At least in SC every system is THE starter system... and that PvP slider will really help... oh sorry that got dropped too? I sense a pattern here...
Star Citizen Thread v6
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I am curious and confused here - since you appear to be much more informed about these things can you tell me which bits of Star citizen's tech are several years ahead of what can be done on the latest consoles?
I don't necessarily mean which things are there not currently examples of, I mean what's literally not possible?
Nope. It isn't 'years ahead' of anything. It is years late....
It seems that Almighty Bob doesn't understand the difference between making a prediction (which self-evidently isn't a fact, since it hasn't happened when the prediction is made) and knowingly making a factually incorrect statement about past events. The former cannot possibly be a lie, even if it is wrong, whereas the latter certainly can.
X-Rebirth is about to get a VR version too, and if i see it correctly they will sell it seperatly with full price but i dont know if you can get a free version when you already own X-Rebirth.
The mods certainly deserve our thanks, not just for what they do here, but for their work in general: we are an argumentative bunch at the best of times...
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Have any of you folks bought and/or flew the Caterpillar? If so, did you really like it and what do you plan to do with it?
Star Citizen was never ever announced or promoted as a VR Game, Supporting VR is very different thing than making a VR Game.
If players don't understand that it's not because CIG was "sketchy" is because, once again, they made unfounded assumptions based on wrong expectations.
The very first time VR was mentioned in a Stretch Goal was back in the middle of 2013 with the 12$millions mark and what was mentioned was, and I quote:
"The Hangar Module will feature Oculus Rift Support."
[video=youtube;6-3mK2lqBZo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3mK2lqBZo[/video]
Way before the game design turned into the all encompassing seamless play with ships, fps, eva, planetary landings in a mmo universe setting.
Go watch the Chris Roberts interviews about VR, he always mentioned Supporting VR and not making Star Citizen as a VR Game.
He always mentioned supporting it that he loved the idea of "sitting in the cockpit with a hotas and be fully immersed".
[video=youtube;d3sRp8qNDhY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3sRp8qNDhY&feature=youtu.be&t=1m[/video]
Seen ~1min mark.
There's no mentioning whatsoever, ever of making Star Citizen a VR game, of designing it around VR or making any kind of compromises to animations or gameplay to accommodate VR.
What was always mentioned is supporting it in a fixed environment like Arena Commander where all you do is fly a spaceship. That's it. People need to fully understand and be accountable for their own expectations about what is being presented to them. There's hype and there is reality based expectations, I't understandable that sometimes one let's itself carried away with excitement and imagine beyond what was actually said.
With that said, just because Star Citizen is not being made to be a VR Game it doesn't mean it can't support VR on the long run or that it's dev's are not thinking about it when designing it. Forced animations are only a concern if you think that VR should be used for "everything" Star Citizen. How many MMORPG's support VR? Not many, there's Orbus VR a VR mmorpg Game, look it up for the fun of it.
VR makes all the Sense for Star Citizen in the way Chris Roberts mentioned it several times. Arena Commander, you as a pilot, hotas and sitting on a ship dogfighting/racing etc. Might even get it to work in a Racing Module map.
As for performance issues, already talked about optimization is an ongoing process but mostly is left out to later stages when all systems are in place. Engine is very scalable so there's room for lowering the gfx to push the FPS to a bearable VR state. As for UI and Game design options it's all about having the time and man-power to make them, which being a Chris Roberts dream I'm sure he will make sure to have.
I guess Me, Valve and Sony are "silly" then:
http://store.steampowered.com/vr/
https://www.playstation.com/explore/playstation-vr/games/
BTW Elite is not a VR Game but a game that supports VR. Extremely well I might add.
No it really wasn't. And it's not being spinning words, it's being being thorough and realistic.
You even bolded the part where it confirms it - "we are fully committed to supporting the Rift."
Which is very different from saying "We are fully committed to make it a VR game"
Again that just confirms what I showed above. Attention to the mentioning of words like "support" and "sit in the cockpit".
Detect VR - When forced animations cue Add Fade to black - Camera view from the top (Jesus Cam) - Fade to Black - Sitting on Cockpit.
Just a simple solution without going into much work.
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Positively Spicerian!
You're not going to be able to edit history and retract half a decade of Chris Roberts' lies. You're not going to manage to pretend he wasn't sitting next to Palmer Luckey gushing about VR. (EDIT: Geez, which one of those slabs of garbage proved to be more of a disappointment?)
You're not going to manage to edit out all the Kickstarter promises, sorry.
This ridiculous VR support/VR game thing doesn't exist anywhere except in your head. Stop wasting people's time with that nonsense or pretending it matters to anyone except someone desperately trying to clean up Chris' messes. It's absolutely preposterous! Obviously nobody expected Star Citizen to be a VR-only game. We just believed that mumbling mushmouth when he claimed it would work with the Rift.
Maybe if Chris didn't lie for years about it I wouldn't have wasted my money on this pathetic farce. A shame nobody bothered to tell him it wasn't going to be a VR game back in 2012. I do hope he takes up this weak line of defense, it would be amusing to see him pull that along with the usual hand gestures.
You're not going to be able to edit history and retract half a decade of Chris Roberts' lies. You're not going to manage to pretend he wasn't sitting next to Palmer Luckey gushing about VR. (EDIT: Geez, which one of those slabs of garbage proved to be more of a disappointment?)
You're not going to manage to edit out all the Kickstarter promises, sorry.
This ridiculous VR support/VR game thing doesn't exist anywhere except in your head. Stop wasting people's time with that nonsense or pretending it matters to anyone except someone desperately trying to clean up Chris' messes. It's absolutely preposterous! Obviously nobody expected Star Citizen to be a VR-only game. We just believed that mumbling mushmouth when he claimed it would work with the Rift.
Maybe if Chris didn't lie for years about it I wouldn't have wasted my money on this pathetic farce. A shame nobody bothered to tell him it wasn't going to be a VR game back in 2012. I do hope he takes up this weak line of defense, it would be amusing to see him pull that along with the usual hand gestures.
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I'd rather you didn't make this personal and focus on the subject.
I think I explained my stance thoroughly and provided plenty of words to base my opinion, I even have the video you mention of Chris Roberts "sitting next to Palmer Luckey gushing about VR" linked in the quote. (*I'll put it into embed video for better visibility).
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The only role I'll play on another's ship is fighter pilot. I tried turret play in SC and in ED and just knowing that, at any moment of my choosing, I could be flying my own ship with full control is enough to turn me off crew play.
In my experience, I concluded that only a soldier without the skill or authority of a commander would choose to be manning a turret, typing away at a console, or holding tight as a marine.
To each their own, but in my opinion, crew roles become tired in the long (sometimes, short)-run unless they have complex interactions that go well beyond combat.
In my experience, I concluded that only a soldier without the skill or authority of a commander would choose to be manning a turret, typing away at a console, or holding tight as a marine.
To each their own, but in my opinion, crew roles become tired in the long (sometimes, short)-run unless they have complex interactions that go well beyond combat.
No matter which way you try and spin it, CR directly said that VR would work in SC, and quite a lot of people would have backed based on that "promise".
As far as I can see I'm not "spinning" anything. There's plenty of sources of what was mentioned.
CR said that Star Citizen would support VR, supporting it means making it work.
Star Citizen is currently in active development, VR support will come when they decide it's time to support VR.
Again, a moot point.
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Have some rep. Great article explains even my own earlier blind spots so well. "Muh feeling's" have poo for brains some times yet I could find tons of rational arguments despite evidence to the contrary.
Nonsesne. You just don't believe in the Genuine Roberts VR Vision for Star Citizen.
Underpanted Commandos will wait in line to experience the Coffee Machine Barista Supreme gameplay elements, where touch controllers and fidelity enable the creation of frothy caffeinated beverages in an immersive VR environment, or the bare-knuckle gritty mission-focused Lulzmop and Lulzbucket sanitary enforcement gameplay that is so central to Org enablement.
VR will be so real in Star Citizen, so gameplay enhancing and so compelling, that if you don't have it you may as well be staring at a monitor all day.
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Just caught up with this topic as I've been away/travelling, and I must say, if you support CIG to this extent it is pathetic.
I'm only in for a hundred or so bucks, and I'll hang in there but even the most crazed stalwarts must be doubtful now no?
- they're going to miss Gamescom for 3.0 to most backers - that's a YEAR since the Sandworm was definitely coming in December.....
- we still can't play ANY of what was promised - there is no meaningful game loop
- planetary scale compared with something like ED is not "planetary scale"
- where are the 100 systems
I could go on but it's too depressing.
Recently I've seen people wait in line for 200 minutes for the latest Avatar ride at Disney (which is great btw), only for it to be cancelled due to weather. This strikes me (hah hah, pun intended) as familiar - many people saying it's going to be awesome when it hasn't even been released yet, when what we have (which I do have before you criticise) is quite frankly generic and mediocre.
IMHO, CR needs to front up at Gamescom, explain the delays, show something which ISN'T on rails, and no more cash grab concept sales. But I imagine they'll show a scripted scenario and bookend it with "want to know more? $1000" nonsense.
I'm only in for a hundred or so bucks, and I'll hang in there but even the most crazed stalwarts must be doubtful now no?
- they're going to miss Gamescom for 3.0 to most backers - that's a YEAR since the Sandworm was definitely coming in December.....
- we still can't play ANY of what was promised - there is no meaningful game loop
- planetary scale compared with something like ED is not "planetary scale"
- where are the 100 systems
I could go on but it's too depressing.
Recently I've seen people wait in line for 200 minutes for the latest Avatar ride at Disney (which is great btw), only for it to be cancelled due to weather. This strikes me (hah hah, pun intended) as familiar - many people saying it's going to be awesome when it hasn't even been released yet, when what we have (which I do have before you criticise) is quite frankly generic and mediocre.
IMHO, CR needs to front up at Gamescom, explain the delays, show something which ISN'T on rails, and no more cash grab concept sales. But I imagine they'll show a scripted scenario and bookend it with "want to know more? $1000" nonsense.
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