When the s invaded the Netherlands, countries like the UK, Ireland, Canada, the US and Australia welcomed our refugees. Did any of my people commit (serious) crimes? Most assuredly. Was it worth it? From my perspective, yes. It would be absurdly hypocritical to reverse my stance when the refugees are other people.
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When the s invaded the Netherlands, countries like the UK, Ireland, Canada, the US and Australia welcomed our refugees. Did any of my people commit (serious) crimes? Most assuredly. Was it worth it? From my perspective, yes. It would be absurdly hypocritical to reverse my stance when the refugees are other people.
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Sleut said the no-no word.
Why not just skip him entirely and go directly to sane sources?
http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890
Most scientific studies come to the same conclusions. Refugees, even though they speak a different language, are simply not more likely to , plunder, murder or whatever. Yes, having more people will lead to more crime. But if thats one's stance one should be every bit as much against a pregnant 'local' woman as against a refugee.
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Well, he makes points! Just because something is propagandized does not mean that there isn't truth in it. PETA might be a bunch of whacko nutjobs, but that doesn't mean that unacceptable levels of animal cruelty don't exist and shouldn't be addressed.
See what I'm saying?
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Lol, I have no clue which one it was. Help a foreigner out here please.
The one that starts with an N and ends with an I and has an AZ in the middle
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That's interesting. I was at this site earlier and it had a conflicting story. Can't remember what I was looking up though.
The one that starts with an N and ends with an I and has an AZ in the middle
Ha, I seriously went through my post before the lightbulb turned on. Too much wine for Sleuty I fear.
To be sure, didnt mean it as a Godwin. All I mean is that last time we were refugees, other countries bailed our behinds out without treating us as criminals. Even though some of us, as with every people, were. So from my perspective, a people that was treated well as refugees should treat other refugees well. The American people dont have the experience of being a refugee or having their country invaded and bombed, thankfully, but it might skew perspectives a bit.Deleted member 115407
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Ha, I seriously went through my post before the lightbulb turned on. Too much wine for Sleuty I fear.
Well I have to run, but virtual rep since I'm fresh out of real rep.
The only real reason I need is that ISIS themselves said they would get operatives abroad using the stream of refugees. If the horse's mouth isn't good enough...
So out of curiosity, you personally believe that ISIS speaks for refugees, is honest and trustworthy? And that it trumps facts, statistics and science? So when someone asks for actual arguments you think it is okay to say "But ISIS said so!"? Thats a thought that actually exists within your mind? [haha]
Oh no, ISIS said something.
They claim responsibility when a bag of rice in China topples over if it helps them. Your car was stolen? ISIS say they were it. Someone used your toothbrush? Guess who?
ISIS is not a reliable source, especially not when it comes to making strategies and plans public. It's a complete plan anyways. They already have their a-holes here. 'Homegrown' terrorists, recruited and radicalized via the internet. There is no need to send fighters in a refugee wave where a billion things can happen to them until they're here.
The only thing that statement of ISIS should do is make you insecure and more hostile towards those refugees. For the sole purpose of countries shutting them out, putting them in camps, pointing weapons at them. Because they're much easier to recruit when they feel lost, abandoned and unwanted.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-operatives-arrested-germany-refugee-shelters
http://www.politico.eu/article/german-intelligence-warns-of-is-hit-squads-among-refugees/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/29/isis-finds-success-infiltrating-terrorists-into-re/
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...chleswig-holstein-suspected-isis-link-n647271
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eu...refugees-reach-europe-german-official-n603366
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-attack-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html
I tend to believe them, yes. The Germans certainly think they are.
Look, this is just where we differ. Well, we probably differ on a great many things, but...
You seem to believe a degree of risk is acceptable. I don't. I feel when there is risk involved, or even the possibility, I value the concerns and lives of my countrymen highest.
Three suspects arrested out of how many?
Sorry, but I could handle 3 ISIS idiots living in my street, an entire country can handle it I am sure.
As soon as we start treating ISIS like the weather and just shrugging our shoulders and getting on with it the sooner this terrorism crap will just go away.
All that said, even if they were a serious threat, we should not turn away refugees. They desperately need our help, no doubt at all. We either help or sacrifice our humanity and create a new generation of people who have every reason to hate the West.
Why? Your "countrymen" are just people who's mothers happened to have been in a similar geographic location to you when they were born. That's hardly important is it?
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Now you quote western intelligence agencies. The question I asked you was whether you find ISIS a trustworthy source, not whether you find western intelligence agencies a trustworthy source.
But this is going nowhere. You seem personally in favor of letting tens of thousands of refugees suffer profoundly, often from regions that collapsed due to activities from your own government, because you are scared of the potential number of victims even when statistics show they pale in comparison to things like gun violence and poor healthcare. I am grateful your ancestors were braver than that, and proud our people think differently as well. But to each his own of course.
I am glad you support gun control reform and further investments in universal health care.
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There is no possible scenario without risk. A degree of risk must be acceptable or else there would be no way for anyone to do anything.
We have capable intelligence services and capable security forces and not taking in refugees does not lower the threat of terrorism.
Take a good look at the US and the UK. Both have strict vetting in place. Yet we've seen repeated terror attacks on US and british soil. So separate yourself from the illusion that it's anywhere possible to lock terrorists out.
The whole thing is rather frustrating, because there are 'real' refugee's and what I would call economical immigrants, so yeah, there are very bad apple's amongst the refugee's and unfortunately, it is often the large group of single men that arrive, you see comparatively few groups families, women/children, do I know refugee's that actually work to fit into the new place they have arrived, sure, but I've also seen the other side of it, and the first do not particularly enjoy the second group, those that bring trouble, the first group want a new life. The second group, who knows.
The problem is, how do you filter that? because bad apple's arrive with families and without, the real refugee's if you will, how do you only let them through? vetting can only do so much when 'papers' are easily forged or simply 'lost'
But all that said, especially america, has a LOT worse problems then refugee's/immigrants, Europe is having issues, yes, but population wise, the countries of Europe are also small, and take in large amounts of refugee's, but yeah, it comes down to how do you sort through people to find out the real reason they are in a country?
The problem is, how do you filter that? because bad apple's arrive with families and without, the real refugee's if you will, how do you only let them through? vetting can only do so much when 'papers' are easily forged or simply 'lost'
But all that said, especially america, has a LOT worse problems then refugee's/immigrants, Europe is having issues, yes, but population wise, the countries of Europe are also small, and take in large amounts of refugee's, but yeah, it comes down to how do you sort through people to find out the real reason they are in a country?
And having civilians slaughtered at 4x the rate as last year:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ons-barack-obama-administration-a7844526.html
Yep.
Well they're already radicalized, ISIS simply exploit that and give them an outlet.
Anyone genuinely interested should read this. It's well worth your time.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/heres-isiss-insane-terrorism-playbook/
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