Was it worth spending over 1000 Australian Dollarydoos on stuff for Elite?

Short answer? Absolutely not. This is the work of a crazy person.

Long answer? Welllll...

I bought a Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, TFRP pedals, SteelSeries Arctis 7 headphones and two EDTrackers recently (yes, two EDTrackers. I'll get to that in a bit).

The reality is that if I wasn't going to use the TM Warthog setup primarily for DCS, I'd have gotten by just fine with my XBone controller in Elite. The extra switches on the throttle unit are handy to have though. Could I have gotten by with a Logitech / Saitek X56 or X55 for Elite instead? Most likely yes, but I have read mixed reviews.

I had massive buyers guilt between completing the online order and the arrival of the HOTAS package. So expensive. That all disappeared very quickly after opening the thing and getting it set up. I'm so glad I bought it now. I don't think I could get by without the pedals though if I was only playing Elite - the Warthog has no twist to yaw on the stick and using yaw into roll in ED's settings feels... weird. Subjective, of course. YMMV. Getting around the setup software for binding switches etc was also a learning curve at first. I haven't even bothered looking at the scripting language yet. It does look useful though.

Check out ObsidianAnts video review if you're curious about the Warthog HOTAS build quality and seeing it in action in Elite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=530deMgrchk

Arctis 7 headset is great. I love it. I needed a new headset to use with the PC and wanted wireless. Very comfortable for extended use. Sound quality from the microphone over Discord is apparently quite good.

Now. Onto the EDTracker(s).

I am CMDR Nate Lee and I fully endorse this product and/or service.

I ordered the DIY kit from Hobby Components in the UK, who shipped it very quickly via Royal Mail, who promptly "lost" it at Heathrow. The package was MIA on the track-and-trace for weeks, so I ordered the new wireless Pro unit from the EDTracker website thinking the DIY kit was lost forever. 2 days later the DIY kit showed up in the mail. Go figure. Guess I'll have two head trackers now when the wireless one shows up. Oh well. For what it's worth, the people I contacted at both Hobby Components and EDTracker were very helpful with enquiries. :) [up]

After putting it together the thing was a huge pain in the rear to get working right. It was... disappointing. After much tooling around and adding Opentrack to the mix it refused to work smoothly. It would have random pauses while turning my head on the yaw axis before snapping back 5-10 degrees in the opposite direction when I stopped turning my head. These steps and pauses were also showing up on the graph in the EDTracker UI after a dozen or more attempts at calibration, so I assumed I had a bad gyro. *Sad trombone sound*

So, with one last ditch, frustrated effort at calibration, I decided to completely ignore the relevant instructions in Brumsters setup video, leave the thing strapped to my head on my shiny new Arctis 7s, then run the calibration while violently swinging my head around in huge angry circles like a maniac. I did not have a nice neat sphere on the calibration display as I was supposed to (and had previously). What I had was some weird, flattened 3/4 dome shape on screen, a sore neck and beer spilled all over the floor.

But it works now. Flawlessly. Pretty sure I pulled a muscle in the side of my neck - I totally over-calibrated. Whatever. Hopefully the wireless one isn't that big a hassle when it arrives.

The EDTracker is amazing, especially considering its price. I disabled the roll axis functionality in Opentrack as I found I was getting a headache while it was enabled. Pitch and Yaw works just fine for me. Setting up the sensitivity curves in Opentrack was trial and error, but once I found settings I was comfortable with it was great. I'd never go back to Elite (or any flight sim for that matter) without it. I forget it's even there now. Immersion Factor 10. I'd recommend use Opentrack as well though - it has some nifty tools for getting the most out of the unit.

You should go buy one. Today.

But maybe don't spend 1000 AUD on the other things I did. Not *just* for Elite.

UPDATE: While attempting to unplug the USB cable from the EDTracker, the plug pulled the socket off the Arduino board. The cable was very firmly stuck and just didn't seem to want to unplug, so I applied a little extra pressure and cracked the solder attachments.

Be CAREFUL connecting and disconnecting your USB cable. I'd heard rumours these connectors were fragile. Seems possible, especially with a tight fitting USB plug.
 
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Now divide what you spent by the number of hours you've played so far? (If that doesn't satisfy, do it again one year from now and again the year after that?).

While these things are all relative, I expect you got some good value for money.
How much is a trip to the movies again?

Personally I dream of a Warthog HOTAS set up, that piece of kit really does look worth it, especially if it wears well and good engineering usually does. (Buy cheap, buy twice).

Anyway, you haven't mentioned VR yet!? :D
 
+Rep.

Elite is more than a game, it is what we make of it for ourselves!

Agreed, thanks for the rep o7

Now divide what you spent by the number of hours you've played so far? (If that doesn't satisfy, do it again one year from now and again the year after that?).

While these things are all relative, I expect you got some good value for money.
How much is a trip to the movies again?

Personally I dream of a Warthog HOTAS set up, that piece of kit really does look worth it, especially if it wears well and good engineering usually does. (Buy cheap, buy twice).

Anyway, you haven't mentioned VR yet!? :D

You raise a good point with the dollars per hour thing. I hadn't thought of it like that. I suspect it will wear well, it feels sturdy, very satisfying "clack" from buttons and switches. Hope you manage to grab one eventually!

And yeah, a Vive is on my hit list, but that's 1400 AUD I'm not convinced I should spend just yet!! :D
 
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Only 1000 AUD? peanuts, when we are talking custom build HOTAS, pedals +more we can talk, but anyways I agree :D
 
I love the whole ecosystem that has sprung up around ED.

From the most excellent EdTracker, to the Web tools and CMDR's trading tools.

For control surfaces take a look at Roccat PowerGrid as well, it's very handy for abstracting the keyboard, and free.... assuming you have a suitable tablet or phone available.
 
+1 for the reference to the classic Simpsons episode. To this day I still like to believe that all Australian PMs spent their spare time floating on a lake in a rubber ring drinking Fosters. Yep, even Gillard.
 
Actually you've just bridged the gap of "casual" to "enthusiast" if we were talking about any other hobby and nowadays gaming is actually that. We have highly competitive titles with spectators, deep immersion stuff, survival, you name it, so to me investing in things that increase your experience or immersion (especially when its hardware and not a single title purchase or something) makes the MOST sense. Like Bran said, I've played 1000 hours of this game so far, that's a lot of value I've gotten so far and can only imagine how much more impactful each hour spent would feel if I had further invested.

My other hobbys are woodworking and motorcycles so gaming is easily my cheapest hobby, but one I can generally do without spending money EVERY time I do it (unlike the other two which cost materials, consumables, etc)

We need to stop being embarrassed to call gaming a hobby because of how people that don't get it (which is most people) react. My friends have told me I was insane to build an $1800 computer because I could buy a laptop for a couple hundred bucks, but they have $2000 worth of tattoos on their body and another $10k into their car. No dude, its not stupid, it just isn't YOUR hobby.......
 
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You know the Oculus rift is on sale, right? You know you want to...

*from fellow /Warthog/ED that also uses Track IR (though not ED Tracker).

Z...
 
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I've spent quite a bit on ED, but not nearly as much as OP. I love my wired, prebuilt EDTracker. I have VoiceAttack with an HCS Voicepack and a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro joystick with throttle. Including Horizons, paintjobs, colored lasers, etc. I've spent less than 17 cents per hour in this game. That's cheap entertainment.

That does not include a 3D monitor and NVidia LCD shutter glasses, which was a gift.
 
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Boys and toys.

I used to be like that in the stone age of the 286 CPU, then 386, Pentiums and so on.

Now, not so much. Mind You I still have a decent PC but some of you gentlemen make me look like I use a bone and rock.

Nevertheless, I do enjoy ED, it's the only game I play.

Good luck and enjoy your toys.
 
Short answer? Absolutely not. This is the work of a crazy person.

Long answer? Welllll...

I bought a Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, TFRP pedals, SteelSeries Arctis 7 headphones and two EDTrackers recently (yes, two EDTrackers. I'll get to that in a bit).

The reality is that if I wasn't going to use the TM Warthog setup primarily for DCS, I'd have gotten by just fine with my XBone controller in Elite. The extra switches on the throttle unit are handy to have though. Could I have gotten by with a Logitech / Saitek X56 or X55 for Elite instead? Most likely yes, but I have read mixed reviews.

I had massive buyers guilt between completing the online order and the arrival of the HOTAS package. So expensive. That all disappeared very quickly after opening the thing and getting it set up. I'm so glad I bought it now. I don't think I could get by without the pedals though if I was only playing Elite - the Warthog has no twist to yaw on the stick and using yaw into roll in ED's settings feels... weird. Subjective, of course. YMMV. Getting around the setup software for binding switches etc was also a learning curve at first. I haven't even bothered looking at the scripting language yet. It does look useful though.

Check out ObsidianAnts video review if you're curious about the Warthog HOTAS build quality and seeing it in action in Elite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=530deMgrchk

Arctis 7 headset is great. I love it. I needed a new headset to use with the PC and wanted wireless. Very comfortable for extended use. Sound quality from the microphone over Discord is apparently quite good.

Now. Onto the EDTracker(s).

I am CMDR Nate Lee and I fully endorse this product and/or service.

I ordered the DIY kit from Hobby Components in the UK, who shipped it very quickly via Royal Mail, who promptly "lost" it at Heathrow. The package was MIA on the track-and-trace for weeks, so I ordered the new wireless Pro unit from the EDTracker website thinking the DIY kit was lost forever. 2 days later the DIY kit showed up in the mail. Go figure. Guess I'll have two head trackers now when the wireless one shows up. Oh well. For what it's worth, the people I contacted at both Hobby Components and EDTracker were very helpful with enquiries. :) [up]

After putting it together the thing was a huge pain in the rear to get working right. It was... disappointing. After much tooling around and adding Opentrack to the mix it refused to work smoothly. It would have random pauses while turning my head on the yaw axis before snapping back 5-10 degrees in the opposite direction when I stopped turning my head. These steps and pauses were also showing up on the graph in the EDTracker UI after a dozen or more attempts at calibration, so I assumed I had a bad gyro. *Sad trombone sound*

So, with one last ditch, frustrated effort at calibration, I decided to completely ignore the relevant instructions in Brumsters setup video, leave the thing strapped to my head on my shiny new Arctis 7s, then run the calibration while violently swinging my head around in huge angry circles like a maniac. I did not have a nice neat sphere on the calibration display as I was supposed to (and had previously). What I had was some weird, flattened 3/4 dome shape on screen, a sore neck and beer spilled all over the floor.

But it works now. Flawlessly. Pretty sure I pulled a muscle in the side of my neck - I totally over-calibrated. Whatever. Hopefully the wireless one isn't that big a hassle when it arrives.

The EDTracker is amazing, especially considering its price. I disabled the roll axis functionality in Opentrack as I found I was getting a headache while it was enabled. Pitch and Yaw works just fine for me. Setting up the sensitivity curves in Opentrack was trial and error, but once I found settings I was comfortable with it was great. I'd never go back to Elite (or any flight sim for that matter) without it. I forget it's even there now. Immersion Factor 10. I'd recommend use Opentrack as well though - it has some nifty tools for getting the most out of the unit.

You should go buy one. Today.

But maybe don't spend 1000 AUD on the other things I did. Not *just* for Elite.

Dollarydoos.....as an Aussie (eh cobber?) I never get tired of hearing that term :D.
 
The Simpsons was right? You really call them dollarydoos? Everything on tv is true?!
[video=youtube_share;-w3iPFl-cfI]https://youtu.be/-w3iPFl-cfI[/video]
 
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