Damn thanks man i'll definantly check it out. Time to start that grind
Damn thanks man i'll definantly check it out. Time to start that grind
What's the biggest difference you can expect to find between the Viper and the Vulture? I'm on the fence and just got enough money to afford either plus some upgrades. (no engineering yet, I just started playing and only learned what that was yesterday!)
Non-engineered I'll take a FAS over a Vulture anyday. Twice on Sundays. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. More firepower and the PP/PD to back it up. Very maneuverable, especially once you learn how to fly it in combat. This is just one person's opinion though.
Any decent pilot can take out most NPC ships one-on-one, with maybe the exception of Deadly or Elite rated ones, as those can be engineered, and if you are not, some can be a handful. I had to start unlocking engineers as my rank increased as I was starting to get interdicted by larger/more powerful ships and I wanted the option to turn and fight once in a while.
Now when you want to start taking on a wing of three FDLs, Pythons, or Clippers (or a wing of Elite condas) in a CNB, you might want a slightly bigger ship and/or engineering. I don't care how good a pilot you are, if you are driving a non-engineered anything short of the big three, a wing of FDLs, FGSs, or Pythons will eat your lunch if you are brave enough to stick around. Of course I had to try though...
Well of course, but he isnt there yet as far as credits and ranking up. Which is why i recommended the vulture. The FAS is 6x the entry price of the vulture, and requires some grinding to unlock it. Hell, im not even there, i just unlocked sol a few weeks ago. The vulture is a great ship to use for BH, REZ, and CZs. Small ship, large shields, and large guns. Strictly for space fighting.
The vulture hits harder is stronger and has two large weapons, and has better maneuvering thrusters/turn rate. If you can afford the vulture plus bits and rebuy you don't really need the viper.
If you can't quite afford it consider the DBS same weapons as a viper slightly weaker shields IIRC, but the hardpoints are positioned better it also moves and turns faster.
If you can't quite afford it consider the DBS same weapons as a viper slightly weaker shields IIRC, but the hardpoints are positioned better it also moves and turns faster.
The viper is a good small fighting ship. relatively cheap too. But the vulture is the largest of the small fighting ship. Is it strictly fitting for fighting. large shields, largest guns for a small ship. But the power plant and fuel tank reminds you that this is a small ship. Whenever i do any combat missions, i travel to that system, and then i have my vulture delivered there VIA a station shipyard. Dont have space for a fuel scoop. It can chew through any small ship without a problem. But someone did say that the vulture does have a glass jaw. The cockpit is very fragile. So you cant just stay still and try to be a tank, you have to stay mobile, and try to get on the targets tail. The vulture is the ship that made me fall in love with space combat.
When fighting bigger ships, i play it smart. If an anaconda or fdl is harassing me, i take it to a REZ or nav beacon where there are security forces there to assist me. Cowards way, but oh well..
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I'd suggest using the Viper as a starter BH ship as it's a lot cheaper to replace than a Vulture, no matter how long you've played this game knowing when to bug out can be a fine line between that last bounty and seeing the rebuy screen.
The Vulture is incredibly agile even with unengineered parts but it suffers from power limitations (fixed by some engineering) that will impact weapon choice, it's a very powerful ship that when engineered can have solid shields and a variety of weapon loadouts and excellent agility, expect to spend around 20 mil on a high spec Vulture
The Viper has plenty of speed but it's agility is average, however it's one of the smaller jump capable ships and that make it harder to hit so put together a decent Viper build and go make some credits! expect to spend around 2 mil on a high spec Viper 3.
Yea, got a little carried away with my enthusiasm. I forgot about the ranking part, and the extra cost of the FAS.
I do almost all of my BHing in my vette now. To me, it IS fun to just drop into a haz res or CNB and just kill everything in sight, until there is nothing left. Wait for the next spawn, repeat. Some folks like to play with their prey a bit more and that's OK. And who knows, I may eventually go back and build another FAS just for fun but right now I'm enjoying my 'overkill'.
But you're right, it is quite the grind to get to this guy. It's not for everyone.
I have a cobra III right now, I get some kills but I get killed sometimes too in high rez extraction sites. Would you say a Viper would be better to use while working towards a Vulture? I can sell my Cobra for around 4+ million right now
Hmm can't give an accurate advice on Cobra versus Viper since I didn't fly them, but I can say for sure that you shouldn't be dying in a RES. Don't get greedy and lean when to simply full pip the engine and boost away from the asteroid belt and low wake away once you hear the mass unlocked ping.
Edit: another suggestion is, if you're sure nobody is chasing you anymore, go to your bottom right menu (Systems Panel) -> Functions -> Reboot/Repair.
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You should not get killed in a high res site. Don't take on ships by yourself. Let the local police open fire on someone, THEN you join in. If the NPC notices you and starts concentrating his fire on you, boost away. Then come back. His attention will quickly go back to those who are damaging him the most. You can then come back and re-engage.
As I was trying to learn how to fly and fight at the same time when I got to high res sites, I would find a NPC that was being attacked by the police and simply try to stay behind him. It's not as simple as it sounds, or at least it wasn't that simple to me. When the NPC gets down on integrity, shoot him to get the bounty.
I used high res sites to learn to fly better, not just make credits. When you're ready, you can dip your toe into the haz res pond. There is no help there, and you're own your own.
These are all just suggestions of course, but you need to learn when to back off while you're still flying in the high res sites. Once you figure out when it's time to boost away for another day, you will see fewer rebuy screens when you jump into the haz res sites.
thanks for the info!! Can you explain what you mean by 'low wake' ? I can probably guess what that means, but guessing isn't gonna save me if i'm wrong
You should not get killed in a high res site. Don't take on ships by yourself. Let the local police open fire on someone, THEN you join in. If the NPC notices you and starts concentrating his fire on you, boost away. Then come back. His attention will quickly go back to those who are damaging him the most. You can then come back and re-engage.
As I was trying to learn how to fly and fight at the same time when I got to high res sites, I would find a NPC that was being attacked by the police and simply try to stay behind him. It's not as simple as it sounds, or at least it wasn't that simple to me. When the NPC gets down on integrity, shoot him to get the bounty.
I used high res sites to learn to fly better, not just make credits. When you're ready, you can dip your toe into the haz res pond. There is no help there, and you're own your own.
These are all just suggestions of course, but you need to learn when to back off while you're still flying in the high res sites. Once you figure out when it's time to boost away for another day, you will see fewer rebuy screens when you jump into the haz res sites.
I was actually making money finding a Wanted pilot, then instead of waiting a month for the feds to show, I would get them between myself and the point I jumped in at (where cops most often are flying around) and I would shoot them. Then as they turned around to aim at me, i would boost past them forcing them to waste more time while i got away, I would then dive away till i saw cops on the radar and try to get them the guy to chase me towards the cops. Every once in a while I just couldnt find feds AND they didn't stop chasing me and i would go down pretty quick.
I'm brand new at this game in the past week, so i'm sure there's a better way to do it, but that is really fun for me for some reason!
thanks for the info!! Can you explain what you mean by 'low wake' ? I can probably guess what that means, but guessing isn't gonna save me if i'm wrong
There are two modes to your FDL. One is Super Cruise (or low wake) that is used to travel in-system to get from planet to planet. The other is used to jump from star system to star system (high-wake). You can engage SC any time you are not mass-locked by a ship, planet, or station. No destination required. To high-wake takes a destination picked in the galaxy map
thanks for the info!! Can you explain what you mean by 'low wake' ? I can probably guess what that means, but guessing isn't gonna save me if i'm wrong
Low wake is using your FrameShift Drive to enter SuperCruise, meaning, traveling in-system. High wake is using it to travel to different star systems. In order to low wake you don't need a target destination, only hit the FSD button then max thruster. You can't be mass locked though.
Thanks I was wondering what the those things were that get left floating around sometimes.
If you fit a wake scanner in your ship, you can scan those things and acquire data. Which can be used in Engineering upgrades.
I think you might have just saved me a lot of time, thanks
Also be smart, dont fight ships which can outpower your ship. Or npcs thats ranked dangerous and above. Your ship is a good entry fighter, but still paper weight. Hold on to that cobra right now. For the vulture, you will still need to spend money on the hardpoints, shields, and armor.
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