The BGS doesn't explain why a CG would start with a lockdown imminent. I see, all cg's should start in a boom state. Then we can change the games name from elite dangerous to elite happy days. 
What was the point of locking down the Blackmount Outpost?
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Indeed.
That's why it'd be nice if FDev could ensure a CG can't just "accidentally" start in circumstances that don't make any sense.
At least, that way, people would know where they stand and what was going on.
In this case, it seems like the CG was only running for a few hours before the lockdown started.
If people did provoke the lockdown deliberately, all credit to them. Whatever they're doing, it's a helluva effective tactic.
If, OTOH, it was pending before the CG started, we're back to the game acting stupidly.
The BGS doesn't explain why a CG would start with a lockdown imminent. I see, all cg's should start in a boom state. Then we can change the games name from elite dangerous to elite happy days.
You're missing the point.
Fundamentally, the game has to be capable of simulating things in a sensible manner.
In this case, it's simulating a bunch of people starting a campaign to gather resources.
Those people aren't going to DO that if they were already aware that they also planned to suspend all trading in that station.
Some , many, players just want to ride the weekly gold train, and earn Crs, they dont care, or possibly even know, about tbe bigger picture of what is going on in Pleiades. They get upset when people derail the gold train and start threads about 'griefers'.
A few players are engaged with the story. A few of that few see a deceitful federation manipulating cmdrs and murdering innocent civilians, holding scientists hostage, and using its vast wealth to expand in to areas its doesnt belong in. And we've been fighting against this, not for the money, not for the glory, but because from a game play perspective, we see its the right thing to do. We've been routing the cap ship over Palin, we have no CG, nor any mechanic that can lead to success here, but again, done because we think its the right thing to do.
Im not a greifer, i dont pvp, and everything I have done in the game has meaningfull RP behind it. I spend a lot of my time out of the game building collaborative, inclusive community intended to have a positive impact on the game. The accusation that I am a greifer becuase I stand up against the most powerful superpower in the game, with wealth enough to mobilise thousands of player is ridiculous.
But, no saltiness from me, becuase, you know what? I, and a handleful of others like me, we've taken you all on, completely in the spirit of the game, and we're beating you!
To my fellow cmdrs in opposition, I salute you.
To my fellow cmdrs currently on the Federal Payroll, I say, spend a few minutes considering what you actions will bring beyond a paycheck to you. The opposition needs me pilots, Singularity needs more pilots.
A few players are engaged with the story. A few of that few see a deceitful federation manipulating cmdrs and murdering innocent civilians, holding scientists hostage, and using its vast wealth to expand in to areas its doesnt belong in. And we've been fighting against this, not for the money, not for the glory, but because from a game play perspective, we see its the right thing to do. We've been routing the cap ship over Palin, we have no CG, nor any mechanic that can lead to success here, but again, done because we think its the right thing to do.
Im not a greifer, i dont pvp, and everything I have done in the game has meaningfull RP behind it. I spend a lot of my time out of the game building collaborative, inclusive community intended to have a positive impact on the game. The accusation that I am a greifer becuase I stand up against the most powerful superpower in the game, with wealth enough to mobilise thousands of player is ridiculous.
But, no saltiness from me, becuase, you know what? I, and a handleful of others like me, we've taken you all on, completely in the spirit of the game, and we're beating you!
To my fellow cmdrs in opposition, I salute you.
To my fellow cmdrs currently on the Federal Payroll, I say, spend a few minutes considering what you actions will bring beyond a paycheck to you. The opposition needs me pilots, Singularity needs more pilots.
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True what you say .... there have been many good CGs [yesnod]
+1 rep .... hit the nail on the head
If that's what you're doing, and it's having the desired effect for your "team", good on 'ya. [up]
I actually agree with you when it comes to people saying "Wah! I can't make a heap of creditz cos teh CG is in lockdown!!!"
If that's what people are complaining about, they obviously don't understand that a lot of CGs involve opposing factions who will have opposing goals.
My complaint, however, is just that it's lousy AI for the game to allow a CG to start if a lockdown is already pending.
That's just sloppy programming in the same way that it'd be sloppy programming for an NPC ship to launch while another ship was right above it, or try and land on a pad where another ship was already parked.
The AI has decision-making capabilities and it has to try and make sensible decisions.
Deciding to start a CG in the knowledge that the station will be in lockdown is just lousy decision-making by the AI.
I've handed in 11 mil of bounties so far... No problem playing the combat CG. I had to ship my 8c Biweave down but it's made a change doing combat in the Cutter (even if it is a flying brick with the mass of a black hole). I've been playing pinball with the asteroids while boosting into condas and clippers
Good work Cmdr!
I think FD wants us to BH to remove the lockdown.
I'll be there to help as soon as my yard sale is over :|
Last I checked the lockdown was still in effect.
Top 10% in the BH CG... with all my cargo still in my Corvette's hold... waiting...
Edit: lockdown over!
Top 10% in the BH CG... with all my cargo still in my Corvette's hold... waiting...
Edit: lockdown over!
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If the feds need to start a project now, they need to start it now. Why should they wait for a convenient moment for players to earn craptons of money? Why not earn it by lifting the lockdown first?
If they need to start a project at all, they need to maximise the likelihood of it succeeding. Which would mean NOT starting it in the knowledge that trading at the station would be suspended for part of the project's operational time.
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If NPC ships crashed into each other during launch and landing, you could excuse it with the same "It's cos they need to do it now" argument.
In reality, it'd still just be halfassed AI decision-making though.
Same thing applies here.
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Just to be clear JohnRoberts, are you saying you (or Singularity) played a role in triggering the lockdown? ATM we have Beseiger (AKA Harry Potter?) implying he was responsible and did it for no particular reason. If it was Singularity, was the end-game simply we hate the Feds or something more meaningful?
..and as regards everyone else, thanks for your comments. Myself, I don't have a problem with the lockdown (now gone I gather) even though I lost my Python to the re-buy screen trying to bounty hunt - may even go back with a cheaper ship
More interested in the thinking behind it. Nice to see ED ramping up with some engaging game play.
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Congrats on getting the lockdown lifted quickly !
Found a couple of very lucrative missions to ferry precious metals a couple of hundred lyrs (about 3 million for the two) .... remember to take a look at the mission board
Found a couple of very lucrative missions to ferry precious metals a couple of hundred lyrs (about 3 million for the two) .... remember to take a look at the mission board
Just to be clear JohnRoberts, are you saying you (or Singularity) played a role in triggering the lockdown? ATM we have Beseiger (AKA Harry Potter?) implying he was responsible and did it for no particular reason. If it was Singularity, was the end-game simply we hate the Feds or something more meaningful?
..and as regards everyone else, thanks for your comments. Myself, I don't have a problem with the lockdown (now gone I gather) even though I lost my Python to the re-buy screen trying to bounty hunt - may even go back with a cheaper ship
I honestly dont know if Singularity triggered to Lockdown or not. Weve working against specifically Pleiades Resource Enterprise in other systems nearby, with a lot of hostile actions in Maia also leading to a lockdown there. When I first saw the CG, I went immediately to that system, and it was already in lockdown. However we intended to keep it in lockdown as long as possible, but seems the lure of credits means we a drastically outnumbered.
There is more to it then 'we hate the feds'. Our specific goals are to have the federal capital ship removed the Palin Research, and get the final Thargoid base system permit lock removed. (This is where the megaship Overlook is understood to be, a PRE vessel).
There is no mechanic to make these things happen. Just as with Scarlet Ashcrofts mission against Wreaken to get the Col70 system permit lock removed, it being done because we want contrubute to the story, and in the hope that if we can build enough awareness, FDev might take note.
As it seems the lockdown is ended (we havent given up, but) it looks like the CG will complete, people will get there money, feds get yet another outpost, and its yet another set back for us. But, maybe the whole lockdown thing might make a few more people thiink about whats going on, and join us.
Also the be very clear, Im not in anyway angry or salty. We picked a side in a multiplayer game, and other people picked their side. It a game, and we're having fun.
CGs do seem a bit of crude way to drive the story, because there is a large number of people who will follow the money, and to few will stand against without, well, payment.
It gets a bit off-topic, but unfortunately that's pretty much the status-quo at the moment. Just gotta look at some (definitely not all, but some) opinions about the upcoming C&P karma changes being that people should *only* be punished for doing "bad things", instead of actually offering a balance between risk and reward. Likewise, just look at the fact being hostile to a faction does literally nothing but punish you... even if you're to bring down a faction in control, being allied with that faction is the best and only way to do it.
There needs to be rewards for doing the "wrong" thing, otherwise you just get a homogenous "Everyone is green with everyone" environment, and CG's are no different in that regard.
That sort of behaviour seems entirely normal for large (and somewhat corrupt) bureaucracies such as the Federation.
Chances are no-one had completed Form FED-1773a-LE-SC-07.228.117 ("Authorisation of Distribution List Change for Security Notifications") since the last staffing rotation. I'm sure it'll all come out in the 6-year enquiry into the incident. (Due to the "Payment of Enquiry Subcontractors: Authorised Pay Bands per Word Regulation 3288", all enquiries are extremely thorough and no stone will be left undocumented, I can assure you)
Has a single community goal failed, yet? Shouldn't reaching tier 1 result in a successful CG? I can't see how it can be opposed then, it just adds a nice narrative for some role players but has no further implications. Maybe we'll have some real competitive CGs in the future. Say the Federation and Imperials want to construct a base and the faction with the highest reached tier actually constructs it, while the other faction gets nothing.
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Rare, but yes, it happens.
- a lot of the Cerberus Plague ones failed.
- there have been some opposed pairs (often CZs) where the losing side might get a payout but doesn't get any story benefits
- technically all the Colonia Expansion Initiative rares CGs "failed" as they had a near-infinite target, but they weren't really CGs
- a few others I can't remember now
There have also been a few CGs - especially of the station construction type - where they'd reached Tier 1 (so station gets constructed) but not maximum tier (so it has a rather sparse set of facilities) and it certainly couldn't be said to be a complete success.