Elite: Carebear
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Mainly because it is not an easy thing to implement despite many players thinking that it is. Also they see no reason to do so at this time.
Youngsters!
Funny how other mmo's manage this supposed impossible feat of having the choice of pve or pvp servers then. Also funny how everyone that does this the pve population far outweighs the pvp population, and the devs have confirmed the same here, with pvp players being the minority.
Call me a Don't Care Bear. https://goo.gl/NOy2ZS
I play in Solo because PvP *bores* me. See you there, or maybe not.
Cheers, Phos.
I play in Solo because PvP *bores* me. See you there, or maybe not.
Cheers, Phos.
Indeed, and that's why anyone saying the word instantly lose any form of credibility. Blaming people wanting do dodge the "danger" and in the mean time hiding when upgrading their dear murder machine, such irony
There is a lot of toxicity going on in the PvP community, arrogant people bragging on youtube when there is absolutely nothing to be proud of, the whole religion about "salt extraction" and so on. Some things i see on the CGI discord sometimes make me want to bang my head against a wall.
May i dare make an assumption: toxicity levels seem to increase in presence of Eve online players, but maybe it's just my imagination... or something bad is speading / phasing in Elite
It's quite an amusing thing to use as an insult when you stop to think about it. "You like cooperating with other people and having generally pleasant social contact with them? How uncool, real tough guys like hurting people".
It's like a teenager's entire edgy nihilistic phase distilled into a single word.
It's like a teenager's entire edgy nihilistic phase distilled into a single word.
I'm a dog.
With all the recent threads about PvP, PvE, Open, Solo, Blocking, CLogging and Logout timers fighting on forums seems to be a thing again. As usual, everyone who prefers to not get randomly shot at for no apparent reason is getting called carebear, coward and special snowflake. There are also remarks about hiding in solo, the game being called Elite: Dangerous, a cut throat galaxy, people fearing the risk and playing as advertised. I think I have named them all.
The goal always seems to be to get traders in Open and to have them stay and fight when they get attacked. Or to discredit someone's argument. But if the best argument is that people should fear no risk, that they should be no carebears, why is it that you always chose to attack the weakest? You only fight if you have nothing to fear, isn't that exactly what you accuse them of?
I have no problem with people playing pirates and traders or cops and robbers. But if you want to insult others for their preferred playstyle you should look who is talking, carebear
My experience is that it's mostly a waste of time bothering responding to this sort of thing. A good portion of this forum will reduce me, or anyone defending the merits of PvP, to a sociopath murderhobo regardless of what I offer. I can link you to data (thanks for the bot RoA) showing that most of what pvp'ers do is in house organized fights. That's 223 deaths for me since October 10th, and you can see they're from in-house or organized fights with SDC, AA, RNG, RoA, RSM, 13th, 51th, PalCon, GCI randoms, EIC, Delta, etc etc. People who want to PvP. But someone here will invariably reduce the argument to SDC names being on there and everyone's probably cheating, and it'll get distorted beyond belief. I'll likely get a no-skill ganker comment in return. This is my experience. I've linked the rules, videos, loads of information in general on the PvP League, and despite the fact that the Season 3 made huge efforts to make it immensely fair with rule enforcement in place - what comes in response? A wave of posts about hacked modules... when the fights are in stock ships! You just can't fight it, people here are decided and fully polarized.
This seems off point from your contention, but I mean, just look at what you've said. The goal is to get traders into open to gank them? You really feel comfortable condemning all of the posts on those points you mentioned to this? It's amazing. And I will read as you are fortified by the numerous others that will simply prop this sentiment up.
It's a waste of time.
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Last I checked there was a PVE mode and it's called Mobius.
I know what I'm getting into when I play Open, and would not begrude anyone that ones to blast me to smithereens for the fun of it. But everyone flies these 1 billion credit engineered ships and that's why open is terrifying to them.
I just fly junkers and it's more fun that way. No matter what mode.
I know what I'm getting into when I play Open, and would not begrude anyone that ones to blast me to smithereens for the fun of it. But everyone flies these 1 billion credit engineered ships and that's why open is terrifying to them.
I just fly junkers and it's more fun that way. No matter what mode.
I dont think anyone has a problem with PvP players getting together and duking it out. In fact I would imagine thats most peoples preference. Its seal clubbers that get peoples backs up from what I've seen.
Why do you people keep bringing this up like it somehow means anything? Of course the pve population far outweighs the pvp population: the pvp population is a subset of the pve population.
There's no need for a mode dedicated to pve considering 99% of the game, even in Open, is pve already.
If a significant fraction of the PvP community didn't also grief and (previously) cheat, people wouldn't call them griefers and cheaters. Blame the rotten members of your own community for tarnishing what could have been a good reputation.
PvP players regularly talk about how PvE players need to accept the consequences for their decisions about how they play. Well the same is true for PvP players. They collectively chose to accept griefers and cheaters as members of their community, and what was sown is now being reaped.
Don't get me wrong, it's unfair as all hell for the PvP players who don't want their community to be that way. There are PvP players I like and respect, and I'm genuinely disappointed that they have to constantly defend their playstyle. But it is what it is.
The only time I lump PvPers in with the HoBro's is when the PvPer's line up and defend the actions of the HoBro's. Kneejerk like because of the "Us v. Them" lines drawn. PvP Good. PvP Bad. HoBro's are the guys that seal club, station ram, and shoot torps into stations. Not the guys defending systems, and prosecuting PP duels. And, they are only HoBro's while they are doing HoBro things. I lived among AA for a while, I'm not anti-PvP. I just don;t want PvP to dominate the rule set, and I defend the Private Group portion on the player base, in so far as I can.
If the whole is going to count PvP driven by 'out-of-game' motivations as more important than a balanced relationship between the players and their roles, the whole will have to suffer the reputation open has given itself. Where there's smoke, there is fire.
If we could get a portion of the respected PvP community come on here and denounce the negative behavior, rather than just shoot at the miscreants. The distinction would be clearer. Not your lawful enemies, the guys who bring play down to pops.
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What community? Players taking part in PvP aren't a community: they're just players who sometimes interract in an adversarial manner with other players. It's not like you take a test of admission and then receive a "PvP player" card which suddenly means you 'accept' (like you have any choice?) every action taken by another player who also doesn't shy away from shooting CMDRs.
When my integrity and value as a human being is questioned, when I'm called a griefer for daring to defend players playing the game as designed, should I blame SDC? SDC aren't the ones throwing the insults (I mean they are, but they're only responsible for their insults) . And back in 2015, before SDC and rampant killings were even a thing, when I was regulaly called a sociopath (like it's somehow okay to use that handicap as an insult) because I defended (and took part in) piracy - the very same piracy everybody these days seems to claim they are totally okay with (it's not hard to be okay with a thing when you've virtually run it into the ground with rampant cheating) - whose fault was that? Can we somehow retroactively pin this on "the pvp community accepting griefers" too?
No. Players are responsible for their own deeds and those only. Anything else you wish to blame a player for is probably just agenda-driven.
I resent that comment. In an average night playing Elite I risk heart disease, lung cancer and liver cirrhosis. Probably some others I've forgotten.
Just today i racked up over 30 kills. From Harmless to Elite. Cobra to Corvette. I did not discriminate. Target is a target.
All that said. Let's be honest. Players that lean Pro-PVE are the most outspoken and those most likely to name call.
For instance. I have been called , , murder hobo, sociopath, psychopath, and griefer.
I am just playing the game as intended. If i had a dollar for each time i was name called for playing within the rules this game would have been free and it would probably have funded my new processor.
If i got a dollar for each time i was name called by a player who also combat logged i would have got this game for free as well.
PVE players are more likely to cheat with combat logs than the rest of the players.
All that said. Let's be honest. Players that lean Pro-PVE are the most outspoken and those most likely to name call.
For instance. I have been called , , murder hobo, sociopath, psychopath, and griefer.
I am just playing the game as intended. If i had a dollar for each time i was name called for playing within the rules this game would have been free and it would probably have funded my new processor.
If i got a dollar for each time i was name called by a player who also combat logged i would have got this game for free as well.
PVE players are more likely to cheat with combat logs than the rest of the players.
So much noise but one thing remains clear. Frontier believes in the modes we have now and any changes would likely happen to strengthen their current philosophy.
Meanwhile, folks go on about their paths...playing however they play for whatever reasons. (personally, I like a little bit of everything)
Resume noise.
Meanwhile, folks go on about their paths...playing however they play for whatever reasons. (personally, I like a little bit of everything)
Resume noise.
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