General / Off-Topic Trump: Legal Issues (was The Testimony of James Comey)

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The 'wild speculation and hyperbole' regarding this translator seems to originate with Breitbart.

Whether a crime was committed or not is up to a court to decide. I think that much should be clear.
And I guess it's simply too much 'nuance' to differentiate between actual unfounded speculation in regards to some contractor and a pretty solid Don Jr. coming from "I didn't meet 'russians' ... except for that one time with that one lady but that's it ... except for the other 4 guys in the room".

If that idiot would be in court under oath, that would actually be perjury.
You can always claim to not remember the exact circumstances for events that are month ago, but Don Jr. is almost painful to watch in his ineptness.

And I applaud anyone who can watch that and think the country is well run. You sirs, are true patriots.
 
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Minonian

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The 'wild speculation and hyperbole' regarding this translator seems to originate with Breitbart.
Do you know what i'm seeing on them? They are panicking, and as a result trying all the wrong moves one more time, in hope it's makes a difference.
Well... Too late for that, we are already past over the tipping point. I can only suggest to keep pushing because the chance of victory does not equals the battle already won.
That's still ahead of us.

And right now what i can do is somewhat limited.

Another miscalculation to take down the "queen" / temporarily disable it if you can it can be a trap, and can reveal your methods and intentions. And i found the latest ill mannered and wanting alongside withe everyone whom watching us. Serious mistake!
 
The truth about Trump meeting Putin at G20 conference :p :
[video=youtube;_UpTOfgUchI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UpTOfgUchI[/video]
(too bad I couldn't find a subtitled version, but the dominance dynamics should be clear enough [haha])
Jump to 3:30 or thereabouts for Putin's entrance.
 
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Whether a crime was committed or not is up to a court to decide. I think that much should be clear.
And I guess it's simply too much 'nuance' to differentiate between actual unfounded speculation in regards to some contractor and a pretty solid Don Jr. coming from "I didn't meet 'russians' ... except for that one time with that one lady but that's it ... except for the other 4 guys in the room".

If that idiot would be in court under oath, that would actually be perjury.
You can always claim to not remember the exact circumstances for events that are month ago, but Don Jr. is almost painful to watch in his ineptness.

And I applaud anyone who can watch that and think the country is well run. You sirs, are true patriots.

Don Jr. has never been elected to anything and has never been a Federal employee. He has no more authority to decide any government policy than I do.
 
So what's the urgent need again to fly to his own golf ressorts on tax payers costs then?

Getting elected POTUS isn't joining a monastery, you're quite right there. But it's changing your home to the white house and placing your own needs and demands behind those of the nations. Something I can't see Trump doing.

Remember this quote?

Lefties never understand humor. That's what started all the non-sense in the first place.

"Maybe the Russians can find her emails."

From a one-liner to treason in the press.

Funny stuff
 
Lefties never understand humor. That's what started all the non-sense in the first place.

"Maybe the Russians can find her emails."

From a one-liner to treason in the press.

Funny stuff

a) I'm not a 'leftie'.

b) You're leaning yourself pretty far out of the window by saying that this quote was 'humour'.

c) Fight your strawmen somewhere else, I'm not on about Hillary, the Russians or treason.
 
a) I'm not a 'leftie'.

b) You're leaning yourself pretty far out of the window by saying that this quote was 'humour'.

c) Fight your strawmen somewhere else, I'm not on about Hillary, the Russians or treason.

LOL - you're killin me - my sides hurt. :D
 
"Nothing to see here, move along..."

So you're not even curious as to who might have compensated the translator for something that was made such a big thing out of?

So NOW you think there's a conspiracy. [haha][haha]

Let's break this down a bit.

The Trump team meets with the Russians to exchange espionage info to sway an American election.
You suspect ... the Translator. [haha]

Comparable to- the guy taking photos for the police at a crime scene is a very suspicious man, with a strong interest in the crime?
But maybe he's a spy translator, like the guy in The Accountant.

Let's break it down:
Somebody suspicious paid The Translator. <- all italics like the Accountant.
NOT the people he's actually translating FOR. ( How does he explain to them that they don't have to pay? Hey, you have a secret meeting? Let me translate for you, for free. Yeah, not suspicious at all.)

Let's imagine that we get past that.
So The Translator is working for somebody on the left?
HOW do they get the Russians to pick that specific translator?

Let's say the evil left used the Mentalist to sway the choice of the Russians.
They pick him. They get past the payment problem. They take him to the secret meeting to destroy Hillary, which Hillary is helping by supplying the Translation at presumably her cost.


So - That means that the left must therefore have ALL the details of the meeting, from BOTH sides.
Because the ONLY person who could understand both sides of that meeting is ...The Translator!! Dun dun dun.

But instead of nailing the Trumps with the records of the meeting, which should sink his bid, they decide to woffle for a YEAR, lose the election, and then try to indirectly start an investigation into a crime that they knew about all along?

A master plan.

But let's say that it's ALL TRUE.

How does that ameliorate in ANY way, the behaviour of the Trump team and the Russians?

Please explain the theory you are operating under. I cannot figure it out, and I really want to understand how it might work.
 
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a) I'm not a 'leftie'.

b) You're leaning yourself pretty far out of the window by saying that this quote was 'humour'.

c) Fight your strawmen somewhere else, I'm not on about Hillary, the Russians or treason.

GJ51 is correct though, which is why most famous stand-up comedians are conservative rifht-wing folks. :p

So NOW you think there's a conspiracy. [haha][haha]

Let's break this down a bit.

The Trump team meets with the Russians to exchange espionage info to sway an American election.
You suspect ... the Translator. [haha]

Comparable to- the guy taking photos for the police at a crime scene is a very suspicious man, with a strong interest in the crime?
But maybe he's a spy translator, like the guy in The Accountant.

Let's break it down:
Somebody suspicious paid The Translator. <- all italics like the Accountant.
NOT the people he's actually translating FOR. ( How does he explain to them that they don't have to pay? Hey, you have a secret meeting? Let me translate for you, for free. Yeah, not suspicious at all.)

Let's imagine that we get past that.
So The Translator is working for somebody on the left?

So - That means that the left must therefore have ALL the details of the meeting, from BOTH sides.
Because the ONLY person who could understand both sides of that meeting is ...The Translator!! Dun dun dun.

But instead of nailing the Trumps with the records of the meeting, which should sink his bid, they decide to woffle for a YEAR, lose the election, and then try to indirectly start an investigation into a crime that they knew about all along?

A master plan.

But let's say that it's ALL TRUE.

How does that ameliorate in ANY way, the behaviour of the Trump team and the Russians?

Please explain the theory you are operating under. I cannot figure it out, and I really want to understand how it might work.

I'll explain it:

Hillary did it. Lock her up!
 
So NOW you think there's a conspiracy. [haha][haha]

I merely said that I think it's plausible.

There are certainly some curious and obvious things that went on as soon as Trump got the nomination and immediately after the election that seem to beg the possibility. Of course, I don't expect anyone here or in the press to see the obvious.

The only criminal activity we are certain of is all the leaking of classified information that no one seems to think should be investigated.
 
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I merely said that I think it's plausible.

There are certainly some curious and obvious things that went on as soon as Trump got the nomination and immediately after the election that seem to beg the possibility. Of course, I don't expect anyone here or in the press to see the obvious.

The only criminal activity we are certain of is all the leaking of classified information that no one seems to think should be investigated.

Man, there's ONE person here who cannot see the obvious.
It's like you're driving with a flat, and everybody else can tell.
 
So, he was under oath?

I missed that somehow...

That's not the prerequisite for being a witness.
Are you implying that lying is somehow ok when it's not under oath?

Comey, just to swing back to the topic, called Trump "a liar" while under oath himself.
That somehow doesn't seem to compute, either.
 
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So NOW you think there's a conspiracy. [haha][haha]

Let's break this down a bit.

The Trump team meets with the Russians to exchange espionage info to sway an American election.
You suspect ... the Translator. [haha]

Comparable to- the guy taking photos for the police at a crime scene is a very suspicious man, with a strong interest in the crime?
But maybe he's a spy translator, like the guy in The Accountant.

Let's break it down:
Somebody suspicious paid The Translator. <- all italics like the Accountant.
NOT the people he's actually translating FOR. ( How does he explain to them that they don't have to pay? Hey, you have a secret meeting? Let me translate for you, for free. Yeah, not suspicious at all.)

Let's imagine that we get past that.
So The Translator is working for somebody on the left?
HOW do they get the Russians to pick that specific translator?

Let's say the evil left used the Mentalist to sway the choice of the Russians.
They pick him. They get past the payment problem. They take him to the secret meeting to destroy Hillary, which Hillary is helping by supplying the Translation at presumably her cost.


So - That means that the left must therefore have ALL the details of the meeting, from BOTH sides.
Because the ONLY person who could understand both sides of that meeting is ...The Translator!! Dun dun dun.

But instead of nailing the Trumps with the records of the meeting, which should sink his bid, they decide to woffle for a YEAR, lose the election, and then try to indirectly start an investigation into a crime that they knew about all along?

A master plan.

But let's say that it's ALL TRUE.

How does that ameliorate in ANY way, the behaviour of the Trump team and the Russians?

Please explain the theory you are operating under. I cannot figure it out, and I really want to understand how it might work.

So you have some evidence that the translator was NOT paid?

The meeting at Trump Tower was ill-advised at best, politically.

What is the evidence of what statute was violated?

The only criminal statute for Collusion in US Code is a financial violation regarding market activities. There is no such thing as political collusion as a criminal statute.

There is still no demonstrated quid pro quo that anything of value was exchanged between the attendees of the meeting. To the contrary, the only information we've seen in the public domain contends exactly the opposite. That is. the participants from the Trump camp dismissed the whole incident as bizzare and confused and not even remotely related to opposition research as claimed.

Ask yourself, "What if they Trump campaign had been presented with incontrovertible proof of felonious activity by Clinton or anyone in her employ?"

Should that information be suppressed because it came from a foreign source?

What if Ukraine had provided HRC with evidence of criminal activity by Trump? Should that be suppressed?

Why does everyone here seem to only like one way streets?

Where does it say that opposition research from foreign countries is illegal? Should the perpetrators of the fake dossier from the UK be prosecuted?
 
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The Right's continued obsession with tying anything they can to Hillary cannot be explained.
She is no longer a political threat. What is the point of the effort?

And how brain damaged do you have to be to make a claim that Hillary is somehow involved in a meeting between the Trumps and the Russians when the POINT of the meeting is to defeat Hillary, by conspiracy, criminal theft of files, and espionage against the USA?

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I freely admit, that once more I have overestimated the basic intelligence of the bottom 1/3 of the population. Of COURSE this would be completely acceptable to that audience. Why wouldn't it be?

Its about framing. A substantial core part of the Trump voters is (evangelical) Christianity and US exceptionalism. Its a binary way of thinking, us vs them, good vs evil. When these are your backers, you need to frame anything in that light. In this case: Trump=Successful and Good, Hillary = Incompetent & Evil. Anything Evil happens? It was Clinton. Anything Good happens? It was Trump. Doublethink is fine: There was no meeting, and at the non-existent meeting there were Russians, which noone knew, except Hillary Clinton. Because she is evil. These are people convinced global warming doesnt exist and angels exist on earth. Recipe: never back down, never apologize, never admit being wrong about anything, admit no shades of grey, nuance or complexity, keep it simple, keep attacking. Works all over the world, and the US in no exception.
 

Minonian

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LOL - you're killin me - my sides hurt. :D

Yeah... :) You are desperate.

BTW, Can you tell me what's worth more?
Win the game, or apply water vapor to the burn?

Checkmate!
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