4th Possible Species right in front of our eyes?

[h347h]

You think like I do.
If the Oresians are being hunted by the Klaxians then we should try to form some kind of alliance.
What if the Flower ships are Oresians letting us know they're here, personally I think that if the Flowers were Klaxians they wouldn't just scan our ships, they'd blow us to smithereens at first sight.
At E3 it was already mentioned that they know more about us than we about them, so Klaxians would've known already how to destroy us.
Oresians might use the hyperdictions as a way of introduction and that they mean us no harm.

That would about a good of way of doing as a police officer pulling you over via a pit maneuver then shining an annoying flashlight (or torch as people like to call it elsewhere) and honking their horn at us then randomly leaving with out communicating.

I'm pretty sure that that particular behavior has more to.do with them looking for something instead of communication. The unknown artifacts, probes, and links ECT would be a much better way to try and communicate with us as they could leave it for us to find, learn about what they intend with out the risk of leading to conflict.

 

[MooDSWinG]

That would about a good of way of doing as a police officer pulling you over via a pit maneuver then shining an annoying flashlight (or torch as people like to call it elsewhere) and honking their horn at us then randomly leaving with out communicating.

I'm pretty sure that that particular behavior has more to.do with them looking for something instead of communication. The unknown artifacts, probes, and links ECT would be a much better way to try and communicate with us as they could leave it for us to find, learn about what they intend with out the risk of leading to conflict.

yeah i can see this too in their behavior... most recently coming down to one of these sites and scanning the SRV's at the site and leaving once again....

maybe they are waiting for us to make a breakthrough with our tech to help them fight whatever these other things are, like putting something of ours into the machine that kills the queen and the eggs ? i dunno.

 

[FilmExile]

Maybe the 'Tharg' attacks we have seen so far are not actually Tharg attacks. Perhaps human weapons tests? or another alien race?

 

[JesusRocks1988]

Yes I heard about that distinction between Klaxians and Oresrians being both Thargoids.
I like the idea, but where does this info come from?
It is not in 'The Dark Wheel'.
In that book the Oresrians are described as being a sister race of the Thargoids.
There is no mention of Klaxians.

Read Premonition... That's all I'm going to say.

 

[Skyjack]

where do you get the 'pure evil'? all we know on klaxians/original thargoids is that they are non-individualistic, have a very difficult to translate language - and are generally militaristic in inclination and have modded their biochemistry to feel no fear. Klaxians brought up in captivity bond to the the people around, which circumstance was abused by at least few human orgs in Dark Wheel, to bring up loyal combat pilots and assassins. Looks like a race that has lived under a threat so great fear had to be edited out, or possibly an artificially weaponised race, but nowhere close to absolute evil. The organised crime cell smuggling their larvae for an assassin programme looked at least as bad as the thargoids.

 

[MooDSWinG]

where do you get the 'pure evil'? all we know on klaxians/original thargoids is that they are non-individualistic, have a very difficult to translate language - and are generally militaristic in inclination and have modded their biochemistry to feel no fear. Klaxians brought up in captivity bond to the the people around, which circumstance was abused by at least few human orgs in Dark Wheel, to bring up loyal combat pilots and assassins. Looks like a race that has lived under a threat so great fear had to be edited out, or possibly an artificially weaponised race, but nowhere close to absolute evil. The organised crime cell smuggling their larvae for an assassin programme looked at least as bad as the thargoids.

I did wonder if the bio weapon the Guardians made was in fact a 4th species maybe being the one i noticed at this site? In the lore does it specifically say anywhere the Thargoids were the Guardians creation ? if not is it possible they just resided here along with the Guardians and us in our infancy and really got the bad end of the stick from the Guardians creation which also wiped themselves out, and also us when we created a weapon to hit them (goids)hard?

P.S i am now definitely reading all the books.

 

[Skyjack]

In the lore does it specifically say anywhere the Thargoids were the Guardians creation ?

P.S i am now definitely reading all the books.

the link between the two, thargoids as the guardian bioweapon, is confirmed precisely nowhere. It's a tinfoil theory, a reasonably logical one in the light of thargoid traits that look intentionally weaponised, and thargoids definitely being aware of guardian tech.

And as for books: Dark Wheel, Out of the Darkness, And Here the Wheel and Premonition are the ones that have (sometimes contradictory) detail on thargoids

 

[Dutchman141]

where do you get the 'pure evil'? all we know on klaxians/original thargoids is that they are non-individualistic, have a very difficult to translate language - and are generally militaristic in inclination and have modded their biochemistry to feel no fear. Klaxians brought up in captivity bond to the the people around, which circumstance was abused by at least few human orgs in Dark Wheel, to bring up loyal combat pilots and assassins. Looks like a race that has lived under a threat so great fear had to be edited out, or possibly an artificially weaponised race, but nowhere close to absolute evil. The organised crime cell smuggling their larvae for an assassin programme looked at least as bad as the thargoids.

If you look at what we've done to the Thargoids then they have every reason to hate our very existence.
I don't know if those Thargoids were Oresians or not.
My theory is that it wasn't the Oresians and that the Flowers are Oresian, if one of the two Thargoid races being all but made extinct by us would be the same as the ones flying the Flowers they would've done much more then scan us.
My guess is that the Flowers are not the same guys who own the sites, they might look similar to a degree but then again Oresians and Klaxians aren't that different from eachother.

When a Flower comes down to scan us when we're at a site could be for a whole other reason then we know, if the Flower and site belong to two different races that is.

Let's just hope we're not poking in a hornets nest by activating all these sites.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

Space whales confirmed.

 

[Kaocraft]

The Oresians/Klaxians thing dates all the way back to 1984 Elite and The Dark Wheel. In that version of the Elite universe, every space station was like the Mos Eisley cantina scene - full of random goofy humanoid aliens. The "good" Thargoids were literally praying mantis people who hung out on the same stations and fraternized with humans and dozens of others "human, but with a funny forehead"-type alien races. The entire scenario smacks of Star Trek/Mass Effect style world building, which is something David Braben has said he very much wants to get away from in this iteration of the Elite universe (which is after all fundamentally a reboot/remake Rather than continuation of existing lore).

It's legit to mine old game lore and tie-in media for hints as to what might be coming. I think it's important to maintain perspective, though. The Oresians/Klaxians thing doesn't fit too well with the goal of creating an alien species which feels "truly alien", as the devs have stated to be their goal with the Thargoids.

 

[Vasious]

Interesting idea OP
Definitely worth exploring

 

[Dutchman141]

The Oresians/Klaxians thing dates all the way back to 1984 Elite and The Dark Wheel. In that version of the Elite universe, every space station was like the Mos Eisley cantina scene - full of random goofy humanoid aliens. The "good" Thargoids were literally praying mantis people who hung out on the same stations and fraternized with humans and dozens of others "human, but with a funny forehead"-type alien races. The entire scenario smacks of Star Trek/Mass Effect style world building, which is something David Braben has said he very much wants to get away from in this iteration of the Elite universe (which is after all fundamentally a reboot/remake Rather than continuation of existing lore).

It's legit to mine old game lore and tie-in media for hints as to what might be coming. I think it's important to maintain perspective, though. The Oresians/Klaxians thing doesn't fit too well with the goal of creating an alien species which feels "truly alien", as the devs have stated to be their goal with the Thargoids.

Sadly I have to agree with you, I wouldn't mind a new iteration of the old Oresian vs Klaxian setting, and who knows what will happen.
Still I think that the Flowers aren't the same guys as those from the sites, don't ask me why, just a gutt feeling.
The guardians aren't realy from the original lore either so why not several species.

One thing I'm concerned about is us activating all those devices, I see a queen in that thing, surrounded by eggs, eggs that are alive, they pulsate wether the device is activated or not. I mean the eggs on the ceiling, not the white ones on the ground.
I've activated two of them, but it just doesn't feel right, there's nothing comforting in those sites and it feels like we shouldn't even be there.
FD gave us this interaction with the sites, but none of us knows to what end, peaceful? I don't think so personally.

 

[cmdrgaratmant]

I've activated two of them, but it just doesn't feel right, there's nothing comforting in those sites and it feels like we shouldn't even be there.
FD gave us this interaction with the sites, but none of us knows to what end, peaceful? I don't think so personally.

Is there a good thread in the forums with pictures showing the "eggs" and the "queen"?

Kudos to FDev for crafting a great mystery. It definitely feels believable.

 

[fus roh potato]

They are giant bugs. They dig a spot in the ground, build a nest, lay their eggs and then die to let scavengers continue to build. The process is similar to that seen in earwigs and some spiders. It's called Matriphagy.

 

[BurntJello]

Yes, I too noticed that there are objects at the alien base site that appear to be dead, once living, creature capital ships or something. (space whales?)

A screenshot of my SRV parked on what appeared to be a large weapon barrel on the top:

 

[CMDR Caderyn Abbadon]

Theres a video on YouTube about a really good theory on that damage you talked about.

if you watch the Scavengers, they are working on the ship. They go to the ground and scoop something, and then go to the "damage" and spray it. Like they are healing it.

The video author made a great observation: it's the mycoid virus that we used to kill them before. The Scavengers are healing the virus to allow the thargoid bio-ship to grow. If you look at the site from above, they all resemble the thargoid ships we've already seen, only much bigger. And seem to be "growing" out of the ground.

My guess is that these sites are the result of the barnacles. They eventually grow into motherships, and launch.

 

[subhouse07]

Theres a video on YouTube about a really good theory on that damage you talked about.

if you watch the Scavengers, they are working on the ship. They go to the ground and scoop something, and then go to the "damage" and spray it. Like they are healing it.

The video author made a great observation: it's the mycoid virus that we used to kill them before. The Scavengers are healing the virus to allow the thargoid bio-ship to grow. If you look at the site from above, they all resemble the thargoid ships we've already seen, only much bigger. And seem to be "growing" out of the ground.

My guess is that these sites are the result of the barnacles. They eventually grow into motherships, and launch.

From what I've seen, the scavengers do the opposite. They suck material off of these Leviathan things, then drip it onto little piles. You can look at the spots where they are harvesting material and the outer layer of the Leviathan will let be cracked/flaking off exposing a more raw or rusty metal type surface and it's usually glowing green in the spots where the scavengers are active.

I haven't noticed the scavengers doing the mouth beam thing anywhere other than on the Leviathans so I think their main function is to harvest whatever that material is and then....do something with it. Maybe it's used to promote the growth of the eggs inside the structure? The eggs hatch or get shot out into space or sucked up by the flower ships and when all the eggs are evacuated, we are left with the inactive site, main building no longer in use, Leviathans stripped down to skeletons, scavengers wandering around. Just a bunch of guesses

Still doesn't explain what the Leviathans are though. I also wonder why they are arranged in a spiral but slightly askew to the spiral of the thargoid structure? It's like they almost fit in with the thargoid structure but they're just off enough to make me think otherwise.

 

[MooDSWinG]

Is there a good thread in the forums with pictures showing the "eggs" and the "queen"?

Kudos to FDev for crafting a great mystery. It definitely feels believable.

Here ya go mate, the object in the centre is theorised to be a queen, if you look above it you can make out what looks like eggs in the ceiling too.

[video=youtube_share;2PP5M2mcoco]https://youtu.be/2PP5M2mcoco?t=3h3m1s[/video]

 

[Kaocraft]

From what I've seen, the scavengers do the opposite. They suck material off of these Leviathan things, then drip it onto little piles. You can look at the spots where they are harvesting material and the outer layer of the Leviathan will let be cracked/flaking off exposing a more raw or rusty metal type surface and it's usually glowing green in the spots where the scavengers are active.

I haven't noticed the scavengers doing the mouth beam thing anywhere other than on the Leviathans so I think their main function is to harvest whatever that material is and then....do something with it. Maybe it's used to promote the growth of the eggs inside the structure? The eggs hatch or get shot out into space or sucked up by the flower ships and when all the eggs are evacuated, we are left with the inactive site, main building no longer in use, Leviathans stripped down to skeletons, scavengers wandering around. Just a bunch of guesses

Still doesn't explain what the Leviathans are though. I also wonder why they are arranged in a spiral but slightly askew to the spiral of the thargoid structure? It's like they almost fit in with the thargoid structure but they're just off enough to make me think otherwise.

what I've observed is the scavengers go to the green mottled sites which look very similar to the damage markings on some of the "thargoid-destroyed" human ships. They address the site with their frontal "mouth" parts, producing a comeback of light and the appearance of something being sucked into them. Then they migrate to a pinkish mottled site usually nearby, hover over the spot, and kind of "shake their feathers" producing a pale discharge which drops straight down in ropey streams. Repeat. Can't tell if they're harvesting the green stuff and using it to patch in the red spots, or "repairing" the green area and dumping the processed material into the red areas, or what.

 

[StevieG]

what I've observed is the scavengers go to the green mottled sites which look very similar to the damage markings on some of the "thargoid-destroyed" human ships. T

So... do we agree the scavengers and flower/bumble bee are the same tech/race?

And do we agree they are repairing the same type of weapon discharge as we see at the cap ship attack that took out the palin convoy?

If you agree with this then watch the 2.4 trailer again.... The bumblebees are running away and being fired upon by the real threat.