the Alliance, where she can recover and readjust in a more controllable environment. That she was so quickly accepted by the Alliance was what led me to look into her and Hudson more
 
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I have been thinking along that lines myself.

I'm not sure about the Alliance. Not sure how to take "Premonition" and the way the Alliance is portrait there.

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I have but to disagree with you on this to some extent. Again OOC all the way much like my previous post.
While the non-player factions may not represent the players, the players do, however, represent the faction. (if not intentionally, much because of the vacuum of actual content about that faction)
Sure; I have no problem with "representing" a faction. I don't think it can be argued, however, that the players are the faction. It's an important distinction.

As a communist, I obviously want all the actions I take in-game to reflect certain central tenets, such as the fundamental belief that people can't be owned, either legally through debt-slavery, or illegally through the use of force - both are immoral. Communist factions still occasionally offer slaving missions. I just choose not to do those missions. I could petition the devs to change the mission generation routines to exclude slave missions from communist minor factions, but that would, in my opinion, be a step too far. As I alluded to in an earlier post, this game is predicated on the notion that people are, for want of a better word, ugly creatures, living in a universe where morally repugnant acts are commonplace.

Much like the will of the players was felt in early CGs that helped shape Imperial and Federation Politics the players should have the ability to influence the outcome of a faction. There are lot of Alliance pilots who have grabbed the early idea that the Alliance was an anti-federation organization, united against the way massive coorporations were taking over. And the lack of official narrative does not help, in not shaping the alliance to be SOMETHING, Frontier allowed it to be Anything. And so we try to mold it to our intentions, by action.
Again, I agree, up to a point. The role-play aspects of the game would be pretty boring if the factions were changed to suit the whims of the players attached to them. There would be no dissonance for the players to attempt to resolve through their role-play.

I'd also pick up on the conception of the Alliance as you describe above - to my knowledge, it's overly-charitable at best, and simply incorrect at worst. The Alliance was founded due to the actions of both superpowers in their incessant bickering. It's not just "Federation bad;" it's "Federation and Empire bad." I'd also point to Mahon's Powerplay strengths and weaknesses. He actively hates communists and loves corporations. I know of at least three systems that I worked in (two of which I flipped) prior to Powerplay having a corporate government installed. The anti-corporate stance of the Alliance is a fabrication, to put it mildly.

With that said, if the aggregated "general will" of the players (a concept that isn't without its problems) is to be expressed for the Alliance, I would suggest the same mechanism that was used for the Feds and Imps - CGs. Persuasive forum posts leading to fiat changes in the game universe would hardly be consistent with the other political decisions.

If this game is supposed to reflect its players that should somehow impact the narrative, instead of the narrative overriding anything we do in game. Its not about jumping the boat, but changing the way the boat goes. OFC FDev may do whatever they want, but they must understand they will alienate people with something so out of line with anything relating to alliance "lore".
But this precludes the possibility that you were wrong about the Alliance.

I remember back just before 1.3, when CI were working within Alliance territory (LHS 2925 Labour Union), and I had taken a short break from that area of space to work for my pet faction down in the heart of Federation territory. I had a mission pending for the 2925 Labour Union, and at the time wrinkles and NPCs offering branches were really common. The flavour text for the wrinkle was really interesting - "you don't know who they (referring to the LHS 2925 Labour Union) are working for; they're a monster."

The point is, of course, that the factions in the game are ugly creatures.

With this I'm not saying we're good or bad.. I don't believe that things fall that neatly into boxes. I say, we're different, like the original alliance lore said we were, and we follow those ideals. Should the narrative do the same?
Honestly I hope this thing about the PM will lead to at least some interesting narrative where he will have some conflict to resolve with the rest of the Alliance, allowing other characters to surface. It would be nice to see something about the Alliance being discussed.
I agree. One of the great things about this game, though, is the potential for narratives at multiple scales.
 
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Sure; I have no problem with "representing" a faction. I don't think it can be argued, however, that the players are the faction. It's an important distinction.

As a communist, I obviously want all the actions I take in-game to reflect certain central tenets, such as the fundamental belief that people can't be owned, either legally through debt-slavery, or illegally through the use of force - both are immoral. Communist factions still occasionally offer slaving missions. I just choose not to do those missions. I could petition the devs to change the mission generation routines to exclude slave missions from communist minor factions, but that would, in my opinion, be a step too far. As I alluded to in an earlier post, this game is predicated on the notion that people are, for want of a better word, ugly creatures, living in a universe where morally repugnant acts are commonplace.

Again, I agree, up to a point. The role-play aspects of the game would be pretty boring if the factions were changed to suit the whims of the players attached to them. There would be no dissonance for the players to attempt to resolve through their role-play.

I'd also pick up on the conception of the Alliance as you describe above - to my knowledge, it's overly-charitable at best, and simply incorrect at worst. The Alliance was founded due to the actions of both superpowers in their incessant bickering. It's not just "Federation bad;" it's "Federation and Empire bad." I'd also point to Mahon's Powerplay strengths and weaknesses. He actively hates communists and loves corporations. I know of at least three systems that I worked in (two of which I flipped) prior to Powerplay having a corporate government installed. The anti-corporate stance of the Alliance is a fabrication, to put it mildly.

With that said, if the aggregated "general will" of the players (a concept that isn't without its problems) is to be expressed for the Alliance, I would suggest the same mechanism that was used for the Feds and Imps - CGs. Persuasive forum posts leading to fiat changes in the game universe would hardly be consistent with the other political decisions.

But this precludes the possibility that you were wrong about the Alliance.

I remember back just before 1.3, when CI were working within Alliance territory (LHS 2925 Labour Union), and I had taken a short break from that area of space to work for my pet faction down in the heart of Federation territory. I had a mission pending for the 2925 Labour Union, and at the time wrinkles and NPCs offering branches were really common. The flavour text for the wrinkle was really interesting - "you don't know who they (referring to the LHS 2925 Labour Union) are working for; they're a monster."

The point is, of course, that the factions in the game are ugly creatures.

I agree. One of the great things about this game, though, is the potential for narratives at multiple scales.

Objecting to communist factions having slaves? But forced labor and reeducation is a VERY common Communist concept!

Oh silly me, it doesn't count because past oppressive 'Communist' governments don't count as such and always just abandoned their core tenant. At least that's the excuse that always crops up.
 
So let's all agree that Halsey needs to go back to Hudson's lap for starters! :cool:
Halsey is involved in a "hyperspace accident" and comes back a changed woman. Meanwhile, Palin disappears and has to have brain parasites removed (hence the facial scarring.)

Tinfoil hat ready? Check.

Objecting to communist factions having slaves? But forced labor and reeducation is a VERY common Communist concept!

Oh silly me, it doesn't count because past oppressive 'Communist' governments don't count as such and always just abandoned their core tenant. At least that's the excuse that always crops up.
I can, at leat, spell "tenet."

Christ on a bike....
 
Halsey is involved in a "hyperspace accident" and comes back a changed woman. Meanwhile, Palin disappears and has to have brain parasites removed (hence the facial scarring.)

Tinfoil hat ready? Check.

I can, at leat, spell "tenet."

Christ on a bike....

Autocorrect loves to make tiny changes like that, however a good communist wouldn't make a religious reference, looks like someone is facing reeducation and/or a FAIR trial and execution.
 
... It's the accusation of "collaboration with the Federation" that the uproar is around.

Just a reminder that this is indeed what this is about. We're not all naive idealist hippies that believe the Alliance doesn't do underhanded stuff from time to time to further its goals. But collaboration with Feds is unacceptable.
 
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