Time for Frontier to Send a Lawsuit?

So, I saw Valerian last night. In it, the main character uses the "Lexus SKYJET," a single-person fighter vessel.

Something seemed fishy to me though. Here's a picture of it:


Look familiar? It does to me....

*cough cough*


If I'm Frontier, I'm dusting off the letterhead and finding the address of the production studios.
If so, then Mezieres should sue Star Wars. The design of Millennium Falcon predates Star Wars in the comic book, and many other concepts. The comic books are from the 60's and forward. A truckload of sci-fi ideas were introduced in the Valerian series before any other. Many sci-fi artists and movie makers have been influenced by him, and producers have hired him for conceptual art (like Fifth Element for instance).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Valerian_Astroship.jpg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/a15532/heres-what-star-wars-took-from-valerian/

[url]http://www.europecomics.com/a-model-for-star-wars/


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That's (thankfully) not the way it works. Nobody owns broad concepts like white, curvy spaceships with wings and control surfaces. Especially when everything aside from the colour is also a practical attribute for atmospheric flight.

It would have to be essentially identical to an ED ship to be an issue.
 
Science fiction in movies is really poor these days, SCI - FI equals non stop explosions, action stuff and CGI starships designed to visually impress us without giving us any actual reason for any of it existing.

I haven't seen valerian though but do like the look of it :)
 
So, I saw Valerian last night. In it, the main character uses the "Lexus SKYJET," a single-person fighter vessel.

Something seemed fishy to me though. Here's a picture of it:

https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/116739218390122498/338712941174194176/unknown.png

Look familiar? It does to me....

*cough cough*

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/116739218390122498/338713138373328896/2000.png

If I'm Frontier, I'm dusting off the letterhead and finding the address of the production studios.

Just one Commander's thoughts, though.

Fly on, and don't shoot the Thargoids.

Makes me wonder if this is the new game they are working on.
 
The only people who need to be sending a law suit to Valerian are Bioware.

Seriously. Valerian is just a really poorly made Mass Effect movie.

http://i.imgur.com/318Js7s.jpg


Nice try but the law suit may go the other way...

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Valerian comic image + movie suit. I'd say it's Bioware showing no original ideas again.

As for those who did not like it... I did, thought it was better than almost every other SciFi movie I've seen.
 
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What do you mean a law suit is approaching!?!

I don't think Frontier has much to worry about here. In fact if anyone is going to sue everybody else, it would be Universal. They created a series "some time ago" that was totally ripped off! :D
[video=youtube;A8BFrd1ckSw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8BFrd1ckSw[/video]
Oh! And I love to see a ship from this series in Elite, complete with sparklers as it's rocket exhaust! :eek:
 
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I don't think there is a suit here. And I don't like the way society-at-large gravitates to a litigation culture.

If the ship were identical - which it isn't any more than a Lexus is identical to a BMW: yes - I suppose there might be a case in one or more of the legal jurisdictions of this planet. But where is the real injury?

1) Valerian - is unlikely to have profited - not a comment on whether the film is good, it's just extremely expensively made with, so far, less than stellar box office returns - would Frontier wish for a share of the losses? I suppose it might have made slightly less of a loss...
2) If Valerian is the source, and Frontier copied them from the comics, yes I suppose there might be a case, but on the other hand the use of similar looking art might have helped get more people interested in the film property - that is Valerian might make slightly less loss - free promotion of Valerian by Frontier - and someone ought to be weighing the net of this before lawyers all get a pay-check

Neither party really loses in either case - just whether one wants to get greedy or not. Ah, but that's the rub, isn't it?

Now if the design was actually owned by a penniless individual who had NOT received precious royalties for giving many many fans joy - then that's something worth exposing. Is that the case? No. There probably is a poor man or woman responsible for the design, who didn't realise they signed away the intellectual property ownership of the said design in exchange for a mediocre pay-check. Such is life...

Either way, the ships don't look identical, or anywhere close enough - so there is no case. They both, however, do look beautiful in my opinion.
 
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If so, then Mezieres should sue Star Wars.

hopefully the OP was not being serious. I suspect is more of a convergent evolution kind of thing.

ichthyosaurus looks a lot like a dolphin despite having no relation to each other at all.

Equally, the designers probably sat down and thought, I want to design a futuristic vessel which has certain recognisable characteristics from stuff we have today - which is the same thought process behind some of the elite dangerous ships - and therefore came up with similar designs independantly.

but that said if you want to talk about similarities.

our discovery scanner honk...... listen to that then watch starwars episode 2 AOTC seismic charge sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erFcYsC6JaY

i nfact this gives me an idea for a silly suggestion post :)
 
No. It is not good. At all.

Call it a rental and save yourself the hassle of going to the cinema.

Is it not? That's a pity, looked like it had a lot going for it.

As for the similar front end of the Skyjet. It looks more like a case of convergent evolution. Designing a ship to do similar roles and it turns out similar. I think I prefer it's design actually lol.
 
hopefully the OP was not being serious. I suspect is more of a convergent evolution kind of thing.

ichthyosaurus looks a lot like a dolphin despite having no relation to each other at all.

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Or for (Un)intelligent Design believers, God may have run out of ideas and used the same template? [Oh wait - there were no dinosaurs...? I've forgotten what the argument was]
 
If so, then Mezieres should sue Star Wars. The design of Millennium Falcon predates Star Wars in the comic book, and many other concepts. The comic books are from the 60's and forward. A truckload of sci-fi ideas were introduced in the Valerian series before any other. Many sci-fi artists and movie makers have been influenced by him, and producers have hired him for conceptual art (like Fifth Element for instance).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Valerian_Astroship.jpg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/a15532/heres-what-star-wars-took-from-valerian/

[url]http://www.europecomics.com/a-model-for-star-wars/


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Interesting. When I first saw Amidala's ship in Episode 1: TPM , I thought it just looked like that sleek imperial courier from Elite2: Frontier and FFE! I was waiting to see if the engine nacelles would extend out and start rotating with their pointy tips, but they never did.

I'd read some bio book about Lucas and Star Wars where Lucas said he researched into fantasy and sci-fi for developing his scripts which also included looking into LordOfTheRings. Then "Darth Vader" ~ skeletal looking ringwraiths, with the heavy breathing at the shire tree came to mind. Hobbity like jawas, glowing eyes like the orcs from the laughable Ralph Bakshi LOTR rotoscoped versions. Also the Death Star surface kind of like the dark country of Mordor big enough to be a city or world by itself with all it's internal crevasses, pits and cliffs albeit spacestructure instead of natural, Luke using his rope ~ Frodo and Sam using the elven rope in the terrain, and the mission to dump the deus ex blow everything up at the pinpoint of "Mt. Doom" ~ reactor exhaust port to drop a proton torpedoes in. And you literally see the torpedoes change course and "drop" into the port. And the early scripts of magical like rings of force power, later changed to kyber lightsaber crystals.

edit: more I'd forgotten: Luke's and Uncle Ben and Aunt Owen's hobbity looking half underground domicile home. Tusken Raiders/"Sandmen" & Banthas ~ Southrons and the Oliphaunts.
Luke woken up and saved by Obi-wan, the later a respite in Obi-wan's domicile ~ Tom Bombadill's home trip.
Luke and Obiwan meeting with Han and Chewie at Mos Eisley ~ meetings at the inn, and Rivendale, formation of the "team", ultimate goal to abscond with the plans eventually to drop proton torpedoes into the "doom"/deathstar center.
Luke and crew "barely escape" ~ Frodo and Sam still escape from being captive in Mordor for a while.
Inside of the Massasi temples similar to dwarven underground city caverns.
Outside foliage, with treetop scouts ~ Lothlorian woods or Bilbo on top of the Mirkwood trees.
(ROTJ and the two Ewok adventure TV-movies & "Willow" . blatant copycat of hobbity protagonists in general)
 
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hopefully the OP was not being serious. I suspect is more of a convergent evolution kind of thing.
Yeah. I don't think he/she was.

ichthyosaurus looks a lot like a dolphin despite having no relation to each other at all.

Equally, the designers probably sat down and thought, I want to design a futuristic vessel which has certain recognisable characteristics from stuff we have today - which is the same thought process behind some of the elite dangerous ships - and therefore came up with similar designs independantly.
I should check my comic book (I have a print of the actually Valerian book, so perhaps it's already in there).

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Dang. No it's not. Could be in another one though. I don't know how many books there are in total, I only have 16 of them. Should take pictures of some of the ships in them. Mezieres have such a creative and unique mind for sci-fi. Even the stories are insane.
 
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Interesting. When I first saw Amidala's ship in Episode 1: TPM , I thought it just looked like that sleek imperial courier from Elite2: Frontier and FFE! I was waiting to see if the engine nacelles would extend out and start rotating with their pointy tips, but they never did.

I'd read some bio book about Lucas and Star Wars where he said he researched into fantasy and sci-fi for developing his scripts which also included looking into LOTR. Then "Darh Vader" ~ skeletal looking ringwraiths, with the heavy breathing at the shire tree came to mind. Hobbity like jawas, glowing eyes like the orcs from the laughable Ralph Bakshi LOTR rotoscoped versions. Also the Death Star surface kind of like the dark country of Mordor big enough to be a city or world by itself with all it's internal crevasses, pits and cliffs albeit spacestructure instead of natural, Luke using his rope ~ Frodo and Sam using the elven rope in the terrain, and the mission to dump the deus ex blow everything up at the pinpoint of "Mt. Doom" ~ reactor exhaust port to drop a proton torpedoes in. And you literally see the torpedoes change course and "drop" into the port. And the early scripts of magical like rings of force power, later changed to kyber lightsaber crystals.
The truth is that there's almost no original ideas anymore. Eventually, everything must be variations of something already done. Just like books. The stories are repeats, but with some new context or new mix, but essentially the same.
 
Saw the movie this weekend. Mildly disappointed. I WANTED to love it. I really did.

There were lots of cool bits, lots of great scenery. But all it took was one line and you could immediately label any character : Bad Guy, Hero, Princess, comic relief.. Also, like a Bond film, you were never worried about the main character. "Oh, interesting. Wonder how he gets out of that" ? When the main characters were in mortal danger, I was as worried about them as the main characters seemed to be, not very. The whole love story was kind of silly, IMO. So many plot points were telegraphed it killed any suspense.

There were a dozen things that were REALLY cool ideas. None were followed up on. They took huge pains to point out back story points, even mentioning things several times.. and yet, nothing came of it. Cool villains vowed to hunt down and kill the main characters.. only to never be mentioned again. And huge plot holes/contradictions.

I think it would have been better served as a series of 15 minute 'shorts'.

Not even sure it passed the Saturday Afternoon test : If you were walking by the TV on Saturday after noon, and this movie was on, would you sit down and watch it ? Even for a few minutes ? MMmmmm. No.. Movies that passed this test for me : Pacific Rim, Blade Runner, Big Trouble in Little China...

Visually : A++
Characters : C+
Story : D
 
Visually : A++
Characters : C+
Story : D

Hard to believe that the guy who played Jim Gordon in the Nolan Batman films was the main antagonist (reminded me of holo-me) sans beard and glasses in the director of Valerian's earlier comical space goof, "The Fifth Element".
 
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No. It is not good. At all.

Call it a rental and save yourself the hassle of going to the cinema.
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Have you even watched it? Your statement very much makes me doubt that.

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The movie very much met and exceeded my expectations for it. I mean, it's a Luc Besson movie, and it is very much what he is renowned for. Sure the story is nothing special. Sure the lovestory part is predictable, but isn't it in all movies? For the story outside of the love part, yes, there are some logical flaws, but again, logic is not what Besson is famous for. It's not a superawesome special story, but for what it's worth, it's solid enough to entertain.
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And here comes the other part: visualy and presentation. This is one of the few movies which really profits a lot from the big screen. This one really is meant to be watched in the cinema, any smaller screen will take away from it. And also as a sidenote: it's the first movie since a long time i watched, where the 3D was done technically well. You can philosophize if 3D adds much to the movie or not. In my eyes, it helps the atmosphere, so in my personal book, it's the second movie made in 3D where the technology was worth it. And btw. the first one where i consider 3D to be a valuable addition is not Avatar, it is Sanctum. Avatar was a nice technology study (albeit with a very mediocre story), but 3D didn't add more to it that the "Wow, this can be done?" effect.
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Btw, another sidenote on "3D was done technically well": there recently were a number of seemingly low budget productions, where they could not afford to film them in proper 3D, but rather use 2D and just rework them to 3D in the computer. A prime example for that was Rogue One. I guess the Star Wars franchise just is too weak, it doesn't make enough money so they have to cut corners? (Sorry for the sarcasm, but how else to react to low quality on such a moneymaker? ) What i mean is: in that movie it's very obvious that it was filmed in 2D and then reworked. DUring dialogues i sometimes had the feeling of watching a cutscene in GW2. The actors were taken out of the background and brought to different distances, but of course their facial features were mot modelled. (That'd be more effort than to actually do the movie in proper 3D. ) So for somebody who paid enough attention it very much felt like cardboard cutouts were talking to each other. The same effect was not observeable to me in Valerian.
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Anyway, it seems like Valerian shares the same fate as The Fifth Element, the other big SF movie of Luc Besson: having awesome visuals and screenplay, while only bringing an average plot, it made and destined for the big screen of cinemas. Despite that, it just like the The Fifth Element starts out with being not well received. Now 20 years later The Fifth Element is seen as a great movie, despite many of those who now love its visuals never even saw them on the big screen, where they are even better than on any home device. I predict that Valerian will end up with the same reputation, so everybody now missing it in the cinema got nobody but himself to blame for only seeing the watered down smaller screen version.
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